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Okay, what happened??? What could have done this to me ?
      #202771 - 08/05/05 08:44 AM
LtDanFan

Reged: 12/17/03
Posts: 588
Loc: Ohio

Hopefully I can get some help, after posting that I had almost made it a month without an attack, I had one, well I had been stable for 2 days and had a horendous one last night/this am it was about 1:30 to 3:00 a.m., I love it when it happens at that time....... anyway her was yesterdays menu, my SFS am,pm 4 citrucel each time, oatmeal, about 8 soycrisps, 4 petzels for snack, a piece of country bakery bread, read the ingredients, safe, plain, a grape popsicle, for dinner, wasn't really hungry but I had a peanut butter, spread so thin you could hardly see it, I do eat PB, but no where near to serving size, with honey on toasted french bread, (bkaery), applesauce, (natural) with my low fat, natural granola that has all safe ingredients, mixed into the applesauce, it was very tasty, 1/2 an oatmeal cookie, not store bought, I get them at the place I get my bread. About 50 ounces of water and fennel/chamomille tea..........any guesses, I had a normal BM earlier that day and was so happy, than I started with the labor pains and gave birth for about 2 1/2 hours lol, normal BM followed by all D...........about 5 BM;s in all. I've not been eating a lot since my attack a few days ago and trying to stay with SF foods.

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Re: Okay, what happened??? What could have done this to me ? new
      #202782 - 08/05/05 09:21 AM
atomic rose

Reged: 06/01/04
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I don't really see anything in what you've eaten that could possibly have caused it, except maybe the granola. Remember that attacks can be triggered by all kinds of things, not just food - not getting enough sleep, stress, anxiety, hot humid weather, hormones, and probably a few others I'm not thinking of at the moment. And on top of that, it IS possible to have completely random attacks that you just can't figure out a reason for.

Stick with the safest foods today, and hope you feel better soon!

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Re: Okay, what happened??? What could have done this to me ? new
      #202877 - 08/05/05 12:48 PM
Sand

Reged: 12/13/04
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My guess would be the oatmeal cookie unless you're sure your bakery makes them without any dairy at all. And, as AtomicRose says, it could have been triggered by something non-food, also.

I hope you feel better soon.

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Re: Okay, what happened??? What could have done this to me ? new
      #202912 - 08/05/05 02:18 PM
LtDanFan

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Thanks for the ideas, I had wondered about the cookies, but I do treat myself to half of one about once a week, so I don't know........I posted the list of ingredients to my granola, separately, just to be sure it's safe. Today, so far so good, getting hungry

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Re: Okay, what happened??? What could have done this to me ? new
      #203057 - 08/05/05 09:33 PM
Anthem

Reged: 10/01/04
Posts: 76
Loc: Phoenix, AZ

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I don't really see anything in what you've eaten that could possibly have caused it, except maybe the granola. Remember that attacks can be triggered by all kinds of things, not just food - not getting enough sleep, stress, anxiety, hot humid weather, hormones, and probably a few others I'm not thinking of at the moment. And on top of that, it IS possible to have completely random attacks that you just can't figure out a reason for.

Stick with the safest foods today, and hope you feel better soon!




Thanks so much for your post above. Here at Heather's site, I see almost what I could call a "state religion" that focuses so much on food, and while this is valid, it can be distorted.

I had a good month of July with weeks of "torpedo" stools, and I ate the same dull stuff every day. Then suddenly for no reason I started having gas one day really bad (uh oh) and then it lead to "D". I have no idea why. I took Immodium and it shut down, so now I am in the quiet zone, and hope the pendulum of the IBS-A is now going to swing back the other way (away from "D").

But I get really annoyed at people here (and I love them all but I still get annoyed) desperately trying to find THAT ONE TRUE TRIGGER (like the Holy Grail) that started their "D", and if they can just find it, they will never again have a "D" attack.

