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Could either of these supplements be causing D?
      #208372 - 08/25/05 08:02 AM
melitami

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I'm at my wit's end. I was moderately stable in terms of my IBS, and then I got diagnosed with fibro. One supplement she put me on was screwing with my stomach, but I stopped taking it several weeks ago. I'm having nothing by D, every day, I've been on essentially the BTC diet for the past two weeks, and it's not helping.

So, the two things I'm taking that are different than when I was stable are a B vitamin complex and this Fibro Calm stuff.

Here's the ingredients of the Fibro Calm from their website, since I'm at work and don't have the bottle in front of me:
FibroCalm™ is a unique formula developed for complete muscle, tissue, and joint support and combines nine all natural nutrients to promote a better night's sleep, comfort tense and aching muscles, and support joint mobility. This top product combines convenience and economics to deliver the following nutrients: White Willow Extract: The essential active compounds of white willow tree bark is salicin and other salicylates, compounds that support a healthy inflammation response. 5-HTP: A derivative of the amino acid L- tryptophan, 5-HTP is converted to serotonin, an important neurotransmitter that promotes a positive mood and sleep. Tryptophan is also broken down into ribose and may help to increase energy levels. Malic Acid: A fruit acid that is essential in the formation of ATP. Malic acid has the ability to allow the body to produce ATP more efficiently, even under low oxygen, or hypoxic conditions. Magnesium Hydroxide: Functions as a coenzyme and may help in calcium absorption and nerve and muscle function as well as possibly increasing metabolism for increased energy. Glucosamine: An amino polysaccharide concentrated around joint cartilage, it forms proteoglycans that attract fluids to the joint space where increased lubrication of the joint promotes movement. Chondroitin Sulfate: In the category of glycosaminoglycans, a long chain of specialized polysaccharides, chondroitin is the foundation for proteoglycans that help form connective tissue. MSM: A metabolite of dimethylsulfoxide (DMSO), MSM is approximately 33% sulfur and plays an essential part in amino acid and protein metabolism, as well as the maintenance of connective tissues. Boswellin: Boswellic acids found in this tree sap support a healthy inflammation response. Curcumin: A strong antioxidant that supports a healthy inflammatory response. Holy Basil: (Ocimum sanctum) Contains the powerful ursolic acid, which significantly enhances detoxification and helps support the inflammation response. Hyaluronic Acid: Hyaluronic acid is a major component of joint tissue. It helps to hold lubricating moisture in joints and cartilage, which affects their resilience, elasticity, and strength.

Thoughts? I also take a calcium/magnesium supplement, a women's multivitamin, Heather's peppermint capsules, and Acacia. All of this I was taking before I got so unstable.

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Re: Could either of these supplements be causing D? new
      #208384 - 08/25/05 08:12 AM
Johnny T. Reb

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Hi Melissa, At a guess, I would say the vitamin B complex, I
have heard of other people getting D from that, and the only
D I've had in the recent past was when I was taking that. I
stopped when Linz mentioned if you're eating oatmeal you don't
need it. I would try to stop that seeing as the fibrocalm is probably much more important for you. -Bob



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Re: Could either of these supplements be causing D? new
      #208397 - 08/25/05 08:23 AM
bamagirl

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I recognized 5-HTP, because I am taking it also. I only take 100mg once a day. I tried increasing it another 50mg and I had a lot of cramping - but not D. I am C predominant, and the cramping wasn't severe, just uncomfortable. When I backed down 50mg, I was ok. Just a thought?

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Re: Could either of these supplements be causing D? new
      #208522 - 08/25/05 01:06 PM
DanaNoel

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The 5-HTP could be causing you problems. An increase in Seratonin increases gut motility. Just a thought.

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Calling Miss Dalia for some help and Kate too...Laurel, Linz.... new
      #208523 - 08/25/05 01:17 PM
Snow for Sarala

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how much magnesium is in the fibro calm...and what TYPE of magnesium is it (it may not say)? Also, how much cal/mag is in the multi you take? I fear the mag may be the culprit...

OR perhaps the B complex? Maybe you aren't digesting it properly and it's causing D (or you need B and aren't getting and and you are getting D cause you're vitamin deficient in B vitamins?)

