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Worse than ever this morning
      #197562 - 07/20/05 12:24 AM
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I know I'm only on day 2 of trying to stablise myself but urgency was the name of the game this morning worse than normal my diet yesterday incs
Rice Crispies & Rice Milk (Brekfast)
Bananas
White roll with mashed banana (Lunch)
Candied Sweet Pots & White Rice cooked with 1 tsp of Kallo veg stock powder (Dinner)
Rice pudding made with white rice & rice milk, cinnamon & honey,
Also took P,Husks caps
Going to eat the same today, Has anyone any thoughts of problems with this diet?
Helen

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Re: Worse than ever this morning new
      #197563 - 07/20/05 12:30 AM
Linz

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I assume you mean psyllium huk capsules? They are awfully harsh for a D IMHO.

And don't eat too many bananas - although they're SF some people have issues with them so don't eat lots just in case.

Have you thought of trying Immodium as a preventative? It really helped me stabilise faster.

GOOD LUCK!

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Re: Worse than ever this morning new
      #197564 - 07/20/05 01:18 AM
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Thanks Linz
I'm going to drop the caps today (yes its Psyllium) just in case its them & I'll cut down the bananas today just had one after eating a bowl of Readybrek this morning but I will keep to the tins of Mango & Papaya I have in the cupboard for snacks & Desserts
Helen

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Re: Worse than ever this morning new
      #197566 - 07/20/05 02:19 AM
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My daughters name is Helen. What a great name!

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Re: Worse than ever this morning new
      #197574 - 07/20/05 04:15 AM
Linz

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I know they're SF but it's best to wait on the fruit until after you've done BTC as too much fructose is also a trigger. Keep them for Friday onwards!

Isn't ReadyBrek just fab?

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Re: Worse than ever this morning new
      #197655 - 07/20/05 08:19 AM
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Hi, Helen! I think HFCS is one of the main ingredients listed in Rice Krispies, which can be a problem for some IBSers. I mean, some are more sensitive to it than others. Also, are your rolls safe? No whey, HFCS in them? And I believe Linz already covered the P.Husk caps.

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Re: Worse than ever this morning new
      #197668 - 07/20/05 09:12 AM
belinda

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I would be sick as a dog if I ate what you ate! The best way to stabilize yourself is to follow Heather's diet and stick to simple things that you prepare yourself. I don't recommend eating any prepared foods such as cereals, etc. until you have a better handle on what you can tolerate.

You will have to scrutinize everything you eat. Even a simple thing like a white roll needs to be checked for ingredients, etc. The safest thing is to make your own bread. If you don't have time, then you will need to find a bread source from a good bakery that doesn't contain any unsafe ingredients. For example, many buns contain skim milk powder, which is a no-no.

I don't know what ingredients the veg stock powder contains, but I wouldn't touch it. Again, make you own food from scratch using safe ingredients. I would recommend staying away from or keeping to a bare minimum things like fruit and veggies until you better know what, and how much, you can tolerate.

By the way, I can't tolerate rice milk, have trouble with banana, honey is a no-no (see Heather's diet) and even white rice is a problem (with the exception of organic white basmati rice).

I'm afraid you may find the journey to finding foods you can safely tolerate quite challenging. But once you reach your destination, you will feel much better!

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Re: Worse than ever this morning new
      #198040 - 07/21/05 02:46 AM
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I was woken up at 5am this morning with really bad "D" all I had to eat yesterday was the chicken roll, 3 snack o jacks caramel, plain roll with plain white rice,
I'm at a total loss
before starting on this I did not eat much bread & I'm wondering if its wheat in general thats the problem? if you stop eating something that is causing a trigger situation how long will it take before you know? just going to stick to plain white rice with steamed chicken breasts today no cereal or bread & see if it improves

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Uh oh... new
      #198044 - 07/21/05 03:53 AM
Linz

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...last time I checked Snack a Jacks had dairy in them!

Remember to eat every few hours as well. And are you taking Immodium?

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Re: Uh oh... new
      #198045 - 07/21/05 04:01 AM
HL33

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aahhh, Yes taking imodium, I take two before brekfast, its strange though I keep hearing about people having pain with IBS but I don't seem to other than the cramping you get in the middle of a big "D" attack but it goes away as soon as I've gone to the loo is this normal? I know I can't eat pasta but that may be because the usual pasta has egg in it so I just assummed I was intolerant to wheat, may be it was the "jacks"
Helen

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Re: Uh oh... new
      #198047 - 07/21/05 04:33 AM
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That's actually a classic IBS pain pattern. I know C's get alot more general pain and discomfort than D's....and of course everyone's different!