I love you all and want the same thing, but I just do not think life with IBS is that easy. We do not evevn know what causes it, and I simply do not believe it is controlled 100% purely by what you eat. The latest theories say it is a mind-gut communication dysfunction. So eat your little hearts out, all the most pure food in Eden, but I think there is still missing knowledge (maybe we need to follow Eve and seek the answer from the Tree of Knowledge?). I don't think we know enough about IBS to think we can "out eat" it. If you have an attack, it might be something you ate. True enough. But the reason can be totally oblivious to us!

I remember (was it King George the Third?) who had a rare disease that caused madness and his urine to be blue! This is historical fact. Well, at the time, the way to evaluate a person's health in the 18th century was to see how firm their stools were. His stools were firm, so the best physicians of the period were stumped. But they assumed that since King George was Royalty, this explained why his urine was blue. Of course, now medical science has a name for his rare disease and knows all about the cause and why the urine was blue.

Sometimes as far as IBS goes, we are still in the 18th century and our physicians are just as clueless.

Perhaps in IBS this slang expression and rude bumpersticker is LITERALLY TRUE:

"S**T Happens".

Stop always trying to rationalize it or explain it. At times we can't! It reminds me a little of the New Age people who believe you create all your own reality. So if you have cancer, they make themselves feel secure against ever getting cancer themselves by insisting that YOU did something that gave you cancer, thereby creating a guilty party. You repressed your anger, you didn't have enough love as a child, you intentionally stepped on ants, or something. But the truth is that we still don't know why some folks get cancer. They just do. We also don't know why someone who follows all the rules gets a flare-up. TO me, it is just the way IBS is. I can do everything I can think of to minimize such problems, but they are going to happen, and I would better spend my time just detaching from guilt and emotional upset, drink some hot pepppermint tea, put on a good old fashioned movie I enjoy, cuddle up on the couch and nurture myself until it passes.

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Hey Anthem new
      #203059 - 08/05/05 09:47 PM
Stephie

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Loc: Vancouver, Canada

Hi there,

Just wondering, if you are getting frustrated by the focus on diet alone, have you checked out the other boards?
I know for ages I was sort of stuck on this board, but there are the Yoga boards, the fitness boards, the hypno boards...
Just a suggestion!
Also, do a search if you are interested in other treatments... for example, there are LOADS of posts about different medications people have been on.

The idea of a support board is that we are here to help each other, and most importantly to listen to each other. It is totally naturally to get frustrated, to search for answers, and to want something more. It's not always rational, but that isn't a prerequisite to post here. So long as people aren't being rude or offensive, I think it is best to let people vent here as they likely don't have any other outlets.

Cheers mate!
--Steph

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Re: Hey Anthem new
      #203061 - 08/05/05 09:59 PM
Anthem

Reged: 10/01/04
Posts: 76
Loc: Phoenix, AZ

Quote:

Hi there,

Just wondering, if you are getting frustrated by the focus on diet alone, have you checked out the other boards?
I know for ages I was sort of stuck on this board, but there are the Yoga boards, the fitness boards, the hypno boards...
Just a suggestion!
Also, do a search if you are interested in other treatments... for example, there are LOADS of posts about different medications people have been on.

The idea of a support board is that we are here to help each other, and most importantly to listen to each other. It is totally naturally to get frustrated, to search for answers, and to want something more. It's not always rational, but that isn't a prerequisite to post here. So long as people aren't being rude or offensive, I think it is best to let people vent here as they likely don't have any other outlets.

Cheers mate!
--Steph




Thanks. I agree with you totally. I just hate to see people possibly beating themselves over the head wondering what they did wrong to bring on a flare-up, and the reason may be something we'd never guess. This represents my projection since I have reached a point where I can't tell why I have flare-ups. I just do not know. So I am coming to a point of view of trying more to just accept that they may happen and to emotionally disengage from it. But I will be more quiet, since I don't want to upset anyone here.

Alas, Dear Anthem, we knew him well......and rumor has it, in his youth, he's "known" a lot of people (in the Biblical sense). Take care, everyone.

