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Need to get some things off my chest
      #162114 - 03/19/05 02:52 AM
roid

Reged: 11/21/03
Posts: 33
Loc: united kingdom

I've been visiting here since i discovered the site roughly about 18 months ago, whilst searching for help with ibs. I have drawn lots of optimism from the wonderful people here, and cried when read about others suffering. Howerever its only now i feel i need to post. I dont really know where to begin, so i apologise if my post is a little disjointed. Well here goes:

I graduated from university in 2002 at the age of 20, not knowing what i wanted to do career wise. I took a year off to look for the perfect job that didn't arise, and spent much of that time either infront of the computer playing games or the television. This did disturb my parents and my girlfriend all of whom said that the longer i left it the harder it would be. But as usual i knew best :/ I gradually became more and more lethargic. Then the ibs hit:

The first time i had any indication of things being wrong in the gut area, i was on a camping holiday with my girlfriend (whom i'd being seeing for about 3 years)about 18 months ago, one night after eating out a pub, i had really bad abdominal pains and had diarrhea 3 or 4 times that night. I put it down to some dodgy food, and got on with the holiday. Then a few days later the same thing happened. Upon returning home (i still live with my parents) things settled back to normal for a while, but soon i was needing to go to the bathroom after every meal, and depending on what i'd eaten the stools would either be normal or very loose. Things continually got worse, until i eventually admitted i had a problem, and went to the doctors. He was very understanding, and advised that i try cutting out the typical things that people are intolerant to; ie dairy and wheat. So i did this, but things didnt really improve, so i went back and he suggested anti-spasmodic tablets and refered me to a specialist. The tablets i tried along with keeping track of the food i was eating and how i felt. Still no luck. I was starting to loose weight fast, which was of great concern to the doctor,me, my family and my girlfriend. So i started tinkering with my diet, taking tips from this site and other sources. Things weren't really getting any better, and i had lost most of my appetite, so found it hard to eat enough to start putting on weight. It got to the stage where i had little or no energy and couldn't go out to the pub or the cinema or stuff like that with my girlfriend. Sometimes i did manage to motivate myself to make the effort to be with her, but usually felt bad enough to come home early. Because of feeling this way, i couldnt be there for her and missed her graduation ball. This caused a large argument, and we split before that night. I got into a really big stress and had a bad diarrhea attack, and ended up calling her at about 3am to tell her how much i loved her and how much i was sorry. We agreed to try and work things out.

Meanwhile i had been to hosptial numerous times to see the specialist, who performed both an endoscopy and a barium scan. Both of which returned normal results. Hence i was labeled with IBS. I slowly started to recover, introducting more foods, and putting weight on. I visited a Kinesiologist (who was recommeded by one of my friends parents) who did muscle testing to find what my body was intolerent to. The two main things were wheat and the belladonna family (tomatoes potatoes tobacco etc), hence she recommended i moniter the intake of those substances. Then she tried to help improve my bodys resistance to these things via acupressure, and she said that lines of my 'chi' were blocked and not flowing correctly. My health gradually improved and the previously strained relationship with my girlfriend (because i couldn't do the things we wanted to do together, like going on holiday, to the pub etc) slowly started to improve too. I attended a job centre, and was sent on a training course in the middle of birmingham, to which i had to travel by train. Anybody that has any knowledge of the british rail service knows what a pain that can be! However i was there for about 5 months, learning new skills and meeting new people, slowly regaining the confidence i had lost during past year or so. Things were looking good for once!!

I should be so lucky

My girlfriend has always been the traveling type, and has always expressed her wish to travel the world, which before i became ill didnt really interest me. Anyway, i was on this course, coping really well, controlling my ibs, only really suffering when i neglected to eat enough or the right things. My girlfriend (i might aswell mention her name, Louise) really wanted to go away on holiday, and as some of our friends were going too, she went with them. I couldn't go because of commitments to the course and i wasnt really sure i could cope. So i continued as normal for the week she was away, talking to her briefly on the phone at night. We had been good friends before things progressed to a more serious level, and it was hard being apart. I was coping well i thought, until the Thursday, with her coming back either the friday or saturday. I remember it like it was yesterday...

