continuous bloat??
#210570 - 09/01/05 09:23 PM
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hi friends--
so ive been watching something for awhile now. it bothers me personally, but not enough for me to do anything. i keep thinking that its temporary but ive noticed it for too long to keep wondering w/out acting. everyday my stomach is *so* bloated. but it seems to be beyond IBS bloat--my acacia and psyllium keeps me going daily. i drink plenty of water and have been having 2-3 BMs a day [which is GOOD!] but my stomach is still bloated beyond belief!! ive gone up a size [making me a full 3, but 5s are comfy] and there seems to be no signs of reducing tummy size anytime soon. i just dont understand b/c most days i go 12+ hours before i eat! if any of you peek at my food posts...i dont overeat anymore at meals. if i havent eaten for awhile, i dont eat a TON and stuff myself. im just baffled and dont know what to do. i guess im worried theres something else wrong that im not paying attention to. any suggestions other then yoga/pilates?? i walk alot, situps..light exercise  wishing i did more now since i feel so big. this problem has been causing other problems as i have become to feel very self conscious about it. i know i post alot about feeling uncomfortable with my body but it means alot to me that my posts get read and replies. thanks guys *HUGS*
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Ashley, could you be going too long without putting something in your tummy? (I'm a fine one to talk because I'm the same way!) That's one thought re: bloating. It's that 'famine' belly syndrome. I know...fasting is a hard habit to bust.
I know you consume alot of soy. This often causes gassiness/bloating in people.
I tried psyllium and I BLEW UP, inflated...we're talking bicycle tire bloating. Could this be a factor? I noticed, also, that you're eating some pretty coarse/bran-type cereals. This could be another factor.
Do you have asthma? Are you swallowing too much air? (I have a tendency to do that)
Perhaps some enzymes to help digest some of the challenging foods might be helpful? They work for me.
I'm combing my brain for ideas. I also know that you have body image issues. Truly...a comfy size 5 is the envy of alot of people.
Kate, IBS-D.
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...about the high fiber cereals being the culprit. You are eating them first thing in the morning on an empty tummy and snacking on them too without an SF beforehand.
Also, the soy could be a big factor too...and as Wind said, not eating enough and waiting too between meals and when you get up could also be a factor.
I have major body issues too, so my bloating is a big mind teaser for me. I have not been able to control my bloat either...even with not eating soy, high fiber cereals, or drinking fennel... 
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hmmm---
#210767 - 09/03/05 07:19 AM
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hi kate--
you make really good points with all those possibilities. ive never given some thought to those *maybe* problems. hmm the famine belly syndrome? hehe, i wouldnt say i fast, more like i sleep for a good long time, wake up and it just takes me a while before i have an appetite. but the thing i hate about finally eating, is feeling like ive gone so long without eating, so i dont really wanna start then by putting something in my tummy i usually sip water. i know thats terrible for the IBS..
i do use soy alot i would say. maybe about a half-cup for cereal, and then i think alot of other products i eat have soy in them, or traces of it. i dont really have gassiness feelings, in fact, i havent been having any typical "bad gas". just a huge preg-O looking belly!
i read about the psyllium causing problems for people who are asthmatic and took that into careful consideration before trying the product--but i havent really noticed a problem from that. this def. feels different then something asthma-related but i cant put my finger on it!  and plus i take the psyllium at night to avoid day-bloat. im never really bloated in the AM unless i went to bed really late and ate really late too. but i have been on a semi-schedule and also sick so my appetite has been teedering.
it is possible that i could have been taking in too much air, i was coughing alot. its just this seems to have been going on longer though. there was a point when i started gaining weight, pulling me back up from my very small size. and i paid attention, but not really too closely until it started to bother me. and it started to bother me b/c i noticed a huge belly after every meal! the kind of belly that i thought looked 8 months preg maybe 3.5 years ago! its strange and i want to go to a DR to check up and calm my nerves but i hate being shuffled in and out just b/c my symptoms are hard to sympathize. i would LOVE to see a naturepath but theyre so expensive!!
thanks for combing your brain  hehe. i guess a part of me is liking the new 5s, but i still need time to get used to it. or to get in shape. peace!
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really?
#210770 - 09/03/05 07:22 AM
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i dont really like fennel tea. too strong--i kind of stopped eating the cereal in the AM b/c i ran out  haha but i think even if i cut all those things out, id be in the same place as you, still with bloat. i hate it, it is a mind-teaser for me as well.