Double check the Jacks, I may be wrong. If you can't eat regular pasta, I'd be suspicious of a wheat or gluten intolerance too. Maybe you should do an exclusion diet? DOing it for gluten is pretty tough tho as it's hidden in so many things and some people say it takes 3 months to readjust...but at least you might then know.

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Re: Uh oh... new
      #198053 - 07/21/05 05:44 AM
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Tell me about it I've just found it in the readybrek I ate this morning!!! Oat gluten by the looks of it,
I haven't had a coffee or anything with caffiene in it for two weeks same with dairy (not knowingly) & that does not have appeared to make any difference, considering how bad I was this morning it just must of been something I ate yesterday so I think I'm going to approach this slightly differently, I'll stick to the guidelines but just ditch the gluten stuff aswell & see how that goes, the normal stablising diet it far too restrictive for more than a few days so I'm going to add chicken breasts & white fish to it
any other suggestions?
Helen

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Your Right Linz new
      #198174 - 07/21/05 09:27 AM
HL33

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Just checked the pack of Snack o Jacks & the caramel flavour comes from milk

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Re: Your Right Linz new
      #198216 - 07/21/05 11:05 AM
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I'd try just doing the regular diet (with gluten) for a while first but being extra careful to read all the labels! Cutting gluten out is very hard as it's hidden in so many things - you need an expert to tell you what - and some people do say that for a gluten exclusion diet you need to cut it out completely (as with all exclsuion diets if you slip up you have to start again) for 3 months! That's v. tough.

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Re: Your Right Linz new
      #198248 - 07/21/05 12:33 PM
HL33

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yes I found that out tonight shopping I'm finding it a bit of a double edged sword as most of the gluten free items contain milk & eggs or is high in fat perhaps I'll just lower the intake a bit & see
Helen

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Re: Worse than ever this morning new
      #198257 - 07/21/05 01:26 PM
belinda

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Forgive me for saying this, but you are eating foods off the diet and then posting messages wondering why you are sick! This is crazy!

You need to follow Heather's diet and you need to read ingredients for everything you are eating. As I suggested before, sticking to things you make yourself (using ingredients from scratch) is the best approach for now as opposed to eating prepared foods such as a chicken roll, snack o jacks, etc.

I've posted the complaint before that many people on this message board are seeking fast, simple solutions for what is a very complex condition. From personal experience, the solutions are not simple and you will need to spend much more time in food preparation and scrutinizing everything you are eating.

Unfortunately, we have been reared in a fast food society, but we (IBS people) suffer from a condition requiring a slow food approach.

That is the sad reality.

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Re: Worse than ever this morning new
      #198262 - 07/21/05 01:44 PM
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Could it be the stock cube? A lot them contain triggers. I recommend organic or homemade stock only. Also, the roll could contain suspect ingredients.

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Re: Worse than ever this morning new
      #198410 - 07/22/05 12:20 AM
HL33

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I appreciate what your saying but sometimes you need to adapt something to meet your own needs its well documented that what suits one does not nessacary others, at this present moment in time I'm in a lot of pain due to a prolapsed disk in my neck I'm taking Amitriptyline primarily a anti depressent but using as a muscle relaxant in this case & also Diazepam (Vallium), I'm not sleeping due to the muscle spasms & constant pins & needles down one arm I'm due to see a specialist on 1st August but I already know that nothing is going to happen that day as I need to be refered for am MRI scan so in the circumstances I am doing the best I can, I take your point about checking ingredients but I did find Snack o jacks & rice crispies posted on here as a safe foodS! anyway this morning I am having bread made in the bread machine yes it is with a ready made mix but I have checked & rechecked the ingredients & no dairy at all, I will also be sticking to either Organic white rice or peeled potatoes, but & your not going to like this but I will be eating plain chicken/turkey breasts & fish, if after a few days of this I haven't stablised then I will start dropping the meat etc, Im sorry it does not conform to what you feel is the diet but it is the best I can manage at the moment, you said yourself that you can't eat bananas/certain rice etc so if you stuck to the SF staples listed on page 27 (1st yr) you would also be sick aswell! everybody has to start somewhere & that may be different for everyone I'm not searching for a quick fix I've had this for 11yrs so another few months aren't going to make much difference,
Helen

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Don't stress Helen! new
      #198413 - 07/22/05 02:16 AM
Linz

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The Snack a Jacks thing was a common misconception as most other rice cake things ARE fine. I'll ask Heather to make sure they're removed from the list.

