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wat a day
      #230758 - 12/11/05 11:45 AM
jenix

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hi all,
havent been able to post for a few days as ii had trouble getting onto the site - anyway had a really bad day today in the ibs department - i think ive been about 4 times today - i dont think the roast dinner my mum cooked helped much on that especially on an empty stomach - but hey i guess tomorrows another day - plus the fact my partner loves red meat and is finding eating with me a bit of a chore - does anyone have any suggestions ?

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Any Better Jenix? *DELETED* new
      #230768 - 12/11/05 12:19 PM
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Eating rituals as bonding time new
      #230770 - 12/11/05 12:26 PM
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Sharing meals with you should hardly be a chore.

Meals are about the ritual of sharing time and space where food is consumed. There's more to eating together than just the food, although nutritional input is a good thing to stay energized.

Like Bevrs said, there are other foods/styles to explore. Also, is it that hard to grill a steak and a piece of chicken or fish? Can you both share similar side dishes? It's easy to add separate proteins to stir-fries/pastas if desired.

There should be some way to please both. Can you compromise?

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Re: Eating rituals as bonding time new
      #230851 - 12/12/05 02:21 AM
jenix

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yes we probably could but i have to listen to all the teasing about everything being turkey based all the time. I think he just finds it hard to understand what all the red meat will actually do to me - i do a mean spagetti bolognaise with turkey mince and im sure he wouldnt tell the difference (noone else ever has) but its just the thought of it i think!

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Tell him to shut up and get a life! new
      #230853 - 12/12/05 02:25 AM
Linz

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He's lucky to not have this problem, but him teasing you isn't exactly going to help matters!

Grrr. Why can't we give people our DD's for a day/week/month so they can find out what it's REALLY like!

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in defense of people who should shut up and get a life new
      #230863 - 12/12/05 06:30 AM
jen1013

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It is HARD to live with someone who has a chronic condition. Even for those of us who are married -- yes, we said "in sickness and in health", but when most of us said it, we were perfectly healthy and were able to snarf down wedding cake. It's easy to say, then!

What's even harder is when the chronic condition is not visible AND, like with IBS, the symptoms are generally embarrassing enough that you don't want your spouse yakking about it. So, your poor spouse has to "cover" for you perpetually, and even if he tries his best, most people will end up thinking that you've decided to come down with a fashionable wasting disease so that you can loll around in a chaise lounge all day reading French novels and eating bonbons.

Guys, you aren't saints. I'm not a saint. So why do we expect our partners to be that way? Every time someone on here reports something insensitive that his/her significant other has said, a lot of us chime in castigating the poor guy, even though we don't know him. (And, sorry Linz, I'm not picking on you! It just happened to be the last post in the thread.) I know it's not easy to be us. But that doesn't mean it's easy to be them. In the vast majority of cases, IBS (or whatever we have) ends up drastically altering our lives. Let's use my wretched life as an example. We never did a ton of stuff together, but we would often on the spur of the moment decide to go out to eat at our favorite restaurant. Or, on Saturday we'd be kicking around home being bored and suddenly decide to go out to do some window-shopping and take in a movie.

Well, guess what? I can't do that stuff anymore. Haven't been able to do it for a long time. First off, no way can I do anything during the week. I'm too busy catching up on work I've missed because I'm sick. When I do stagger home, I'm exhausted. On the weekends, I'm often sick as well. How much fun is it to be with a woman who you often only interact with as a disembodied voice on the other side of the bathroom door?

And yes, marriage and life SHOULD be fun. We didn't get married because we felt the need for some somber responsibility. We got married because we love each other. And when you love someone, it isn't unreasonable to want to spend some enjoyable time together. With a chronic illness, this is tough. Yes, you can adapt somewhat -- there's lots of things you can do together at home. But, for instance, my husband has never been a homebody like I have. He likes to go out. Not necessarily to bars or restaurants, but he just likes to go places. We could drive up and down a road aimlessly and he'd be happy. My health has killed that one for us.