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Re: really?
#210771 - 09/03/05 07:25 AM
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I'd try cutting out the psyllium slowly and see if that helps. Remember that all triggers (inc. the harder SFSs) don;t have to take effect straight away to be causing mid-long term issues.
Plus you do need to eat more often...try and get into the habit of making yourself have a teeny bit of SF straight after you wake up. I know going w/out food is actually a big bloat trigger for me.
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...but Linz beat me to it! 
Ashley, some people get bloat from Acacia too...even though it helps many. I know Ginger said it bloated her up...and Dalia too. It may be a great SFS but just not for you. It could be the Acacia too.
I also agree...you don't eat enough girl! Or often enough! I've seen your reports on the fitness board. Aren't you losing weight like crazy??? Maybe it might help your thinking to eat more quantity and more often to remember that this will probably help the bloat and in the end, eating more often will put you ahead of the game because your tummy may be flatter. This is what is helping me to eat more often.
How about trying a more SF based cereal first thing in the morning? I know it's hard to give up the higher fiber cereals when you think they are helping you to go. I have actually started thinking about eating them  Have you tried Puffins cereal? They are listed on the safe snack list. It contains 6 grams of fiber (pretty good amount) but the fiber grams are probably all from the corn which is SF. Puffins original and http://www.barbarasbakery.com/products/cerealproddisplay.asp?product=61&category=20
This cereal contains corn bran, but I know Jennifer Rose eats this cereal in the morning with no problems. This way you still are getting a good amount of fiber and more SF based.
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Linz!!!!!!
#210784 - 09/03/05 08:21 AM
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I didn't realize that it could have a cumulative effect. I have also been taking it at night to contain the bloat to night time only. It has helped my BMs somewhat to take psyllium, but I still have bloat and major gas, especially after dinner.I know Kandee and Elizabeth take the psyllium at night to try to avoid bloat in the day.
If Ashley cuts down on the psyllium a little at a time, how do you think she can compensate for the fiber? I'm trying to get ideas for myself! 
I have been having a little better BMs with the psyllium so I'm afraid to cut it out...but also tired of the gas and bloat. Can't tell if it's worse than before the psyllium.
Also, how do you start your day out with a little SF right away? Do you have a particular food that you rely on for the SF start to your day right when you wake up?
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Well, you seem to be reporting regular bm's due to psyllium as
SFS and diet. Perhaps--and this is a whacky and wild thought--after your bm's you have a huge air pocket (i.e. an empty void after the SFS unloads whatever you put into yourself), giving you that famine belly/pregnant balloon look.
I know with me, asthma is a factor. I do swallow air!
Like you, my favourite breakfast is WATER/fluid. I can't think of food until later in the day without nausea and vomitting (I take some pow-wow am meds.).
Keep exploring. Some enzymes, though, with those gassy soy and fibrous cereals might help break down the lignans and the cellulose/hemicellulose. They really really are effective for me.
Kate, IBS-D, AND ALMOST STABLE, too.
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...what are you doing/eating differently than you were in Croatia? You seemed to have been doing much better with your symptoms while you were away.
Have you changed anything?
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Hey Beth.
Yeah I got more general bloat from psyllium as well as a reaction straight after taking it. It's just something to consider if bloat is a troublesome issue. I'd replace it with equal amounts of SF from another SFS you're taking and try to eat more IF safely.
I only need to start the day with a little bit of SF (ie. not a full brekkie) when I'm feeling particularly bad...and then I'll have a bit of applesauce, or Acacia in some soy milk, something tiny like that to gently wake my tum up. I know quite a few people (Casey?) do a regular pre-breakfast.
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I was prepping for my colonoscopy and had to stop all my fiber and felt better than I had in months. I'm not saying Acacia is bad, I think I just didn't need it anymore because my D was under control. I think the EXTREME (and I do mean extreme) gas and bloting was my bodies way of telling me I was getting tooo much fiber. I've noticed if I still have too much fiber (in everyday foods) I still have a bit of a reaction, but not nearly as bad. I know that if I have a D attack, I'll definitely go back on it until I'm stable though. I still drink lots of teas and find that if I'm having a gassy moment, the fennel now works way better than it did when I was still using acacia.
