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Need to get some things off my chest
      #162114 - 03/19/05 02:52 AM
roid

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Loc: united kingdom

I've been visiting here since i discovered the site roughly about 18 months ago, whilst searching for help with ibs. I have drawn lots of optimism from the wonderful people here, and cried when read about others suffering. Howerever its only now i feel i need to post. I dont really know where to begin, so i apologise if my post is a little disjointed. Well here goes:

I graduated from university in 2002 at the age of 20, not knowing what i wanted to do career wise. I took a year off to look for the perfect job that didn't arise, and spent much of that time either infront of the computer playing games or the television. This did disturb my parents and my girlfriend all of whom said that the longer i left it the harder it would be. But as usual i knew best :/ I gradually became more and more lethargic. Then the ibs hit:

The first time i had any indication of things being wrong in the gut area, i was on a camping holiday with my girlfriend (whom i'd being seeing for about 3 years)about 18 months ago, one night after eating out a pub, i had really bad abdominal pains and had diarrhea 3 or 4 times that night. I put it down to some dodgy food, and got on with the holiday. Then a few days later the same thing happened. Upon returning home (i still live with my parents) things settled back to normal for a while, but soon i was needing to go to the bathroom after every meal, and depending on what i'd eaten the stools would either be normal or very loose. Things continually got worse, until i eventually admitted i had a problem, and went to the doctors. He was very understanding, and advised that i try cutting out the typical things that people are intolerant to; ie dairy and wheat. So i did this, but things didnt really improve, so i went back and he suggested anti-spasmodic tablets and refered me to a specialist. The tablets i tried along with keeping track of the food i was eating and how i felt. Still no luck. I was starting to loose weight fast, which was of great concern to the doctor,me, my family and my girlfriend. So i started tinkering with my diet, taking tips from this site and other sources. Things weren't really getting any better, and i had lost most of my appetite, so found it hard to eat enough to start putting on weight. It got to the stage where i had little or no energy and couldn't go out to the pub or the cinema or stuff like that with my girlfriend. Sometimes i did manage to motivate myself to make the effort to be with her, but usually felt bad enough to come home early. Because of feeling this way, i couldnt be there for her and missed her graduation ball. This caused a large argument, and we split before that night. I got into a really big stress and had a bad diarrhea attack, and ended up calling her at about 3am to tell her how much i loved her and how much i was sorry. We agreed to try and work things out.

Meanwhile i had been to hosptial numerous times to see the specialist, who performed both an endoscopy and a barium scan. Both of which returned normal results. Hence i was labeled with IBS. I slowly started to recover, introducting more foods, and putting weight on. I visited a Kinesiologist (who was recommeded by one of my friends parents) who did muscle testing to find what my body was intolerent to. The two main things were wheat and the belladonna family (tomatoes potatoes tobacco etc), hence she recommended i moniter the intake of those substances. Then she tried to help improve my bodys resistance to these things via acupressure, and she said that lines of my 'chi' were blocked and not flowing correctly. My health gradually improved and the previously strained relationship with my girlfriend (because i couldn't do the things we wanted to do together, like going on holiday, to the pub etc) slowly started to improve too. I attended a job centre, and was sent on a training course in the middle of birmingham, to which i had to travel by train. Anybody that has any knowledge of the british rail service knows what a pain that can be! However i was there for about 5 months, learning new skills and meeting new people, slowly regaining the confidence i had lost during past year or so. Things were looking good for once!!

I should be so lucky

My girlfriend has always been the traveling type, and has always expressed her wish to travel the world, which before i became ill didnt really interest me. Anyway, i was on this course, coping really well, controlling my ibs, only really suffering when i neglected to eat enough or the right things. My girlfriend (i might aswell mention her name, Louise) really wanted to go away on holiday, and as some of our friends were going too, she went with them. I couldn't go because of commitments to the course and i wasnt really sure i could cope. So i continued as normal for the week she was away, talking to her briefly on the phone at night. We had been good friends before things progressed to a more serious level, and it was hard being apart. I was coping well i thought, until the Thursday, with her coming back either the friday or saturday. I remember it like it was yesterday...

It was September last year,I was standing at the platform and the train was just pulling in, when i felt suddenly like things were too much for me. I could feel my heart pounding, my breathing became shallow, a knot formed in my belly and i felt like i was going to feint. I also had a certain dreamlike feeling of disaccosiation and of impending doom and dread, i dunno its hard to describe. So i had the friday off, and felt alot better. Then when monday came around i started to feel those same feelings, but not wanting to give up so easily, i made myself take the train journey. Once i was there and got my mind occupied those feelings dissapeared. The following day, i had the same feelings before the journey, but this time i couldn't shake it once i was there. I got so bad i had to go home. This continued for a few days, until i was a nervous wreck. There was no way i could go in again. So i had to withdraw from that course, and lost the money i was getting from that training.