Dalia....what do you think Miss Naturopath you *hugs*

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Re: Could either of these supplements be causing D? new
      #208524 - 08/25/05 01:18 PM
Wind

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I know that magnesium hydroxide is the active ingredient of Milk of Magnesia. Does this help?

Kate.

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Re: Could either of these supplements be causing D? new
      #208525 - 08/25/05 01:20 PM
Wind

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That's funny re: 5-HTP--it made me so NAUSEATED! Also, serotonin made me really really nauseated. I had to stop both. bet the D is a result of the magnesium hydroxide--it is, afterall, the active ingredient of MILK OF MAGNESIA.

Kate.

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Amount of magnesium new
      #208566 - 08/25/05 02:54 PM
melitami

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Now that I'm home with all the bottles of stuff:

Amounts in Fibro calm (per day, I take 3 pills after breakfast and 3 pills after dinner, so this is for all 6 pills):
Magnesium Hydroxide: 300 mg
Malic Acid: 1200 Mg
5 HTP: 100 mg

I take a cal/mag supplement that is 500 mg calcium, 250 mg magnesium, and 250 mg phosphorous.

My multivitamin has 450 mg calcium and 50 mg magnesium.

Is this too much magnesium? I don't know what a proper amount is

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Re: Amount of magnesium new
      #208570 - 08/25/05 03:10 PM
Wind

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Well, one Phillips Milk of Magnesia chew contains 311mg of magnesium hydroxide.

It's definitely the magnesium causing the D!!!

Kate.

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Since your getting some magnesium in the Fibro med... new
      #208599 - 08/25/05 04:38 PM
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Why don't you try changing to a straight calcium tablet instead of a combo calcium/magnesium? That might help a little. Maybe that extra 250 mg in the supplement is putting you over into the "unstable" area?

And you could also try increasing your calcium to 1000 mg to conterbalance the Magnesium amount.

It would be a shame to have to give up the fibro supplement if you need it. Maybe Linz could help you out here. I think she takes some Fibro supplement.

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Re: Since your getting some magnesium in the Fibro med... new
      #208600 - 08/25/05 04:42 PM
melitami

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Thanks, Cindy. That's actually what I'm planning on doing. The cal/mag supplement I was taking before the fibro supplement. I hadn't (at the time) wanted to take a straight cal supplement because I was tending towards A. But definitely think I need one now!

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Thanks, Kate! new
      #208601 - 08/25/05 04:43 PM
melitami

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No more cal/mag supplement for me. Going to get a straight calcium one to help counteract the magnesium in the fibro stuff.

Thanks so much. Now maybe I can go back to eating not just SF food. It was getting rather boring and frustrating.

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Re: Thanks, Kate! new
      #208671 - 08/26/05 03:31 AM
Wind

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I hope that this solves the mystery re: D cause. Please advise if your D stops.

Kate, IBS-D, almost A.

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I agree with Kate! new
      #208678 - 08/26/05 04:58 AM
Linz

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My supplement has only 200mg Magnesium...with 400mg Calcium too. I'd try and keep to about that balance IMO - it works great for me and I'm A too.

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No D today! Thanks sooo much! -nt- new
      #208862 - 08/26/05 12:54 PM
melitami

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Hooray! new
      #208865 - 08/26/05 01:00 PM
Augie

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One mystery solved! Hope the Fibro meds really help you...and horray for being able to take them!

I know this is the answer...limiting the M and increasing the C!

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Re: Mystery solved. new
      #208892 - 08/26/05 02:18 PM
Wind

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Melissa,

What a relief. I'm glad we solved the mystery of your D.
Have a wonderful weekend/'gut Shabbos!'

Kate, IBS-D, nearly A.

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Magnesium was the first thing that my eye caught too. new
      #208931 - 08/26/05 03:32 PM
Dusa

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I have taken magnesium pills too and when I read that on the ingredients that was the one I thought would be the culprit too. That gave me problems also. If I remember right it has something to do with water and I think it adds more water to the bowels and who needs more water when you're already a faucet? I can't remember for sure if that was it, but that's what I faintly recall.

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