It was September last year,I was standing at the platform and the train was just pulling in, when i felt suddenly like things were too much for me. I could feel my heart pounding, my breathing became shallow, a knot formed in my belly and i felt like i was going to feint. I also had a certain dreamlike feeling of disaccosiation and of impending doom and dread, i dunno its hard to describe. So i had the friday off, and felt alot better. Then when monday came around i started to feel those same feelings, but not wanting to give up so easily, i made myself take the train journey. Once i was there and got my mind occupied those feelings dissapeared. The following day, i had the same feelings before the journey, but this time i couldn't shake it once i was there. I got so bad i had to go home. This continued for a few days, until i was a nervous wreck. There was no way i could go in again. So i had to withdraw from that course, and lost the money i was getting from that training.

My next cause of action was to visit the doctor again. He was very sympathetic and advised me to try a natural remedy like st johns wort, which i did, but to no avail. I then tried hypnotism. Initally i was really hopeful, because she said she had a really good track record with ibs sufferers, and i must admit i felt very good for a few hours after the treatment sessions. I did everything i was asked to, practiced the techniques she taught me, listened to the cds she gave me. But it really didnt seem like the thing for me. I completed the course with the hypnotheripist, but felt no great benefit, apart from the deep breathing technique we used. I would still try and go out with Louise and my friends, but would get really nervous and have to go to the toilet before going out, and still feeling bad when i was there, being not very good company obviously. So sometimes i took the easy option and said i didnt feel well enough to go out. Again me and Louise started to drift apart. She felt unprotected and unsupported, and guilty for feeling these things. She saw our friends and how happy they are, with some planning to get married this year, and other planning on moving and setting up their own buisnesses. And here she was with me,who sometimes didnt have that optimism and no great desire to plan for the future. I was pretty depressive and that got her down too. I went to the doctor again, and discussed these anxiety problems that i now seemed to be suffering from we agreed to try a beta blocker. I was really scared. There seemed no logic behind these new panic attacks. Sometimes just going to my nans, or visting Louise at her house (she lives with her parents too) triggered the panic. Things that i had been doing for years suddenly became increasingly difficult to do. Things came to a head in early december with Louise and she couldnt cope with our relationship anymore. And because of the nature of my illness(es) i couldnt say to her 'just give me a few weeks and i'll be fine'. So we split for a few weeks which i foudn incredibly hard, because we'd been together for over 5 years now since we both 17/18. This was the only serious relationship we'd both been in. However i just couldn't let go. She'd become an integral part of me coping with my problems. Sometimes i think with out her i might have been in a much worse situation. I love her more life itself, i would gladly die for her, but i couldn't do simple things like plan for the future or go on holidays with her. Everyday i would call her and we would talk, sometimes for hours about things, never really reaching any conclusions. But slowly we drifted back together, either be it out of habit or because she felt guilty at leaving me while i was in this state, or because she did feel we could make it work. We fell into the old comfortable routine of going to each others houses and not really going out socially. A holiday that had been arranged to America for 3 weeks was approaching, which had been booked the previous february when i was still grappling with my ibs and couldnt commit to, either physically or financially. We made things work prior to that, neither of us wanting to leave our relationship on a bad note. So she goes with 3 of our friends, and i miss her terribly. She phones me once a week and says how much she misses me. Because valentines day was during this holiday i sent her a card(she had given me one the night she left). When she gets back the first few nights are fantastic, we just cant keep our hands to ourselves. Its like we only just started going out again. Things cooled off a little, but for the next 2 weeks things were going well i thought, we saw each other most nights and was enjoying each other company. Then things got ugly again. It was all triggered because it was comming up to that time of the month for louise ( and she recently always gets very emotional at this time) and she attended a works party, to which i wasnt invited (or she didnt invite me because she knew i'd probably say no, as usual). Anyway, during this works party i learn that somebody asks her to dance, which she accepts. Now she has mentioned this person before, as she had got talking to him during a previous work meal, and found they had a few things in common. She tells me that this dancing caused emotions to stir inside of her that she hasnt felt in a long time (we had never danced because before my illness i was a quite a shy, self concious, unwilling to try new things type of person). She asures me nothing else happened and i believe her. But it demonstated again, that she really misses those things that i cant give her now, and also that she maybe happy with somebody else. She tells me this is the first time shes been attracted to someone else whilst we've been together, and honestly i cant blame her. Our relationship has been bad, with me only able to do limited things and make possibly empty promises that i will do these things 'when im better'. She's heard this all before. But ive never been well enough to do them, and prove to her we have a future. This was all last week now.