My next cause of action was to visit the doctor again. He was very sympathetic and advised me to try a natural remedy like st johns wort, which i did, but to no avail. I then tried hypnotism. Initally i was really hopeful, because she said she had a really good track record with ibs sufferers, and i must admit i felt very good for a few hours after the treatment sessions. I did everything i was asked to, practiced the techniques she taught me, listened to the cds she gave me. But it really didnt seem like the thing for me. I completed the course with the hypnotheripist, but felt no great benefit, apart from the deep breathing technique we used. I would still try and go out with Louise and my friends, but would get really nervous and have to go to the toilet before going out, and still feeling bad when i was there, being not very good company obviously. So sometimes i took the easy option and said i didnt feel well enough to go out. Again me and Louise started to drift apart. She felt unprotected and unsupported, and guilty for feeling these things. She saw our friends and how happy they are, with some planning to get married this year, and other planning on moving and setting up their own buisnesses. And here she was with me,who sometimes didnt have that optimism and no great desire to plan for the future. I was pretty depressive and that got her down too. I went to the doctor again, and discussed these anxiety problems that i now seemed to be suffering from we agreed to try a beta blocker. I was really scared. There seemed no logic behind these new panic attacks. Sometimes just going to my nans, or visting Louise at her house (she lives with her parents too) triggered the panic. Things that i had been doing for years suddenly became increasingly difficult to do. Things came to a head in early december with Louise and she couldnt cope with our relationship anymore. And because of the nature of my illness(es) i couldnt say to her 'just give me a few weeks and i'll be fine'. So we split for a few weeks which i foudn incredibly hard, because we'd been together for over 5 years now since we both 17/18. This was the only serious relationship we'd both been in. However i just couldn't let go. She'd become an integral part of me coping with my problems. Sometimes i think with out her i might have been in a much worse situation. I love her more life itself, i would gladly die for her, but i couldn't do simple things like plan for the future or go on holidays with her. Everyday i would call her and we would talk, sometimes for hours about things, never really reaching any conclusions. But slowly we drifted back together, either be it out of habit or because she felt guilty at leaving me while i was in this state, or because she did feel we could make it work. We fell into the old comfortable routine of going to each others houses and not really going out socially. A holiday that had been arranged to America for 3 weeks was approaching, which had been booked the previous february when i was still grappling with my ibs and couldnt commit to, either physically or financially. We made things work prior to that, neither of us wanting to leave our relationship on a bad note. So she goes with 3 of our friends, and i miss her terribly. She phones me once a week and says how much she misses me. Because valentines day was during this holiday i sent her a card(she had given me one the night she left). When she gets back the first few nights are fantastic, we just cant keep our hands to ourselves. Its like we only just started going out again. Things cooled off a little, but for the next 2 weeks things were going well i thought, we saw each other most nights and was enjoying each other company. Then things got ugly again. It was all triggered because it was comming up to that time of the month for louise ( and she recently always gets very emotional at this time) and she attended a works party, to which i wasnt invited (or she didnt invite me because she knew i'd probably say no, as usual). Anyway, during this works party i learn that somebody asks her to dance, which she accepts. Now she has mentioned this person before, as she had got talking to him during a previous work meal, and found they had a few things in common. She tells me that this dancing caused emotions to stir inside of her that she hasnt felt in a long time (we had never danced because before my illness i was a quite a shy, self concious, unwilling to try new things type of person). She asures me nothing else happened and i believe her. But it demonstated again, that she really misses those things that i cant give her now, and also that she maybe happy with somebody else. She tells me this is the first time shes been attracted to someone else whilst we've been together, and honestly i cant blame her. Our relationship has been bad, with me only able to do limited things and make possibly empty promises that i will do these things 'when im better'. She's heard this all before. But ive never been well enough to do them, and prove to her we have a future. This was all last week now.

Its been really hard for me the past week. I've been comming off the beta blockers, from which i might be getting some side effects from, its hard to tell with my all this going on my head. I have toruble sleeping, reduced appetite, highly emotional and getting hot flushes. I'm due to go back to the doctors this tuesday to possibly try anti depressants, which im both worried and excited about at the same time. I have high hopes that we can find one that help me, but im scared at the possible side effects.

I really want this relationship to work, i do love her dearly, and i want to make up to her all the hurt i've cause though my illnesses, because she says she still hurts and is angry at the things we have missed doing together (like her graduation ball, which was nearly a year ago). She says she doesn't know how she feels anymore. She says she still loves me, and cares for me very deeply, but shes not sure weather that 'spark' is there and how much she 'is in love' with me. She feels like all her energy has been used up, and she doent know weather she can give our relationship another chance. She's scared that she may be waiting around for me for the rest of her life, and if she does give us another chance, the same thing may happen a few months down the line. Or we do sort things out and i recover, then 10/20 years down the line, when we have commitments like a house and children, i relapse and she has to carry the whole burden alone. We both just dont know what to do. I find it really hard to leave her alone, and for the past week ive called her each day, i hope that through continued communication we can work something out, but sometimes shes tired of talking about it. Shes heard it all before, i cant offer her anything new. I just want everything to be back how it was. I really think we can recapture what we had, but she just doesn't know. Everybody is telling her we shouldn't be togther because its making her unhappy and that shes only 23, she should be out enjoying herself. I wish i had the choice

This week i've been trying really hard to get myself over this anxiety. Tuesday, i felt the best i had in ages, because of comming off the beta blockers i think, i was almost euphoric! For the first time in a long time, i made plans for the future, i decided to get out of the house at least once everyday (not just for a little walk round the block like i had been doing), to go to the doctors and give whatever we decided to be the correct medication a fair go, then when i was happy with that, get a little part time job, or do some free work experience somewhere. Having never had even a little job, this would really be a massive step for me.

Since tuesday i havent been as good, but i've still made myself go out, and generally the feelings of anxiety have passed, but still the next time i get the same. I'm hoping the anti depressant drugs will help with this. The constant worrying about me and louise doesnt help, but i am clinging to the slim hope that we can make things work. But im also trying to prepare myself for the worst.

I'm sure there are things ive missed out, but its all such a jumble in my head, we've been through such alot together and im desperate to get better, even though i know even when im better there maybe a chance we cant recapture what we had.

I'm really grateful if you've sat there and read though all that, i'd be really appriative if anybody has got any advice or has had similar problems, both relationship wise, and illness. Currently im finding it hard to see the light, although everybody is telling me it is there.

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Re: Need to get some things off my chest new
      #162145 - 03/19/05 07:07 AM
Linz

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Well IBS and anxiety are both things that can be controlled! So keep your chin up.

I've had great success with a-d's, but you might find that an anti-anxiety med might suit you better. Have a talk to your doc about all the options.