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i too had wondered that about the acacia...i used to be taking, maybe 3 tablespoons??? and i noticed i felt too inflated to wanna move. i went down to 2 coffee-spoons worth and noticed way less gas/bloat. i really think [for Cs] acacia works the best in eliminating the side-problems. it doesnt really make me have bowel movements as it makes me feel more comfortable when i dont have them. i do agree that i feel that way though when i have too much fiber and not enough water. just something you learn as you go!
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nothing too much--i guess i just havent been able to get out as much. there just doesnt seem to be much to do except walk the dog. i go on walks and bikerides but its not the same i think i just generally felt better in croatia b/c it was so beautiful there. and part of me still felt that way even in croatia, i just wasnt always able to post. and plus there isnt so much body image pressure there. at least i think theres too much here. anyways thanks for always peeking at my posts. it means alot that you reply. i feel really bad for posting what i do post since in my food posts, i dont let on that im bothered by little things i hope it doesnt upset you or any one else going thru the same thing. i always think its gonna what do you do in chicago for fun?
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its fun to be almost stable  and yes, water does rock for breakfast.
what type of enzymes do you take? that was plan H on my list if psyllium failed LOL. i saw this stir-in powder @ a healthfood store that had proprietary blends of both SF and IF that was also organic. i could hold off that if you have a good enzyme brand i had *briefly* looked into them--
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hey--
no actually im not losing any weight! its strange, my number says low, but i have actually gained maybe 2 pounds? i eat alot though in my days but its usually at night and most of the times, after ive posted my food. im just too lazy to go back and edit it! but usually i eat vegan pizza almost--every night! which is the equivilant to reg.pizza, only dairy-free. i can eat maybe 6 squares before im full! im too scared to cut back on the psyllium b/c i dont want to be in pain
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Just wanted to say the Cinnamon flavor is the one with 6 grams of fiber (corn meal and corn bran). The original flavor has 5 grams of fiber (corn four and corn bran flour)...so I don't know if one is safer than the other? 
Does anyone else know?
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Don't worry about upsetting anyone with your posts, silly woman! That's what the board is for! I don't get influenced by how much other people are eating. I don't restrict anymore and don't feel guilty if I eat more than others. I know I still need to gain weight and have energy!
I don't do anything in Chicago for fun! I'm in the suburbs and don't go into the city at all. Do you actually live right in the city? I'm boring and live a boring life! Hey, do you live in an apartment that allows dogs? That would be awesome. I want a dog so badly. My landlord won't even let me have a cat.
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Yummy pizza!
#210848 - 09/03/05 05:07 PM
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I suppose you use soy cheese and I am too scared to try soy because of the gas....I already have enough and don't want to risk getting more with a food that may cause it. Too bad, because it would allow more foods. How do you make your pizza?
Have you thought about eliminating the soy or the casein in the cheese could be a problem.
What do you think about the feedback about the cereals?
I know what you mean about reducing the psyllium. I feel the same way. I think it is causing more gas and bloat, but I am also able to have a little better BM output which helps that type of pain..but not the pain of spasms and gas.
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..does that equal? What do you mean by "it helps with the "side-problems"?
Maybe if you cut out the Acacia altogether, it would help the bloat/gas even more. Just a thought.
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Ashley:
I'm not sure what's available at your HFS. I'd just go there and explore. There's tons of vegan enzyme formulas. Mine are made by Swiss Herbals. Udo has a really good blend, as well.
I don't have any gastric juices, so enzymes are really essential for me. (Protease for protein; lipase for fats; amylase for carbohydrates; cellulase for fibre; lactase for lactose) Obviously I don't need the lactase one!
Truly, I believe it's the psyllium that's the cause of the problem. Personally, there isn't a single SFS out there that doesn't give me gas, bloating, and asthma/breathing problems.
Kate, IBS-D--nearly A.
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Just an FYI...
#210859 - 09/03/05 06:14 PM
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I was OK in the AMs, but mid afternoon it would come on and by evening I was miseable. I was only using 1-1.5 tsp each Am and PM and I only drink water and tea and a lot of it at that. It's definitely a tricky balancing act. Gotta love it!
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how many grams of fiber?? i think it was 5 grams/fiber per tablespoon--so something like 15 grams? give-or-take.
i went without it and psyllium unsynched with eachother for 4 days when traveling and it sucked
oh side problems, i ment bloating and gas. IBS is either constipation or diarrhea, and bloating and gas are side problems to either of those.