Its been really hard for me the past week. I've been comming off the beta blockers, from which i might be getting some side effects from, its hard to tell with my all this going on my head. I have toruble sleeping, reduced appetite, highly emotional and getting hot flushes. I'm due to go back to the doctors this tuesday to possibly try anti depressants, which im both worried and excited about at the same time. I have high hopes that we can find one that help me, but im scared at the possible side effects.

I really want this relationship to work, i do love her dearly, and i want to make up to her all the hurt i've cause though my illnesses, because she says she still hurts and is angry at the things we have missed doing together (like her graduation ball, which was nearly a year ago). She says she doesn't know how she feels anymore. She says she still loves me, and cares for me very deeply, but shes not sure weather that 'spark' is there and how much she 'is in love' with me. She feels like all her energy has been used up, and she doent know weather she can give our relationship another chance. She's scared that she may be waiting around for me for the rest of her life, and if she does give us another chance, the same thing may happen a few months down the line. Or we do sort things out and i recover, then 10/20 years down the line, when we have commitments like a house and children, i relapse and she has to carry the whole burden alone. We both just dont know what to do. I find it really hard to leave her alone, and for the past week ive called her each day, i hope that through continued communication we can work something out, but sometimes shes tired of talking about it. Shes heard it all before, i cant offer her anything new. I just want everything to be back how it was. I really think we can recapture what we had, but she just doesn't know. Everybody is telling her we shouldn't be togther because its making her unhappy and that shes only 23, she should be out enjoying herself. I wish i had the choice

This week i've been trying really hard to get myself over this anxiety. Tuesday, i felt the best i had in ages, because of comming off the beta blockers i think, i was almost euphoric! For the first time in a long time, i made plans for the future, i decided to get out of the house at least once everyday (not just for a little walk round the block like i had been doing), to go to the doctors and give whatever we decided to be the correct medication a fair go, then when i was happy with that, get a little part time job, or do some free work experience somewhere. Having never had even a little job, this would really be a massive step for me.

Since tuesday i havent been as good, but i've still made myself go out, and generally the feelings of anxiety have passed, but still the next time i get the same. I'm hoping the anti depressant drugs will help with this. The constant worrying about me and louise doesnt help, but i am clinging to the slim hope that we can make things work. But im also trying to prepare myself for the worst.

I'm sure there are things ive missed out, but its all such a jumble in my head, we've been through such alot together and im desperate to get better, even though i know even when im better there maybe a chance we cant recapture what we had.

I'm really grateful if you've sat there and read though all that, i'd be really appriative if anybody has got any advice or has had similar problems, both relationship wise, and illness. Currently im finding it hard to see the light, although everybody is telling me it is there.

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Re: Need to get some things off my chest new
      #162145 - 03/19/05 07:07 AM
Linz

Reged: 09/01/03
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Well IBS and anxiety are both things that can be controlled! So keep your chin up.

I've had great success with a-d's, but you might find that an anti-anxiety med might suit you better. Have a talk to your doc about all the options.

Also, with IBS, it is very helpful and also good for your relationship, to get your partner working with you. Cooking together, finding places you can go to and things you can do together, etc.

I hope some of this helps. I'm not very good at reading lots on a computer screen, so I might have missed something in your post! So reply back and we'll see how we can help.

PS. Are you on this diet?

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Re: Need to get some things off my chest new
      #162148 - 03/19/05 07:14 AM
LittleLisa

Reged: 06/22/04
Posts: 2018
Loc: USA

Roid! Hello and welcome. Well it seems that there were 23 views of your post and no responses so I think I'll be the first to attempt to absorb your long post and respond.

Please feel that you can vent or get anything off your chest any time on these boards. That is what we are hear for. I'm sure you being a guy and all it has to be hard to not be able to talk to anyone about your troubles but your girlfriend and perhaps that is why she is overwhelmed with your issues.