Also, with IBS, it is very helpful and also good for your relationship, to get your partner working with you. Cooking together, finding places you can go to and things you can do together, etc.

I hope some of this helps. I'm not very good at reading lots on a computer screen, so I might have missed something in your post! So reply back and we'll see how we can help.

PS. Are you on this diet?

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Re: Need to get some things off my chest new
      #162148 - 03/19/05 07:14 AM
LittleLisa

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Loc: USA

Roid! Hello and welcome. Well it seems that there were 23 views of your post and no responses so I think I'll be the first to attempt to absorb your long post and respond.

Please feel that you can vent or get anything off your chest any time on these boards. That is what we are hear for. I'm sure you being a guy and all it has to be hard to not be able to talk to anyone about your troubles but your girlfriend and perhaps that is why she is overwhelmed with your issues.

I'm responding because I in some way sort of went through what you are going through. I started my IBS troubles when I was about 21 (I'm now 37). It was also at the same time that my hormones were going whacky. I had been dating my husband for about 7 years and all hell broke loose at 21. Yes, we were also high school sweethearts! I started to treat him as the only thing in my life, never wanting to be away from him, wanted to move in with him and just be with him 24/7. Well, when you are 21 you are supposed to be doing fun things with other people, having your own things to do and I just didn't. Long story short, he broke up with me, telling me that it was the best thing for us both and believe it or not, it saved us. I grew as a person and learned that I could live without him and I actually started dating someone else. Well, needless to say, he came back to me and we've been married for almost 14 years now. So there is hope for you and Louise

Ok, so now the IBS issues. I don't think that so much was our issue. It was the anxiety that I had that bothered him more. He just couldn't deal with the fact that I had a "mental illness". I saw a psychologist for a few years who helped me with my anxiety and I too did all the CD's and relaxation methods and I overcame the anxiety without drugs. (I was lucky in that respect but there is certainly nothing wrong with it if you have to take a medication to be well). Even though I've overcome the anxiety I still have major attacks of IBS which he has been able to deal with. Yes, it does get annoying to him waiting for me at the Lowe's(hardware store)in the bathroom for 15 or so minutes tending to our two children while he waits. Or having to stop at the nearest gas station on the way home from a shopping trip so that I can go since the dinner I ate did me in But, he loves me and is willing to deal with that with me. I don't doubt that your girlfriend doesn't love you but she is young and I agree with you, she and you both need to be doing fun things at your age and it is tough to do when you have the anxiety about the IBS and it prevents you from doing stuff.

My advice is to just let her do her thing. She will come back to you in time if it's really meant to be. (I'm sure you've heard that plenty!)But seriously, love will overcome an illness. There are many of people on this site that have very supportive significant others. It's just something I think that you have to grow to understand and cope with. We've all felt like you at one time or another and believe me you will overcome your issues It takes time to just accept that this will be your life and you will learn to deal with it and so may she(Louise). If she doesn't then I'm sorry to say that she's not the one for you. You need someone who is supportive and in time she may become that person but until then, it sounds like she's causing you some of your anxiety so maybe it's best to just let things happen slowly and maybe being away from each other for some time might be good for the both of you as hard as it might be.

I hope this helped in some small way. Hang in there. It will get better. I hope some others have some advice for you too.

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Re: Need to get some things off my chest new
      #162181 - 03/19/05 08:54 AM
Sunflower5

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Roid,
Hang in there. It takes a long time to get IBS and anxiety under control, and even then there are set backs. You need to make sure your partner knows what is going on. Has she learned about IBS and anxiety? Has she read Heather's book? Sometimes it takes a while for non-sufferers to understand. Be patient with yourself. None of it is your fault. All of it will make you stronger and more compassionate.
You are in my prayers,
Monica


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Re: Need to get some things off my chest new
      #162183 - 03/19/05 08:56 AM
roid

Reged: 11/21/03
Posts: 33
Loc: united kingdom

Thanks to you all, nice to know some people have actually read through all that, and taken the time to post.

I am trying to follow heathers diet as best i can, i try and eat lots of rice and potatoes (usually on alternating days). I do find it quite hard to make up my fruit and veg each day, as i suffer quite badly from trapped wind (i have fennel tea to help that). My typical daily intake of fruit and veg is sometimes some salad with my lunch(cucumber / chinese leaves / celery / tomato), the a portion of peas with my evening meal, then a little bit of fruit in the evening( pineapple , peaches or a tropical mix in their own juices).

Its the evening meal veg i am the most stuck for, most of the things i've tried give me bad wind :/

I do take vitamin suppliments aswell as garlic.

As for my relationship with Louise, im trying really hard to give her the space that she needs. I really dont want to smother her, and like you say, if she really does care for me that much, then if we do split / take a break, she will come back. Just doesnt make this time any easier



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Re: Need to get some things off my chest new
      #162191 - 03/19/05 09:32 AM
lalala

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I'm sorry things have been so rough for you! But I'm glad you shared your story because you'll get a lot of great advice and support from the people on this board. Please know that you're not alone and, as everyone else has put it, things do get better.

I've also been dealing with anxiety (it started the year after I was diagnosed with IBS; I spent the last nine years trying to take care of it without drugs). I finally realized I couldn't do it on my own and have recently started taking an anti-anxiety medication and seeing a counselor. It's only been three weeks, but I've been noticing improvement.

How well does your girlfriend understand IBS and anxiety? Would it be possible for you to see a counselor together? Does she understand that you're suffering a lot more than she is? I'm sorry to bombard you with so many questions, and I don't want to sound harsh! I'm sure she's a good person because of how much you care about her. Maybe you should use this time apart from your girlfriend to focus on getting well. Or get her involved in your recovery. However, don't focus on getting better for her sake--do it so that you can live your life.