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..you are currently taking 15 grams of acacia at once every morning? And then the 3 grams of psyllium at night?
Maybe your morning dose is overload. Have your tried reducing the morning fiber to maybe 1 1/2 tablesoon, then haveing another 1 1/2 Tablespoons at lunch, then psyllium at night. Or even, 1 T of acacia at each meal, then the psyllium at night with enough time to get in the water required to absorb it.
I didn't realize you were only taking 3 grams of psyllium...I personally don't think that would be enough to be the sole cause of your bloat....but I'm no expert either! 
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...as the BMs have disappeared once again.
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Hi Beth, I would say the flours are because they're more
broken down, it would be the same effect as when you puree
IF berries,etc. -Bob
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OH NO!
#210914 - 09/04/05 11:50 AM
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OHHHHHHH OOPS!! sorry no thats way too many fiber-grams haha to get from SFS. of acacia currently im taking 1/2-1 TBSP in the AM in peppermint tea. and then at nighttime i take 6 psylliums----> which i think is about 5-7 grams?? its the perfect balance with combined water. im sorry i didnt mean to confuse you!! i used to be taking 15 grams/acacia when i first started it. i increased too fast
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hehe "silly woman"
i live about 30-40 minutes away on a good traffic day!  not directly in the city, but my BF lives in the first neighborhood that becomes "chicago". we stayed in an apartment that was in the city, you could see the beautiful skyline so perfect! but they wouldnt allow pets either! i wanted my kitty-cat to come live with us but my BF is terribly allergic to cats so it wouldnt work.
i really wanna take ballet! or something in spare time. since im broke now from my vacation i need to pay back my checking account before i have any kind of "fun" LOL that costs anything! i like photo and since im gonna start school next sem. im gonna start going out to photograph but only when i have moohlah to develop my pics!!
i think landlords should let you have pets b/c they rock!!! ill post a pic of me and my kitty!! click the link!
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so youve had bloat probs with psyllium too? im sure it works for me..i keep thinking that my food from the night before causes me to have a famine-belly the morning after but im not sure.
i checked out some "green food" at my HFS and found organic barley powder that you stir into juice..etc. i was inspired by all your green foods that i wanted to find something myself! theres this really helpful lady at a vitamin store i go to who is really really nice/understanding. i think when im able to [money-wise] ill go ask her to help me find some good stuff! thanks kate
PS--how do you pick out your veggies and greens? how do you prepare them sans trigger-ingredients? ive ventured out and began eating boiled zucchinin which is my new fave!
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IVE SEEN THOSE!! the puffins bird is so cute! i have to make sure those cereals arent sweetened with honey [not vegan] before i buy but if they arent then ill load up! i love little cereal especially the kinds for "baby hands" [you know the commercials that say "just right for little hands"] i like to put cereal in a baggie and then munch on it dry sometimes too. puffins is good for this i take it?? groovy! what other flavors?
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the soy cheese is actually casien free! the brand is called follow your heart: vegan cheese alternative it melts just like real cheese! the only problem is its just as fattening i think---> how fattening is real cheese??
my BF usually makes the pizza. but ive made it twice all by myself!! to start the dough, mix flour, olive oil, sugar, little salt, agave [honey-sub] yeast and warm water until you get a dough. [note: all ingredients are organic/vegan] roll out dough into pizza shape and flour. for sauce, its a homemade recipe from croatia but its basically tomatoes, tomato sauce, parsley and basil and some olive oil. puree that and spread onto rolled-out dough. our toppings are vegan creamcheese, organic fakin bacon, the cheese of course which also comes in mozzerella, diced zucchini, red peppers, onions and tomatoes. crumbled vegan burger on top and spices and POP in the oven [455 temp] for about 20-25 min. it is *sooooo* good!
i liked what you said about the cereals. i used to be eating kashi strawberry fields which has minimal fiber. so i switched to high-fiber and found i was "going" better. maybe i need a middle. a cereal with a medium amount between 2-10 grams. my cereals have 10-11 grams of fiber alone! in one serving too!!
i really want to go to a doctor to be checked out and updated just so iknow everything is all right. colon problems are so scary and i would be so frightened if i found out i had a more serious problem and i wasnt treating it effectivly. i was diagnosed at 17 with IBS/C after doing tests from age 16-18 [the tests @ 18 were more for comfort reasons as well] HEY do you know any good chicago doctors? do you visit a naturepath? one was recommended to me but i dont know how to find her. i only have her name LOL!