I'm responding because I in some way sort of went through what you are going through. I started my IBS troubles when I was about 21 (I'm now 37). It was also at the same time that my hormones were going whacky. I had been dating my husband for about 7 years and all hell broke loose at 21. Yes, we were also high school sweethearts! I started to treat him as the only thing in my life, never wanting to be away from him, wanted to move in with him and just be with him 24/7. Well, when you are 21 you are supposed to be doing fun things with other people, having your own things to do and I just didn't. Long story short, he broke up with me, telling me that it was the best thing for us both and believe it or not, it saved us. I grew as a person and learned that I could live without him and I actually started dating someone else. Well, needless to say, he came back to me and we've been married for almost 14 years now. So there is hope for you and Louise

Ok, so now the IBS issues. I don't think that so much was our issue. It was the anxiety that I had that bothered him more. He just couldn't deal with the fact that I had a "mental illness". I saw a psychologist for a few years who helped me with my anxiety and I too did all the CD's and relaxation methods and I overcame the anxiety without drugs. (I was lucky in that respect but there is certainly nothing wrong with it if you have to take a medication to be well). Even though I've overcome the anxiety I still have major attacks of IBS which he has been able to deal with. Yes, it does get annoying to him waiting for me at the Lowe's(hardware store)in the bathroom for 15 or so minutes tending to our two children while he waits. Or having to stop at the nearest gas station on the way home from a shopping trip so that I can go since the dinner I ate did me in But, he loves me and is willing to deal with that with me. I don't doubt that your girlfriend doesn't love you but she is young and I agree with you, she and you both need to be doing fun things at your age and it is tough to do when you have the anxiety about the IBS and it prevents you from doing stuff.

My advice is to just let her do her thing. She will come back to you in time if it's really meant to be. (I'm sure you've heard that plenty!)But seriously, love will overcome an illness. There are many of people on this site that have very supportive significant others. It's just something I think that you have to grow to understand and cope with. We've all felt like you at one time or another and believe me you will overcome your issues It takes time to just accept that this will be your life and you will learn to deal with it and so may she(Louise). If she doesn't then I'm sorry to say that she's not the one for you. You need someone who is supportive and in time she may become that person but until then, it sounds like she's causing you some of your anxiety so maybe it's best to just let things happen slowly and maybe being away from each other for some time might be good for the both of you as hard as it might be.

I hope this helped in some small way. Hang in there. It will get better. I hope some others have some advice for you too.

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~~~Lisa~~~


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Re: Need to get some things off my chest new
      #162181 - 03/19/05 08:54 AM
Sunflower5

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Roid,
Hang in there. It takes a long time to get IBS and anxiety under control, and even then there are set backs. You need to make sure your partner knows what is going on. Has she learned about IBS and anxiety? Has she read Heather's book? Sometimes it takes a while for non-sufferers to understand. Be patient with yourself. None of it is your fault. All of it will make you stronger and more compassionate.
You are in my prayers,
Monica


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Re: Need to get some things off my chest new
      #162183 - 03/19/05 08:56 AM
roid

Reged: 11/21/03
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Loc: united kingdom

Thanks to you all, nice to know some people have actually read through all that, and taken the time to post.

I am trying to follow heathers diet as best i can, i try and eat lots of rice and potatoes (usually on alternating days). I do find it quite hard to make up my fruit and veg each day, as i suffer quite badly from trapped wind (i have fennel tea to help that). My typical daily intake of fruit and veg is sometimes some salad with my lunch(cucumber / chinese leaves / celery / tomato), the a portion of peas with my evening meal, then a little bit of fruit in the evening( pineapple , peaches or a tropical mix in their own juices).

Its the evening meal veg i am the most stuck for, most of the things i've tried give me bad wind :/

I do take vitamin suppliments aswell as garlic.

As for my relationship with Louise, im trying really hard to give her the space that she needs. I really dont want to smother her, and like you say, if she really does care for me that much, then if we do split / take a break, she will come back. Just doesnt make this time any easier



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Re: Need to get some things off my chest new
      #162191 - 03/19/05 09:32 AM
lalala

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I'm sorry things have been so rough for you! But I'm glad you shared your story because you'll get a lot of great advice and support from the people on this board. Please know that you're not alone and, as everyone else has put it, things do get better.

I've also been dealing with anxiety (it started the year after I was diagnosed with IBS; I spent the last nine years trying to take care of it without drugs). I finally realized I couldn't do it on my own and have recently started taking an anti-anxiety medication and seeing a counselor. It's only been three weeks, but I've been noticing improvement.

How well does your girlfriend understand IBS and anxiety? Would it be possible for you to see a counselor together? Does she understand that you're suffering a lot more than she is? I'm sorry to bombard you with so many questions, and I don't want to sound harsh! I'm sure she's a good person because of how much you care about her. Maybe you should use this time apart from your girlfriend to focus on getting well. Or get her involved in your recovery. However, don't focus on getting better for her sake--do it so that you can live your life.