Best wishes,
Maria

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      #162192 - 03/19/05 09:38 AM
roid

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i dont really think she does understand what im experiencing either with ibs or anxiety.

In the past when we've had troubles shes done her best to be optimistic, and to try to help me. But all these efforts dont seem to have worked, so maybe she starts losing hope too. Shes admitted to me that sometimes she feels helpless to help me.

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      #162199 - 03/19/05 10:07 AM
lalala

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It must be really difficult for her to see you suffering and not know how to help. Does she know that when you can't go out with her, it's not because you don't want to be with her but because you're truly not feeling well? Do you think, since she doesn't understand the anxiety part of IBS, that she may feel you just don't want to do the things she likes? There was a period where I didn't want to go to the movies because I was afraid of having an anxiety attack in the theater--and my boyfriend loves going out to movies. I could see where he might have thought I didn't like his choice of movie or just going to the movies in general. Maybe she needs to be reassured it isn't her and that just by being with you and loving you she's already helping you a great deal.

I think it's good that you can talk about it with her and she admits it's a difficult situation for her. Your openness and honesty shows how strong you really are. I know it was really hard for me to talk to my friends, family, and even my boyfriend about IBS and anxiety. I think it was a mix of pride and embarrassment that kept me from sharing. But once I explained what was wrong and how I knew it was affecting our lives, my boyfriend turned out to be really supportive and extremely patient. (I would like to think I'd be the same if roles were reversed, but who knows?) I think the good thing about IBS, if you can find anything good about it, is that it makes you a more compassionate person.

Please keep us updated on your progress with the diet and the AD, if you decide to take one.

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I wish I knew better what to say new
      #162209 - 03/19/05 11:49 AM
Little Minnie

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I wanted to respond this morning but DH was hovering and I couldn't get my thoughts together. It is not uncommon for men especially to have the symptoms you do. There seems to be a sort of 'MOnday morning' IBS men get with serious D and work-related stress. I really think tryings a-ds will help. I know the side-effects can be irritating, but I think you have to work at finding one you like. Definitely. Also you have to follow Heather's diet to the letter, especially at first. The diet is very good at controlling D and Ders can have immediate results when sticking to it.

I haven't had the sort of anxiety you have but I think all IBSers can relate to the feelings of wanting to stay home. I certainly have that. I think getting the D under control will definitely help the anxiety.

I am going to level with you though about relationships. I have been with my husband since 16 and he is supportive about IBS, but I have learned that you do need that spark and both partners need it. You also cannot force it. And the real way to show love for someone is by being unselfish. Life is too short to struggle with unsupportive people. I think you should spend some time by yourself, like would it be possible to camp/hike on your own? and meditate about your needs. The only way to get yourself back on track is to concentrate on making yourself feel better and knowing everything else will come along with that. You can tell me I'm whacked and that is fine but since IBS is lifelong (although very controllable with Heather's diet and medication) you have to have someone who will understand and want to support you unselfishly. I maybe cynical (for a romance novelist) but that is how I see it. Good luck with everything! and tell us how the a.d. search goes.

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IBS-A for 20 years with terrible bloating and gas. On the diet since April 2004. Remember this from Heather's information pages:
"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!

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      #162218 - 03/19/05 12:12 PM
atomic rose

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Loc: Maine (IBS-A stable since July '05!)

Salad is often impossibly difficult for most IBS'ers to digest at all, even ones who have been stable for a long time. You might want to stop eating raw vegetables, they can be a particular problem with IBS-D'ers... and they might even be causing your gas problems later in the day as well.

If you like some sort of cold vegetable, cold cooked vegetables with a bit of SAFE low-fat salad dressing is actually a whole lot tastier than it sounds. Carrots are especially good this way, and they're one of the safest vegetables for us.

At this point in time, you should be more concerned with eating soluble fiber foods (pasta, rice, potatoes, sweet potatoes, carrots, mango, bananas, applesauce, etc etc from Heather's list) than insolubles. Not getting enough solubles could be why you're continuing to have symptoms.

Do you take a soluble fiber supplement?

I wish I knew what to tell you with Louise, but unfortunately, my relationships (and my attitudes towards them) have been quite a bit different. I hope the two of you can work things out!

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      #162227 - 03/19/05 12:54 PM
Stephie

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Hi there,
First I just wanted to say Hello and Welcome to this site. I really hope that the information and feedback you get here will really help you to improve your quality of life.

Okay, first I wanted to agree with what Casey (atomic rose) said about salad - I would call myself at times 'fairly stable' and there is NO WAY I would eat a salad! I don't know for sure if it is a problem for you, but I would do as Casey said and cut out all raw veggies for a while.
Secondly, have you ever been on amitryptiline? That's what I got put on in UK (I lived there for 2 years until recently) by my GI doc and noticed a big improvement with both my anxiety and my D. At the same time, he also put me on Celevac tablets, which you can get over the counter and they seemed to help me quite a bit as well.
Third, if you have something you really would like to go to.. what stops you? Is it pain or D or the anxiety? I ask because if it's D (which often leads to anxiety, I know!) then you and I are sometimes in the same boat and I remedy that sometimes by just taking some good ol' Immodium. Immodium advanced, I think it is called, also says it helps gas symptoms as well so you might want to give that a shot if you haven't already. In fact, when I was working in the UK and was far from stable, I took Immodium every day until I started to get stable (and got the meds from my GI doc). If the full dose is too much for you, you can also get it in liquid form and just take enough to help you stabalise.

Have you ever tried going on the 'What to Eat when you Can't Eat Anything' Diet for a few days? This might help your tummy calm down before you think about adding other things into your diet. Are you still excluding wheat, by the way? Just curious. I know a lot of stuff on that diet have wheat in them so it might be a little more difficult, but it shouldn't be too too bad.
Sometimes hypnotherapy is something you really have to work at - Like going through a program more than once before you see any real results. Actually being able to calm your mind down and get the benefits from it takes a long time of 'training your mind' but then is often really effective. On the same note, have you ever tried yoga? Yoga may help you with any pain, gas, or anxiety that you are feeling. Again, the meditation part of yoga is something that takes a lot of training so don't give up if you don't see results right away!!

