something crappy--a little gross but....
#178920 - 05/13/05 10:20 PM
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i know this is a tired-and-true question but i have been having some really really bad C and TONS of horrible gas. bloating hasnt really been the problem--just the gas and C. i noticed more C after i started my 2nd acacia bag, and since then ive become a little lazy with my scheduled acacia tea-times. my stool [and im sorry if this is really gross or T.M.I. buuuuutt] is very minimal, when i *do* have a BM and ive noticed its also changed color from a normal dk.brown to more of a mahogany [sorry  ] since i had to use a laxative last week, ive had some really bad-smelling gas. even if i let a tiny out, it fills the room! this particularly sucks b/c the more i hold it in, the worse it gets--thus, the worse the smell. im trying to keep on schedule w/my acacia, SFS, my new miralax and balancing those out between my new fiber bars. if i get too much fiber i cant go either--for some reason. and since theres 14 grams in the bars, if imix that with acacia, i can easily OD. i asked my DOC about magnesium and psyllium and am veering away from the first but is there something else i could try? maybe some wierd freaky remedy?? i read an old post about GRANNY SMITH APPLE JUICE but am scared i will prepare the juice wrong and it will not work. any suggestions are welcome!! thanks you guys! *HUGS*
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that Acacia seems to make them more constipated and "windy". Personally, I would think maybe you might try another type of SFS like psylium. Or even do 1/2 acacia and 1/2 psylium. You might take the psylium at night so that your bloating occurs during your sleep. Many C folks seem to need a dose of an insoluble fiber supplement to help push things out.
Did you see this recent thread web page I'm wondering why you don't want to take a magnesium supplement? It is very safe to take magnesium supplements. Many of us do. It is safe and good for us C folks. I personally take magnesium glyconate and magnesium malate everyday as I have read where these are the best absorbed type of magnesium.
It also sounds like you are ODing on fiber and supplements! Wow, with acacia, miralax, 14 gram fiber bars, you may be clogging yourself up, girl! You would need to drink an awful lot of water to get all that stuff moving through you. It may be just sitting inside of you like a clogged sink. And this is probably not making the gas any better. How much acacia are you taking?
Oh, one more post you may find interesting. web page
Do you have a juicer at home already? This recipe for granny smith apple juice seems pretty easy. Just core the apples and put them through the juicer. That's it. Don't think you can mess it up! You can peel the apple too if you want. I don't know if it would make a difference for the BM effect. Maybe someone else might know that has tried it?
If you find anything that helps, please post it. I am struggling myself with this same situation. Also, Renewlife makes a fiber supplement that is 1/2 SF and 1/2 insoluble fiber, which may help you more than straight SF??? Or maybe try flax seed meal? I'm just throwing out suggestions. I have no idea if any of these would work. Maybe a more knowledgeable C person could help you. I'm still in your situation. Very constipated and gassy. But I have not tried any of these methods yet except for taking magnesium and the flax. SFS make me more bloated, gassy, and don't even help with the BMs.  That's why I'm suggesting maybe you need to try a SF that has a little more IF added to it. I might try that too.
When I get absolutely desperate, I take some mineral oil or Casacara. Not often, mind you. Just when I can't take it anymore. And I've recently begun drinking licorice tea. But don't know if that is safe either. But nothing else has worked. I just read in a herbal book where licorice tea is good for BMs but that it can cause bloating.
I don't have any answers, just throwing out some options. Maybe you can't "handle" any SFS??? There are also a lot of people on the boards who have not been helped by any soluble fiber supplement (and in fact, had worse symptoms) so they just rely on diet.
Let me know if you find an answer. I would love to know how to manage my C and gas!
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The green apple remedy really does work. I've done it. First thing in the am on an empty tummy. It's a REALLY good cleanser. I'm IBS D, but sometimes I get on one of those internal hygeine kicks and do a fresh juicing fast to try and hyper-alkalize my system. This is gross, but I like the green apple mixed with fresh beet and celery and wheatgrass. But green apple is all it takes.