And in this country at least, Rice Krispies contain Glucose-Fructose syrup, but I don't know how high a percentage of fructose it is. Anyway, I ate Crunchy Nut cornflakes for ages with NO problems and they have the same thing.

And eating the safe protein sources is just fine! It's debateable whether that's an issue with the BTC diet at all. And anyway, that's only for a few days tops. You should be introducing other foods in this w/e anyway, so enjoy experimenting!

PS. as you get D, try Paracetamol & Codeine (NOT solpadeine as that contains caffeine) for the pain...it has a slight constipating effect which is a great side effect with D!

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Re: Don't stress Helen! new
      #198417 - 07/22/05 02:26 AM
HL33

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Trying not to get too stressed but what with my neck problem the only way I can describe how it feels is that imagine you have a 2/3yr old child walking around repeatedly sayiny "mummy mummy" tugging at your arm 24hrs a day whilst you have one of those blood pressure monitors blown up to maximum on the same arm you've then got to concentrate on what your going to do with that bag of rice & dry bread I sometimes feel like I want to jump up & down & have a hissy fit & pull out the nearest choclate bar
How many Lopermide caps do you take?
Helen

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Re: Don't stress Helen! new
      #198419 - 07/22/05 02:31 AM
Linz

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I did take one every morning and then one extra for attacks. Did that for about 6 months and it really helped me stabilise.

Now I just take them for attacks (like today ) and only use a SFS on a daily basis.

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Re: Worse than ever this morning new
      #198512 - 07/22/05 08:25 AM
belinda

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Helen:

Actually, I should have said "stick to the diet rules" as opposed to the diet itself! I personally don't agree entirely with the diet. I speak from a lot of experience since I've had IBS for 47 years, as near as I can tell!

First of all, I don't believe in eating prepared foods except in exceptional circumstances and I am amazed at some of the so-called "safe" prepared snacks listed on this website! For example, things like Lays baked potato chips and pretzels would definitely not be something I could tolerate. I guess they work for some, but not for me.

Basically I follow the diet rules on this website, but not the recipes or the prepared snack foods that are listed. Also, I believe in eating organic where possible and I avoid (like the plague) anything containing additives (even vitamin additives) and chemicals.

I have difficulty accepting this website's advice to remove poultry and fish from one's diet while stabilizing. Unless you have an inflammation in your intestines and need to be on a softer diet, I think some protein in the form of meat (not red meat, of course!) is essential to keep your blood sugar stable. I have blood sugar problems myself and would not at any time be able to remove poultry or fish from my diet.

I don't know what is in the bread mix you are using, but, of course, dairy would not be the only concern. In addition, for me, additives of any kind would also be a problem. If you are not feeling up to making bread from scratch, you could find out if there is a good Jewish bakery in your area that sells "parve" bread. That means the bread will not contain milk products (although check the other ingredients!). Actually, I've generally had no trouble finding bread in the U.K. that doesn't contain milk products. (I travel to England almost every year.) Another option is to buy "matzoh" from a supermarket that sells Jewish products. It's like crackers and often just contains white wheat flour and water (check the ingredients and phone the manufacturer if you're not sure whether the wheat flour is white although usually it is even though it may not be stated). I think it would be soothing (although not gastronomical!) to dip the matzoh in boiled water and eat it. I often carry matzoh with me as a snack.

I personally think your approach of sticking to either organic white rice or peeled potatoes and eating plain chicken/turkey breasts & fish while stabilizing is a good one. I would also recommend drinking Twinings organic peppermint tea, or just plain boiled water (very soothing) if you can't get out of the house to buy the tea. Twinings organic peppermint tea was available at Waitrose the last time I was in England.

I also find peeled, cooked carrots to be easy to digest and they add a little vegetable into your diet while stabilizing. Sometimes I make soup consisting of organic chicken breast, potato, rice, carrots and parsley when I am trying to stabilize. The warm liquid is soothing to the stomach and at the same time I get some sustenance.

However, please be aware you may not get a true result right now from attempting Heather's diet because the medications you are on could be aggravating your IBS. Some of us (especially me!) have major problems tolerating medications, in particular things like pain killers and muscle relaxants, etc.

Feel better soon!

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Neck Problem new
      #198515 - 07/22/05 08:36 AM
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I have a degenerative disk in my neck so I know somewhat of the pain you speak! I went for physiotherapy on and off, and continued to be in pain, for 15 years before finding my way to a good masseuse (expensive!) and taking up (believe it or not because I am just 86 pounds!), with the assistance of a good trainer (very expensive!), weight lifting!