Have you ever considered going to see a psychologist/psychiatrist? It might really help you get some things off your chest person to person. If you can vent to someone, you might feel like a weigh has been lifted and it's not there when you are around other people (ie your girlfriend).

Okay, so about your girlfriend. This is a really hard situation, I know. A lot of us have had problems with partners or with the concept of dating for exactly all the reasons that you mentioned. It is really hard to find someone who is completely understanding to all our needs. I don't really know what to say to fix your situation with your girlfriend because here is my take on it: Before you can worry about other relationships, you need to focus on making yourself well. I know you are already doing that, and it seems like you have really put a lot of effort in so that's awesome. Then if you are in a relationship, you need to be totally honest with each other. These are my limitations, and these are how I feel about your limitations. If they are too much for her, she may need to take some space from you and that's not your fault and it doesn't mean anything is wrong with you.
My boyfriend and I have been together for nearly 2 years now, and I know how it feels to have to always say no to going out to the pub and stuff - it used to make me just devestated. Eventually, we had to have the big talk about how HE felt about all that and it turns out that he can deal with it. That put my mind at ease because then it was one less thing for me to constantly stress and have anxiety about. Otherwise, that anxiety is just adding to the problem and making it even harder for you to get stable. If he had said that he couldn't deal with it, that it was too much, or that it was making him too miserable I don't know what I would have done. I'd like to say I could just let him go, but I know that he is one of my biggest supports so I'm not sure that I could...

I think the first thing you need to do is to try and find ways of dealing with your anxiety - I am SURE that if you do, your stomach will see some improvement. Once that is all dealt with, THEN I think you can focus on your girlfriend but for now you need to try and focus on YOU! It's not being selfish, or anything like that, it is making you able to live a happier life which you have every right to!!
Good luck, we'll be here for you to help in any way that we can!

Oh, by the way are you near London? I ask because I saw a GI doctor at Farnborough hospital called Dr. Asante (GI doc) and he was EXCELLENT.

--Steph

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Re: Need to get some things off my chest new
      #162232 - 03/19/05 01:06 PM
Linz

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Have a talk someimte with no pressure and tell her that she can really help you just by doing little things. It took my DH a while to realise this, but he's been wonderful. Ask her if she'd read Heather's book...it can help explain alot. And say you really want to try and beat this and you'd love it if she could help you.

Just a few thoughts. My hubby got very good at being my food police...if he saw me going to eat something bad, he'd go "do you really want to be eating that?" and that helped. Also, he got really into discovering new safe foods and finding helpful places we could go out to.

I know it's hard, but it's very important that you don't let the IBS dominate your life. Relaxing and having fun will actually help the IBS as well.

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Re: Need to get some things off my chest new
      #162285 - 03/19/05 04:12 PM
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For me and I probably am recommending it but I don't really, when I cut off alot of my social life and backed off into the house, I let myself forget things.. dwell on past situations, mostly about me and who I am and what can I do to make things better. Trial and error will tell you in time what you need to do, and it's only these little steps that will help you. I was and still am to a point consious of my breathing, sometimes feeling like I need to calm down and in a way my mind makes my body contrict my breathing making me that much worse.

It's hard to explain but the train situation you explained yeah i've done it, I've done a 'hard' thing once and dared and done it and the feelings disappated, next day im panicking in mind if im ok etc over that same situation and its like asif I went backwards instead of forwards. To me that was when I knew I was insecure, I use to keep thinking 'god I hope no one sees me like this' like really laboured and panic looking(if I was, I dont know!). I was pretty paranoid after those initial situations that I didn't look normal anymore to passing people!


You asked me on the other forum about meds if I had taken any, I did briefly go on anti depressants but I was too put off with the effects after just 1 weekend. I went on beta blockers though reluctantly, did they help or didnt they.. I've never been sure, they do not affect mental state at all, merely stop your body over reacting I think. I can see alot of great uses for them in certain situations. Interviews, busy places etc. I was on them every day for many months but soon wanted off them. There was a fear that a situation without them wasnt handalable but you make your own personal adjustments on how to deal with it, even if you make a step backwards just to get off them.

More to the point, I just started over I suppose, hence the point I didnt go outside hardly.. became completely independant very slowly, and built up from just doing simple yet hard things for me, going to the shop.. becoming comfortable with that, going to a slightly further shop - as time went on and it was hard to relax even still.. really thats where one of my old school friends came into play and I hanged around with him, I explained bits and bobs to him but I think its very hard for people to understand. Anyway that took alot of focus and worry out the way when I was out, I could relax and have a laugh and take mind of things, even if I did worry alittle he could speak about anything and it'd draw my attention away. I suppose a part was the worrying and having the mind on it. Gradually became more comfortable. I wasn't working during this long period and nor was he, a very laid back person(even lazy in a way!). Things just built up, I was struggling to think I could handle a job until I found the right one that I was comfortable with.. and I just gradually and still am now becoming alot more secure, even going into shopping centres and clubbing I do. I'm still not as independant as I was, like going into a shopping centre by myself. It's something im not pushing myself to do, I'm pretty comfortable with a large slice of my life thats the main thing and one day i'll come to it.
I think a large part of it is just the worrying and making a big deal out of things. If you go in there more relaxed and casual it tends to be alot better. Infact going back to that train situation(or anything close I see it like this).

I view it as first situation : relaxed, thinking if i feel uneasy i can turn back least ive tried and come out.
second situation : am i feeling as relaxed, how am i feeling, am i ok like last time?