Best wishes,
Maria

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      #162192 - 03/19/05 09:38 AM
roid

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i dont really think she does understand what im experiencing either with ibs or anxiety.

In the past when we've had troubles shes done her best to be optimistic, and to try to help me. But all these efforts dont seem to have worked, so maybe she starts losing hope too. Shes admitted to me that sometimes she feels helpless to help me.

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      #162199 - 03/19/05 10:07 AM
lalala

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It must be really difficult for her to see you suffering and not know how to help. Does she know that when you can't go out with her, it's not because you don't want to be with her but because you're truly not feeling well? Do you think, since she doesn't understand the anxiety part of IBS, that she may feel you just don't want to do the things she likes? There was a period where I didn't want to go to the movies because I was afraid of having an anxiety attack in the theater--and my boyfriend loves going out to movies. I could see where he might have thought I didn't like his choice of movie or just going to the movies in general. Maybe she needs to be reassured it isn't her and that just by being with you and loving you she's already helping you a great deal.

I think it's good that you can talk about it with her and she admits it's a difficult situation for her. Your openness and honesty shows how strong you really are. I know it was really hard for me to talk to my friends, family, and even my boyfriend about IBS and anxiety. I think it was a mix of pride and embarrassment that kept me from sharing. But once I explained what was wrong and how I knew it was affecting our lives, my boyfriend turned out to be really supportive and extremely patient. (I would like to think I'd be the same if roles were reversed, but who knows?) I think the good thing about IBS, if you can find anything good about it, is that it makes you a more compassionate person.

Please keep us updated on your progress with the diet and the AD, if you decide to take one.

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      #162209 - 03/19/05 11:49 AM
Little Minnie

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I wanted to respond this morning but DH was hovering and I couldn't get my thoughts together. It is not uncommon for men especially to have the symptoms you do. There seems to be a sort of 'MOnday morning' IBS men get with serious D and work-related stress. I really think tryings a-ds will help. I know the side-effects can be irritating, but I think you have to work at finding one you like. Definitely. Also you have to follow Heather's diet to the letter, especially at first. The diet is very good at controlling D and Ders can have immediate results when sticking to it.

I haven't had the sort of anxiety you have but I think all IBSers can relate to the feelings of wanting to stay home. I certainly have that. I think getting the D under control will definitely help the anxiety.

I am going to level with you though about relationships. I have been with my husband since 16 and he is supportive about IBS, but I have learned that you do need that spark and both partners need it. You also cannot force it. And the real way to show love for someone is by being unselfish. Life is too short to struggle with unsupportive people. I think you should spend some time by yourself, like would it be possible to camp/hike on your own? and meditate about your needs. The only way to get yourself back on track is to concentrate on making yourself feel better and knowing everything else will come along with that. You can tell me I'm whacked and that is fine but since IBS is lifelong (although very controllable with Heather's diet and medication) you have to have someone who will understand and want to support you unselfishly. I maybe cynical (for a romance novelist) but that is how I see it. Good luck with everything! and tell us how the a.d. search goes.

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IBS-A for 20 years with terrible bloating and gas. On the diet since April 2004. Remember this from Heather's information pages:
"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!

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A thought... new
      #162218 - 03/19/05 12:12 PM
atomic rose

Reged: 06/01/04
Posts: 7013
Loc: Maine (IBS-A stable since July '05!)

Salad is often impossibly difficult for most IBS'ers to digest at all, even ones who have been stable for a long time. You might want to stop eating raw vegetables, they can be a particular problem with IBS-D'ers... and they might even be causing your gas problems later in the day as well.

If you like some sort of cold vegetable, cold cooked vegetables with a bit of SAFE low-fat salad dressing is actually a whole lot tastier than it sounds. Carrots are especially good this way, and they're one of the safest vegetables for us.

At this point in time, you should be more concerned with eating soluble fiber foods (pasta, rice, potatoes, sweet potatoes, carrots, mango, bananas, applesauce, etc etc from Heather's list) than insolubles. Not getting enough solubles could be why you're continuing to have symptoms.

Do you take a soluble fiber supplement?

I wish I knew what to tell you with Louise, but unfortunately, my relationships (and my attitudes towards them) have been quite a bit different. I hope the two of you can work things out!

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