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*GASP!*
#210922 - 09/04/05 12:31 PM
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THAT *ALWAYS* HAPPENS TO ME!! i would never want to talk about when i was finally having BMs at the risk of losing them again. maybe the longest ive ever been perfectly stable was for 3-4 days in a row. i had flat tummy, no gas, and perfect BMs. i remember that that time in my life was a time when i was really really happy. sometimes i think this disease is more of a feeling-basis and that your feelings really effect it, since its a brain-gut disfunction. im sorry you lost your BMs--i hope they come back!!!
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Ashley, I love your energy! The enzymes I normally use are made by SISU. There are some odd accents above the "I" and the "U" They are vegetarian. They even have fennel seed in them!
Confession: I've tried Green Powders/drinks and I honestly wasn't too impressed. I think they were trendy for awhile, but the trend has passed.
I love steamed zucchini! It's great grilled or broiled, too! (It just hasn't been very available around here for the past 2 weeks. The ones that are available are "old"--rubbery, not firm, and wrinkled.
Re: How do I select veggies/greens? Do you mean, how do I know what's "good" i.e. "fresh?" Or how do I choose what to eat in general, veggie-wise? The freshness factor is obvious. I generally shop with an "eye" guide so as not to get distracted. Also, it varies weekly based on my mood/tummy, prices, and availability. Baby spinach is easy--1kg bags from Cost Co. I'm on a salad kick, so Mixed Greens from there. In the spring/summer/early autumn, I go to a Farmer's Market. I get mushrooms from a farm at a deal when I'm on a mushroom kick (I have been for the past 2 weeks).
Re: preparation. I generally steam or steam fry or boil or grill or broil or saute in broth.
You're welcome to email me for more info. etc. My email is:
katenowak@msn.com
Kate, IBS-D.
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haha thanks!
i guess i meant both ways---i hate when the zucchinis are like that too! in fact, i was anticipating enjoying one last night [as i did] only it was wrinkly too! at the end--ew! i thought there was one more hiding in the fridge somewhere....
whole foods is where i mainly shop for any kind of food. and i think they take advantage of organic-shoppers b/c they know theyll pay the high prices! i end up doing it too but its okay. i was thinking of adding in some more squashes, maybe a butternut squash? or a yellow one. have you tried those before?? i LOVE to boil green chard and mash it with potatoes how do you make "faux-tatoes"? i see you eat those alot! does the califlower bother you with gas?? i think i used to like it but gave it up for that reason.
i agree with the trendiness of health. speaking of, that barely juice i found is $15.95!!! the bottle is maybe 6 ounces. thats why i was really waiting until it was something i wanted to try. didnt wanna spend that much if i was only gonna use it once. i just really would like to add more fruits/veggies--esp veggies into my diet. i eat mostly breads/cereals so i *could see* why i may still be constipated. im ashlynwondrland@yahoo.com if you ever want some recipes!! ive been experimenting with my scone recipe and took it pretty far! i think ive closed to mastered it hehe
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We're wasting too much space on the board, I fear! Let's communicate via email, soon.
Squash is excellent SF and so versatile. Great sauce material. Great on it's own. Once I made squash herbed 'croutons!' Truly, I just love chard on it's own, with a robust vinaigrette, as a type of salad. I've also used chard leaves as a kind of wrapper (cooked, of course). Great alternative to cabbage for cabbage rolls or as a bread substitute. Also great as a filling or sauce. I prefer it pureed. Great as a dip base/spinach alternative.
Actually, the 'faux-tatoes' (cauliflower) don't give me a bit of gas. Is it the enzymes? The mode of preparation? I'm not sure, but they don't give me a twinge of gas. It's basically steamed or boiled cauliflower that's pureed. Add in whatever enhancements/flavours you desire. I even use it as a thick sauce or filling/casserole type thing. I know you'd love it with soy cheese or lowfat tofu. I lends well to spicy/curry flavours if in the mood. Lots of biotin!
So, instead of taking up too much board space, I'll email you.
Kate, IBS-D.
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Kate,
Could you share the recipe on the recipe boards? Sounds good!
Mandy
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