In short i'd say your too busy worrying about comparing it to the first situation and that's why it just doesnt seem any better.

Anyway I hope this helps if theres anything you'd like to ask please let me know.

I'd summarise that whole chunk and say it's really just being comfortable with yourself again and it takes time. Old friend's go a long way to helping though.

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Re: Need to get some things off my chest new
      #162301 - 03/19/05 06:30 PM
EvilCats

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Hey, Roid

Your post really hit home in some aspects. I developed IBS while in university and can still remember the day it happened.

I know what you mean about the panic attacks. I used to get that feeling of dread that you described and felt uncomfortable discussing it with anybody. As a result, I withdrew from my neighbors in the dorm. Any emotional connections that I had previously were severed. I thought that every sleep would be my last.

I endured this for over a year. At first it consumed 95% of my idle thoughts. Then 90. Then 85. Etcetera. Then 10. Then 5%. And finally I was able to suppress it.

So I am pulling for you. Do something to get your mind off it! Stick with it and you will get through it.

Keep trying to get your stomach under control. Believe it will happen. My stomach still gets the best of me at times, but it is 10x better than it was a year ago.

Last, DON'T SABOTAGE YOURSELF!!! I'm gonna say it again -- don't sabotage yourself! If you keep giving your G/F the impression that you aren't good enough for her then you will lose her. Do not use IBS as an excuse for not trying new things.

Keep at it. I'm pretty sure that many of us here have felt defeated by this debilitating condition, but found the courage to deal with it and eventually rise above it.

Best of luck, man
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Re: Need to get some things off my chest new
      #162348 - 03/20/05 12:58 AM
roid

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Its weird because 6 months ago i felt i had everything under control. My ibs wasnt causing me problems, my bms were usually normalish and i was getting on with my life.

But then thr whole anxiety thing hit, and everything fell apart. Sometimes i think i may not suffer from ibs at all, and all my problems are anxiety / stress related. But i guess the two are so closely linked that i'll never be sure.

I'm going to mention amitryptiline to the docs when i go tuesday, it seems like it has helped alot of anxiety / ibs-d sufferers. Seems like the best one to try first. I know when i went last time, she mentioned prozac, but after reading here and from various other resources, it looks like that might not suit me, as it has D side effects.

I'll keep you all updated, and thanks for the advice and support. It's comforting to know ppl i dont even know can take a little time from their day to try and help little old me.

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Re: Need to get some things off my chest new
      #162359 - 03/20/05 04:40 AM
Selketh

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Oh forgot to mention the med I was actually on(the beta blocker) was Propanalol

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Re: Need to get some things off my chest new
      #162379 - 03/20/05 06:50 AM
roid

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Thats what i've just come off, didnt really do anything for me!

I've just read most of treatment called the 'linden method', which is written by someone who suffered with anxiety for 8 years, but managed to beat it.

Its made me think quite seriously about not going onto anti depressants. Maybe its just his evocative writing, but alot of what he says does make sense. At the end of the day anti-depressants just masking the anxiety, like a band aid over an ingrowing toe-nail. It doesnt address the underlying problem. So im going to have to have a good chat with my gp i think.

One one hand, going on ad's would hopefully take the edge of my anxiety and thus allow me do more things and build confidence etc, but would i then begin to rely on them to be happy? Would the anxiety return as soon as i ceased the ad's? I guess i wont know until i try them, but run the risk of nasty side effects.

Or do i continue as i am, and have been for the past 6 months, and hope that by continualy pushing myself i will eventually beat it.



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Hey, I just noticed you are a fellow UK'er... new
      #162398 - 03/20/05 09:40 AM
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Everyone seems to have answered your questions, not much more I can add except I know about the wind and I know about how traumatic it is when you are with someone that may possibly take offense to it! I have to let my wind out or I get VERY bad pains and it just gets worse and worse. We could be wind buddies!!

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Re: Need to get some things off my chest new
      #162442 - 03/20/05 01:03 PM
roid

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This morning a family friend, who has been taking reiki lessons came round and gave me going over. I must say it was very relaxing, and the heat from her hands suprised me.

Reiki is a Japanese form of alternative healing, which involved her holding her hands on part of my body, channeling the energy or something. I dont pretend to understand whats going on really.

After the session i did feel really relaxed and calm, which was good. I had been warned there may be some reaction from my body ( from the release of toxins i think), and i did suffer an attack of D, but not til about 7 hours after. Maybe it was conincidence, but i hadn't eaten anything strange or more anxious than usual. Weird, but im going to give it another go soon!

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I've never actually heard... new
      #162457 - 03/20/05 02:22 PM
Linz

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...of a-d's being prescribed for panic-attack type anxiety before. They certainly helped me cope more easily, but I wasn't having big anxiety issues to start with.

Glad the reiki helped. I'd really recommend yoga too, even if for no other rason than the breathing techniques you learn are very helpful in stressful/panicky situations.

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Re: I've never actually heard... new
      #162561 - 03/21/05 03:17 AM
roid

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Well in my endless quest for knowledge i stumbled accross this site which details some of the med that can be used for anxiety disorders.

I'm feeling a little depressed at the moment, as Louise phoned last night and asked if i wanted to go to the cinema with her, but i had to decline because i was feeling so bad. I could hear in the tone of her voice she was dissapointed, but she said it didnt bother her. Life has a habit of not being fair!!

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Hint... new
      #162713 - 03/21/05 01:58 PM
Linz

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...if you can't cope with the cinema, suggest a DVD instead! I still always get an aisle seat at the cinema and take some water.

Fair enough on the a-d's. They do help you to cope better with life I have to admit!

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Re: Hint... new
      #162719 - 03/21/05 02:09 PM
roid

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We used to watch a lot of films together at each others houses, but it got to the point when we wouldnt go to the cinema ever!