And yes, my husband has been wonderful about it. Overall. Yes, he'll occasionally mumble something about "never getting to do anything anymore". Maybe he'll complain, or sigh, or roll his eyes. That's fine. I don't expect him to be all chipper about it. I'M not all chipper about it. I'm not a saint. I whine. I feel sorry for myself. I complain. I accuse him of being uncaring.

We're human. We're all human. We all have our burdens. Ours is different, and ours is heavier. This doesn't mean that theirs weighs any less. We have no right to expect 100% understanding and compassion from anyone. If we have them, then we're fabulously lucky, but there are very few "right"s in this world.

My mother has a thyroid problem. It went undiagnosed for years and years and years. While I was growing up she was always being diagnosed with a different "invisible" ailment, like chronic fatigue syndrome, or fibro. My sisters and I were all healthy young kids. We couldn't understand. And because it seemed like the diagnosis was always changing and it was always something that, to us, seemed "weird", we never really did empathize. (Doesn't help that everyone would always say, "Oh, you mean one of those imaginary diseases?" when anyone mentioned it! ) So, much of my childhood and teen years, I felt mainly impatience more than anything else. Of course, now I do understand, and I do sympathize, and I can recognize how frustrating it was for her to chase down all these dead end diagnoses, but I don't think I'm a bad person because it was so hard for me to let go of trying to understand (because I never did) and just be there -- to help, and empathize, even if I didn't know what was going on.

And, I think when we expect our partners to automatically adjust -- to put up with everything, no matter what, with a smile -- we're being just as unfair to them as they may end up being to us. IT'S NOT EASY TO LIVE WITH SOMEONE WHO HAS A CHRONIC CONDITION. There is a lot THEY have to give up. There is a lot THEY have to deal with. We can't just say they have no right to their own troubles because ours are worse. This is just as tremendously unfeeling as what we're accusing them of.

I have a wonderful husband and I love him dearly. But he's not perfect. He has his less-than-compassionate moments. But so do I. So do we all. We need to learn to accept the times of non-acceptance.

At the same time, though -- yeah, someone who doesn't even try to understand? who keeps telling you it's all in your head? who says that the diet stuff is BS? yeah, that person has to go. (and what are you doing dating a gastroenterologist anyway??)

OK, sorry for the novel. Will go shuffle back off to the couch and think happy thoughts. Like two hours and forty-two minutes until my next pain pill.

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Well said, Jen new
      #230912 - 12/12/05 09:19 AM
AmandaPanda, J.D.

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I agree with you 100%. And, I MUST add, that you consistently crack me up ...
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(and what are you doing dating a gastroenterologist anyway??)





Is Vague Resignation anywhere near Manhattan? We could have so much fun together ...

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Okay, okay, I'm sorry! new
      #230929 - 12/12/05 09:46 AM
Linz

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You girls crack me up.

You caught me on a bad day. Can I apologise now?

I do get really fed up hearing about all these partners who complain about changing their diets to accomodate IBS safe food tho. Our food is YUMMY! AND HEALTHY! And it is NOT all turkey. But I do know we can be hard living with.

But anyway, I will admit to being really, really lucky to have a hubby who adores cooking and considers my various restrictions a challenge.

Sorry if I annoyed anyone!

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Vague Resignation new
      #230981 - 12/12/05 11:19 AM
jen1013

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is where you go when you realize you've been in Misery so long it's become mundane. I should change that, I am not really in Vague Resignation anymore. Have to figure out where I am first, though. Hmmm.

I live in Iowa, and I am so sad that no one is close enough to come hang out with me!! It's too bad our Midwest get-together fizzled out. I think it fizzled out because everyone was afraid I would feel well enough to show up after all.

Oh, well, if for some horrible reason you ever have to go to Iowa some day, look me up. I'll show you the sights!! Monochrome strip malls and 24-hour grocery stores, here we come!!