I still have limited mobility in my neck, but I am no longer in pain (although I guess the potential is always there because the X-rays show I have arthritis in my neck).

During the 15 years of neck misery I had to endure the pain without pain killers because I couldn't tolerate the medication. In the end, I had to seek the expensive non-chemical solution (in the form of massage and weight lifting). Thankfully I haven't been back to the physiotherapist for my neck problem in two years now!

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Re: Worse than ever this morning new
      #198516 - 07/22/05 08:37 AM
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Yep I have been drinking peppermint tea but I must admit that its giving me acid indigestion (burning in the throat) at night so I'm sticking to Fennel & Chamomile at the moment, the bread mix I've had a reply to my email to them & the mix I bought is endorsed by The Vegan Society so hopefully its ok, I must admit I'm not happy with baked chips/crisps either but I'm not a big fan of crisps anyway so would not bother with them
Helen

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Re: Don't stress Helen! new
      #198520 - 07/22/05 08:42 AM
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Quote:

I sometimes feel like I want to jump up & down & have a hissy fit


Ooh, I didn't know anyone else said "hissy fit". I learned it from my mother. When she was really upset about something, she'd also say she "had a kitten with a glass eye and a wire tail" - if you can do a Southern US accent on the word "wire" it sounds even better.

I'm a little confused by this thread. Since you're not on Heather's Break The Cycle diet, I don't know why there would be any question about eating white meat chicken or fish - they're perfectly IBS-safe protein sources.


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Re: Don't stress Helen! new
      #198523 - 07/22/05 08:51 AM
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I'm actually supposed to be on the Break the cycle diet but I found it far too restrictive in my present condition so I'm sort of tailoring it round my needs!
Helen

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Re: Don't stress Helen! new
      #198529 - 07/22/05 09:19 AM
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Well, then, if I were in your shoes, I would just eat IBS-safe, without really worrying about maintaining any semblance of the Break The Cycle diet. I think you'd probably have better luck staying safe if you ate based on the recipes on the Recipe Board and in Heather's books than if you tried to find packaged food that was "safe". I'm not saying that because I think all packaged food is bad - I use Reduced Fat Bisquick and the ingredient list reads like a high school chemistry project. It's just that packaged foods can be a real minefield, especially when you're first starting out, whereas if you use the Recipe Index recipes, you pretty much know they're safe. Also, you can eat more healthily if you open up the whole range of IBS-safe recipes.

Just my opinion. I actually didn't do the Break The Cycle diet when I first started Heather's approach and I still felt much better very quickly. I did do the Break The Cycle diet a few months later when I was recovering from going off Heather's diet big-time. (I think I posted you about what I ate then in an earlier thread.) I guess my point is, the Break The Cycle diet can be really great, but it's not absolutely necessary to start feeling better.

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Re: Uh oh... new
      #198747 - 07/22/05 10:50 PM
HL33

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There appears to be a pattern developing on Thurs I did not eat any bread at all & friday morning although BM were loose there was no urgency also less frequent loo trips aswell, but yesterday I ate bread a few times & bingo I was up at 5am this morning needing to go to the loo urgently I've been up for just under 2 hours & been to the loo three times already & BM are between watery & loose, I thinking giving the bread a miss & seeing what happens but I'm not sure if I've given it enough time what do you think?

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No where near long enough. new
      #198750 - 07/23/05 04:15 AM
Linz

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For a standard exclusion diet you have to cut out all the possible triggers completely (so in your case no wheat, gluten or yeast at all, not just less bread) for about a month...and 3 months is more reliable in the case of gluten. And then you add the triggers back in, one at a time, with a month between trying each new one.

Plus atm you're unstable so symptoms day to day aren't neccesarily a good indicator of what your triggers are.

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No peppermint or ginger... new
      #198751 - 07/23/05 04:17 AM
Linz

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...for you...or for any of us with GERDs/reflux. Are you on meds for that?

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Re: No where near long enough. new
      #198765 - 07/23/05 06:02 AM
HL33

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Perhaps I'll stick with the bread for a while then, I've certainly gones days without bread etc before & my symptons have not got better so as said perhaps its just a coincidence that I was ok yesterday
Helen

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Re: No peppermint or ginger... new
      #198767 - 07/23/05 06:05 AM
HL33

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No meds I've only had it before when I was pregnant & drank fruit juice, I did'nt drink Pep.t yesterday just stuck to cham & Fen & did not get reflux last night so I'll drop the P.tea
Helen

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