She phoned again today, and said if i felt up to it we could go out later. I felt a bit bad after dinner, so i went for a little walk and listened to some relaxation cds, before phoning her. So she says 'its too late now!', turns out she wanted to go the cinema! I try and get her to just go out for a drink with me, but no luck there

Seems like everything that could go wrong has gone wrong these past two days I felt so bad yesterday, i couldnt even have a normal conversation with her

I just hope and pray that whichever a-d i do go on doesn't effect me too badly. And i can make it up to her quickly!

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anxiety meds new
      #162727 - 03/21/05 02:28 PM
lalala

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Thank you for posting this link! It's useful to know about the different meds for anxiety. Nice to know there are options.

I'm currently taking Buspar (low-dose, short-term use) for generalized anxiety; this is my fourth week on the medication and I'm finding that I'm able to sleep better and the physical symptoms of anxiety (shaking, stomach cramps, etc) have lessened. I was on imipramine/desipramine about nine or ten years ago when I was first diagnosed with IBS (this was pre-anxiety), but I couldn't tolerate the side effects. So far, I'm happy with the Buspar (no side-effects, and even though it's described as a mild tranquilizer, I never feel sedated). I've never liked taking/relying on medications--I was really against using Buspar at first, but my doctor insisted I give it a try--and I didn't think it would help. I'm glad I tried it because it has been helpful (although it takes 2-4 weeks to have any effect). Has your dr mentioned Buspar to you?

I've also been seeing a counselor (today was my last day!), which has helped me pinpoint thought patterns and self-talk that lead up to the feelings of anxiety. Keeping a symptom journal also has helped. I'm not completely cured, but at least I know how to be aware of what starts the anxiety and how to manage it. The same with the IBS symptoms: I'm finding ways to cope. With this diet, the counseling, and medication, I've only had four D attacks in the past six months. At times, I still feel anxious that I'll have an attack, so the next step I'm going to take will be getting the hypnotherapy CDs offered on this site (once I have the cash).

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CBT... new
      #162856 - 03/22/05 01:09 AM
Linz

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...(cognitive behavoral therapy) which sounds like what you're describing is one of the best methods to combat anxiety! It's basically what I used on myself...I'm way analytical.

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Re: anxiety meds new
      #162868 - 03/22/05 02:55 AM
roid

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Well i went this morning, and had a good chat with my gp. We discussed how i'd been getting on the last month, and i explained that the anxiety and ibs was having a major negative effect on my life in general ( with both relationships with my family and girlfriend being strained to the max). She was very sympathetic.

We discussed the a-d route and decided the best one to try 1st was Fluoxetine (Prozac). I did mention Amitriptyline (Elavil) but she advised that as it was an older a-d it was more suited to depression than anxiety, and there was a greater chance of side effects. She did leave the decision to me finally, so i thought best to trust her medical opinion.

Shes also refering me to a counselor, which knowing what the nhs is like might take a while, but might aswell get the ball rolling.

I've just gotta try it, and fingers crossed find the strength to cope with the side effects (if i get any!).

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Re: anxiety meds new
      #163088 - 03/22/05 03:51 PM
lalala

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Will you please keep us updated on how you're doing with Prozac? I'd like to know whether or not you experience any side effects and if it seems to help with your IBS-D. Did the dr mention how long it would take to work?

Well, I'm wishing you the best!


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Re: anxiety meds new
      #163198 - 03/23/05 03:37 AM
roid

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She didnt explicitly say how long i should start seeing effects by, i assume that different people have differing drug tolerences, and start seeing benefits at different times.

I must admit i felt quite anxious this morning before taking it, as in the back of my mind im scared of the possible side effects.

I'm going to try really hard for a week tho.

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Good effects of a-d's... new
      #163202 - 03/23/05 04:27 AM
Linz

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...usually take between 2 weeks to a month.

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Re: anxiety meds new
      #163274 - 03/23/05 08:22 AM
lalala

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I know what you mean! I was really anxious the first time I took Buspar. REALLY ANXIOUS. Now that I look back on it, I wonder why. I mean, I couldn't feel any worse than I was already feeling.

I was asking how long your GP said it would take because you wouldn't want to give up too soon. Will you being checking in periodically with your GP?

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Re: Good effects of a-d's... new
      #163275 - 03/23/05 08:22 AM
roid

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I've been up and down on an emotional roller coaster today. Nothing to do with the prozac im sure, but just the whole 'taking an a-d' thing.

To be truthful im really scared about the possible side effects. Even though i may have none. I hardly slept a wink last night worrying about it.

I just feel really torn. On the one hand i want to give it a fair go, but this anxiety im feeling additionally because of these worries surely wont let me give it a proper trial!

Every little twinge i have, i think 'Is it the prozac?'

I dont know, maybe i'm just not desperate enough for this yet.

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Re: Thank you, Linz! Good effects of a-d's... -nt- new
      #163276 - 03/23/05 08:23 AM
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Re: Good effects of a-d's... new
      #163286 - 03/23/05 08:42 AM
lalala

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What you're describing is EXACTLY how I felt when I started taking Buspar. But now I wonder: Aren't those feelings a sign that we are way too anxious? Would someone who didn't share these anxiety "issues" stay awake at night over-analyzing, attempting to predict, constantly worrying about a medication that has been proven to be effective and that we're taking under a dr's watch? I don't think so.

I think from you've written here and your consultation with your GP that this is the right time to start. If Prozac ends up not working for you, I'm sure she would help you find a different AD.

How are your girlfriend and family supporting you during this time?

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Re: Good effects of a-d's... new
      #163295 - 03/23/05 08:55 AM
roid

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They're leaving it very much upto me.