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No Need to Apologize, Linz *DELETED* new
      #231029 - 12/12/05 01:50 PM
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yes, absolutely! new
      #231067 - 12/12/05 04:03 PM
jen1013

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Linz definitely didn't need to apologize. I wasn't singling out Linz -- or anyone. I just think sometimes we need to be a little more understanding about not being understanding.

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Re: wat a day new
      #231072 - 12/12/05 04:47 PM
sgebhardt

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My hubby loves his red meat too. What I do is throw a steak on the grill for him and a veggie burger or chicken on the grill for me. If the weather is not good enough to bbq, I'll cook him a steak and some pasta. For my pasta, I top it with a "mock meat" (as my hubby likes to call it) sauce using yves veggie ground round and tomatoes and tomato paste. Sometimes he'll even skip the red meats and have yves with me too! He's grown accustomed to it. He actually even "likes" it

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Unfortunately, this is true-nt new
      #231099 - 12/12/05 06:43 PM
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Re: Okay, okay, I'm sorry! new
      #231106 - 12/12/05 07:25 PM
JonnaP

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Bah... I kind of agreed to a certain point.

I know that overall, my husband too has been very supportive, and will stop me (sometimes) from eating things I shouldn't. He's only gotten truly snippy about what I can and can't eat once. We'll refer to it as the great omlette incident.

But I think it's a question of whether the partner/significant other is constantly making one feel bad about something one has absolutely no control over, or if they have the occaisional frustration moment.

If they're making the effort to be understanding, that's one thing, and those occaissional slips are tolerable. but if they're making no effort at all?

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Re: Okay, okay, I'm sorry! new
      #231135 - 12/12/05 11:16 PM
sgebhardt

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My hubby actually told me today and I quote, "Why wouldn't I be supportive? You didn't ask for this. You can't control it. I married you for better or for worse!". What a sweetheart.

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Awwww! new
      #231148 - 12/13/05 03:45 AM
Linz

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That's so sweet. My hubby's alot the same...and I was actually ill before we got married. He just gets really frustrated sometimes that he can't fix me and that can be hard to live with - but counselling has really helped us communicate better with that issue.

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Re: yes, absolutely! new
      #231221 - 12/13/05 10:08 AM
jenix

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wow - sorry i didnt mean to start such a riot with my message - sorry sorry sorry !! anyway last night i cooked and made an affort he had lamb steaks i hadthe veg option and it went down fantastically !! yay happy household again here! oh and just to let u all know my new job went fantastically today - i sold £250 worth of shoes and i totally enjoyed myself had oats for brekky to stabalise me for the day and it was all ok xxxx

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Re: Awwww! new
      #231252 - 12/13/05 11:25 AM
sgebhardt

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Excellent! Cooking meat and veggies isn't so bad. It's not like you have to cook a whole separate meal for him. Just part of it. This way you can both enjoy the meal together. Compromising is all it is.

Linz - My hubby feels that way too (sometimes gets frustrated that he can't fix me). But he doesn't voice that concern too often because he knows he can't do anything to solve my problems and that only I can. He'll remind me from time to time not to eat that, you should eat this instead and stuff like that. It's really great having a hubby that actually knows the plan so he can watch over me. He actually read both books!

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Edited by sgebhardt (12/13/05 11:29 AM)

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Hehe! new
      #231287 - 12/13/05 01:38 PM
Linz

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When I was stabilising (and so following the diet 100%) Si was my watchdog...he'd get really mad if I cheated. Luckily these days I can cheat sometimes okay, so the decision is left up to me.

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Hehe Jen! new
      #231289 - 12/13/05 01:40 PM
Linz

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This was not a riot....just a minor bar scuffle. Don't worry about it - I for one did not get upset at all.

$250 worth of shoes - wow girl, either you were very busy or your shoes are very expensive! Well done!!!!!

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Re: Hehe! new
      #231290 - 12/13/05 01:43 PM
sgebhardt

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Tell me about it. I cheated a couple days ago. Learned my lesson though. Even after putting some sf in my tummy it still didn't sit well. Hershey's kisses (just two of them) aren't as innocent as they might seem!

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