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Will's recipe doesn't specify whether the apples should be peeled or unpeeled. I am definitely getting a juicer! I'll add it to my growing appliance list which now includes a food processor for all Wind's wonderful concoctions. 
BTW, do you have a big processor or a mini? Any suggestions on brand names?
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It depends on your juicer. Also, be sure your green apples are organic especially if your juicer doesn't specify re: peeling. Just seed it and follow the specifics of your juicer.
Re: food processors. Just your standard average sized food processor will do. Black and Decker or whatever! (Unless you're opening up an IBS restaurant!) 
Have fun. It really is a lot of fun. I'd still be on a "concentration camp" diet without my toys, quite likely. (i.e. rice and water) I encourage you to choose organic produce if it is within your means to do so. It makes a huge difference.
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Okay. I just thought the peeled might be safer but the unpeeled might be more efective. Didn't realize it depended on the juicer. What brand juicer do you have? One that requires peeling? Maybe I should post this is the recipe exchange. Didn't mean to overtake poor Little Bear's post. Sorry, Litte Bear. Please forgive me!
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OO yum!
#179026 - 05/14/05 03:06 PM
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actually that sounds really good! id love to get into all those kinds of things but its hard to have them constantly at my fingertips. so far im doing pretty well making smoothies using froz.berries and FF vanilla soy.
so the apple juice really works?? i feel like im at the end of my rope and that im the one-of-a-kind IBSer in which nothing works for me. i would *so* love to be C-free *dreams about it* sooo you juice 4 peeled granny apples and pop them in the juicer? 3X a day?? how many days would you need to keep this up for? i just really need to get things moving in there. thanks for the tips! im gonna try soon when i go shopping next!
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HEY!
ironically enough i was able to find Wills orginal post about the green-apple juice!! heres the link to Wills orig.post im not sure if the apples should be peeled or not but if youre sensitive to skins, go with the peeling--you can read thru the thread and see b/c i remember reading about the peeling, and i think it works either way. im not very knowledged in the coming of new appliances so im not sure what brands to recommend. maybe go to bed,bath and beyonds website?? see what kinds they have??
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right on sister!! organic produce all the way!!
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aw hey, dont even worry about it! glad to read thru all of the feedback!
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hey cyndy--
im gonna check out both those pages in depth when i get home later. when i mentioned magnesium and psyllium to my doc, he said to beware of the mag as it has more of a lax.effect. when i suggested its use in milk-of-magnesia, he agreed that the effects are related. he didnt really say anything about the psyllium but im guessing he didnt know all the much about it too--as he was clueless on acacia. needless to say he recommended i *stay* on my current SFS [fibercons and jewel stool softener] but im quickly leaning towards a big fat NO b/c they really are not helping!
i DO feel like a clogged sink--even my gas feels clogged! if you can imagine that feeling--im sure you can we all can! im taking 2 TBSP/acacia per day. i usually mix it in tea but the past few days ive been adding it into a FF soy-fruit smoothie b/c its just easier. my tea takes too long to heat up and cools off way to fast. im not sure how many fiber grams of acacia that is but you may be right about me having too much fiber! ive been notorious for getting clogged w/too many fibercons and not enough stool softeners. i really dont want to take them anymore b/c they dont taste and feel very natural at all to me or my body!
i only recently came across the fiber bars so im still doing trial-and-error with them. i dont like the choc.one b/c its too rich and the others are made with walnuts but i figured the fiber-count is too good to compare so im trying to deal with the walnuts given the small amount in the actual bar. i went to renew lifes website to check out some other products looking for a natural cleansing so i dont feel like im hurting my bod more with harsh lax effects and i came across a fiberSMART powder and a 2-step program called Intestinal Bowel Support [IBS hehe] but i think my problem is more about C. getting thru the C is my first prob to tackle. i think the fiber powder will do nicely and its vegan which suites me perfectly i also saw a gasSTOP pill that i may try too if i cant rid myself of this horrid gas! the capsule is made of vegetables instead of gelatin so i can use that one too!!