I guess i've come this far, i may aswell give it a go. This is only the 1st day after all. No doubt i'll change my mind again in a few hours

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roid... new
      #163371 - 03/23/05 12:04 PM
Linz

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...you might want to talk to your doc about this kind of therapy. Sounds like you could really do with it. I know getting any sort of therapy on the NHS is d*mn difficult, but you might as well try to get the most useful one if you're going to get anything!

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Hi Roid, I'm a little late on this conversation. new
      #163500 - 03/23/05 07:17 PM
doubletrouble

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But I wanted to say I totally understand where you're at right now. I'm in a similar situation as far as anxiety goes and am about to embark on AD's. I've been on them before but they weren't right for me. One made my heart speed up to the point where I was getting chest pains and the other made me dopey ALL the time, with 3 kids I didn't have time to be so tired. I had my new ones for about a week a few months ago and didn't notice too many side effects. That being said I'm only on a low dose. I still believe that they are worth trying though.
I'm sorry you are having such a hard time with things with your girlfriend. I'm married but still struggle with many issues with DH about my IBS and how it affects my life. The pain is incredible and never ending, the whole issues around leaving the house. We don't go to movies (I can't sit still that long without the pain getting so bad I want to die)we don't go to restaurants (eating in a public place then probably needing the bathroom immediately after-no thanks!) and just don't do things that most other couples do. It's very tough on him and as much as he tries he just doesn't understand what it's like (and at least he readily admits this). My health causes much stress and many arguments between us. I hope that you can find what helps you and that life starts to be a bit better soon. It can be a very dark place when you constantly feel so sick. I'll be thinking of you, keep us updated on how you are going and keep the questions coming. I think that information is the key, we just have to try it all until we find what works for us. I'm still looking but believe one day things will improve. Hang in there.

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Hey Linz, about CBT... new
      #163504 - 03/23/05 07:35 PM
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You seem to know EVERYTHING!!! I am amazed at your expertise on all of these health subjects...can you explain more about how CBT was for you? I have read many good things about it, and would like to try it, although I'm not sure about going to a therapist without a recommendation (I found one in my area online) and I don't think my current shrink is trained in it. This book I read recommended group therapy, but I don't think there are any groups near me either. Thanks so much for your input!!

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Re: roid... new
      #163539 - 03/24/05 12:53 AM
roid

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After you mentioning cbt i had a google, and found this site .

Its services are free, so i signed up, took the test and now fill in the diary every day.

I bit the bullet this morning and took my 2nd prozac.

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Re: Hey Linz, about CBT... new
      #163560 - 03/24/05 02:25 AM
Linz

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Oh, I didn't take it! Not properly anyway.

I know about different therapy methods cos for a while Si and I were the primary carers for a good friend of mine who was suicidal! And we were trying to find anything that might help. CBT has a GREAT track record.

What I meant about me is....CBT basically teaches you the skills to control your anxiety/depression on your own. Alot of it is to do with learning to recognize when you are getting worked up and what thoughts/actions trigger off that, etc. Then you can learn to stop yourself from doing that.

I realised at one point that b/c I was so anxious about needing the loo in an awkward moment, I was going to the loo even if I didn't particularly need to then just in case! And this was "training" my bod to think it could go to the loo even more regularly than it was! This was a particular problem for me when I was commuting to work and got to London, just before I got on the Tube (no toilets ). So I made a conscious effort that every time I got to the station and automatically started to rush to the loo I would stop myself, take a few deep breaths and ask myself "do I really need to go NOW?" If the answer was no, I would make myself wait! Simple, but quite effective. It did mean I needed to find toilets I could run to en-route if neccessary, but it stopped me always having to run to the loo wherever I was.

Note, I was using Immodium and this diet to reduce my symptoms while I did this...the anxiety loo stops were extra.

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Sounds very cool! new
      #163562 - 03/24/05 02:27 AM
Linz

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Well done! Keep up with the meds..it'll take a while to get the effects, so you need to take them for at least a month before you can see if you like them or not anyway!

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That's great! new
      #163727 - 03/24/05 10:43 AM
lalala

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Thank you again for providing a link to such useful info. I checked out the site and think I'll sign up too.

Glad to see you're still trying the Prozac! Whoo hoo!

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Re: That's great! new
      #163731 - 03/24/05 10:55 AM
roid

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Still no side effects too, and this is nearly the end of day 2!!

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Bah! new
      #163922 - 03/25/05 02:34 AM
roid

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Gah, i knew this was too good to be true. Beginning of today (day 3), i had quite bad diarrhea in the morning about 7:30, then again at 9:30.

Only very mild discomfort though, usually if its an ibs attack i get really bad stomach cramps too. Hopefully the twice will be it for today now. Had a peppermint capsule to try and soothe my belly, its all i can taste now when i burp.

I guess it might not be the prozac, cus i had quite a bad nights sleep too, tossing and turning, things going around in my head like they do.

I think if i go again i might reach for the immodium. Its not like im preventing my body getting rid of something thats irritating it.

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Re: Bah! new
      #163957 - 03/25/05 07:36 AM
lalala

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I've noticed that not getting enough sleep really affects me too. It's probably not the Prozac--keep up with it!

Taking the immodium sounds like a good idea if you go again. I had an attack the other day (most likely caused by eating too much bread or this new food I tried)--my first D attack in about a month! I took one Immodium, which turned out to be enough. I also noticed it was really mild, not much discomfort after the initial cramps, which I thought must be because I'm following the IBS diet. I did feel pretty down after the attack, but got some wonderful support from the people on this board. I'm back to "Breaking the Cycle" for a couple of days.

Good news: I made it through work yesterday without anxiety or another D attack or even worrying about it! WOWZA!



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Re: Bah! new
      #163965 - 03/25/05 07:57 AM
roid

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Congratulations on having an ibs free day!!

Its been over 6 hours since i last had a bm, so hopefully thats me done for the day :]

I'm not gonna give up on my meds that quickly!

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