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Re: Hey Anthem new
      #203078 - 08/06/05 12:38 AM
imp

Reged: 02/19/05
Posts: 34
Loc: england

don't go silent i like your posts anthem ,they are true to you,hope to bump into you on the boards some day.

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Re: Okay, what happened??? What could have done this to me ? new
      #203084 - 08/06/05 02:36 AM
Sand

Reged: 12/13/04
Posts: 4490
Loc: West Orange, NJ (IBS-D)

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Stop always trying to rationalize it or explain it. At times we can't! It reminds me a little of the New Age people who believe you create all your own reality. So if you have cancer, they make themselves feel secure against ever getting cancer themselves by insisting that YOU did something that gave you cancer, thereby creating a guilty party. You repressed your anger, you didn't have enough love as a child, you intentionally stepped on ants, or something. But the truth is that we still don't know why some folks get cancer. They just do. We also don't know why someone who follows all the rules gets a flare-up. TO me, it is just the way IBS is. I can do everything I can think of to minimize such problems, but they are going to happen, and I would better spend my time just detaching from guilt and emotional upset, drink some hot pepppermint tea, put on a good old fashioned movie I enjoy, cuddle up on the couch and nurture myself until it passes.




I don't think the "figure out what's wrong" and the "accept it's going to happen sometimes" positions have to be contradictory. I think you do the first and then you do the second. That is, see if you can find some food choice that might have caused the attack. If so, resolve not to do it again, accept, and get through as gracefully as possible. If not, skip the resolve part and go right to the accept and get through as gracefully as possible portion of the program.

I think it's always worth doing at least a quick mental food check when an attack flares up - you never know when you'll have an "oh, look, I ate a Near East rice dish and by gosh, it's got autolyzed yeast protein in it" moment. And for people who are relatively new to Heather's approach, it can be reassuring to have someone else take a look at what they've been eating: maybe they're worried they've misunderstood something basic, maybe they're eating stuff they're unsure of. Once they've gotten a food checkup and possibly some encouraging words, they can take whatever advice they're given and decide how to use it or not.

It is, of course, possible to "hyper focus" on food and, if you took everyone's advice about personal triggers, you'd probably never eat anything, but I think that obsessive focus is normal for the first few weeks or maybe even months of following Heather's approach. I suspect most people are saved from getting stuck in that mode because it gets boring after a while.

And I absolutely agree that guilt is not an appropriate response to an IBS attack (whether it was caused by food choices or not). However, guilt over food, over not "sticking to a diet", just seems to be built into our culture. Years ago I read a book or article that pointed out, very cleverly, all the parallels between how our culture thinks about eating - particularly eating anything not considered 100% healthy - and how the Victorians thought about sex. It's very easy to think of Heather's approach as a "diet" and to transfer all that guilt over eating McDonalds to guilt over eating "wrong" for IBS.

I think your riff on New Age/cancer was both dead on and a good analogy. People want to feel they have control, especially over their own bodies and health. It's terribly difficult to just accept that sometimes you get blind-sided and there's not much you can do about it.

And I agree with Imp - please don't go silent. Your perspective is interesting, helpful, and funny.

Oh, and King George? Porphyria. Great movie.

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Anthem, don't dissappear.... new
      #203085 - 08/06/05 03:05 AM
doubletrouble

Reged: 11/14/04
Posts: 1530
Loc: Canberra, Australia

You keep us with the lighthearted side of IBS. It's very refreshing and to be honest I'd miss it! Steph didn't mean you should go away! Just that it's very frustrating on the diet board if the diet doesn't seem to help you much. A lot of the posts are people just complaining here as we are the only people who really understand and a lot of the questions are from newbies or us just trying to figure out our own trigger foods. Maybe you should come down to the living room and have a chat with us there. No diet questions are in the living room so you can chat to your hearts content about IBS and your life without having to worry about the food side of things. Hope you stick around

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