as for the half-SF-half-IF, i think thats a good combo and would like to learn more about it. personally ive never had troubles with IF foods like lettuce, raw tomatoes, apple skins or juice so maybe im approaching this all wrong. what is psyllium and how do i take it? is it a powder i can mix into water/juice/tea?? im going to be trying the granny-smith apple juice, if you saw that post, b/c i really need to get all *this* out of me! i feel so uncomfortable!! posting really helps me stay in tune with my healing path so ill try to post as much as i can and hopefully between all of those things, i can find a solution and hopefully it would/could work for you too!! sorry about the long post but thanks for giving me so much information! ill talk to you soon!
little bear!
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If you're really keen on it, go buy a bag of organic grannies and do it first thing in the a.m. Reminder: slug it back a.s.a.p., i.e. straight after juicing before it has a split second to turn brown. Don't o.d. on the stuff, though. I expect that a one time a.m. shot will do the job. You'll know by how your body responds. Re: peeling the apples. My juicer doesn't require me to peel apples; it does a great job at separating all that stuff. Just cut and core. One thing that I like to do to alkalize my system is to drink the juice of a lemon upon waking and before meals.
Green apple is a really good cleanser--it has to be green.
One note re: soy. It is known to be really constipating for some individuals. I just thought I'd mention this because you seem to consume a lot of soy. Note: I am not being critical, just observational.
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ohh no, thank you for your observing  theres still alot of things in my diet i need to work out/organize. so what is it about the apples that gets things moving exactly?? what size glass does it need to fill? do you need to drink water afterwards to wash it down better?? i doubt ill drink too much--i need to do it on a day that i dont work b/c my hours are pretty much all day *BUT* luckily its only on the weekends thank you so much for all the advice youve given me! im anxious to try the juice, i think i will on monday! bye!!
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how much juice do you need to drink? Or how many green apples should you use?
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i think the recipe said 3-4 small-medium sized apples??? you could probably eye-ball it though when you have the apples next to your juicer.
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I think it has to do with the acidity and it's cleansing effect on the gallbladder/liver, etc. I'm not sure precisely though. I think it also may be related to the apple cider vinegar treatment/cure that some swear by. The juice is high in pectins and enzymes...it's not fermented the way vinegar is. It's kind of the physical effect of cleaning the body the way you might clean a kettle or a coffee pot--good for removing residue without harming the lining. At least that was my experience. The juice sort of
harnesses and traps old crap/particles. You know how grannies smell clean? Just be sure to drink it straight away, before it turns brown. It's quite a "live" juice. Wait a second, I think green apples may be high in malic acid? I'm not sure. Let me know how it goes, should you do it.
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For gas I use 1 tsp. Cumin with 1/4 tsp. coriander powder with a touch of stevia for sweetener in warm water and GULP. It REALLY works for me. Give it a try
Melissa
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hey thanks! that sounds easy---does it taste good? or spicey from the cumin? do you drink it before a gas-attack or during or after??
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I drink it either when I'm having alot of gas to calm everything down and when I know I have to be around a lot of people and don't want to take any chances. It helps with the bloating as well. No it doesn't taste the best but I just stick it in about 4 oz of water and drink the gritty stuff down. If that doesn't totally work for you there is one more herb you can add the it but I have never had too. Good luck. I know how uncomfortable that symtom can be-:
Take care
Melissa
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Isn't this herb too "spicey" for our systems? I don't get along with spices so well. Can you handle other spices? Maybe it's only an option for those who can handle spices?
Hope not, because I would love to try this! My gas and bloat is outrageous.
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that sound delious to have. jasper
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ive had ibs for 8 years now. im learning alot on this web board. thanks again everyone
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mjz im going to try that for gas. is that for gas pains to?
jasper
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ive had ibs for 8 years now. im learning alot on this web board. thanks again everyone
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hey thanks! im gonna write that down and keep it for later-on..im sure ill have a need for it soon!! whats the other herb that you can add---?
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