Did I do something wrong??
#138051 - 01/13/05 11:05 AM
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melissam
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Hi everyone-
I began adding insoluble fiber back into my diet last night- For supper I had b/s chicken breast on the goeorge foreman grill with a baked potato with smart balance light buttery spread, salt and pepper, and mashes up peas and carrot mix. I put 7 drops of beano on the veggies as I wanted to try to prevent some gas... I have been on zelnorm for the last 5 days because I had a terrible attack last Monday night which landed me in the hospital for 3 days while they ran all kinds of tests to make sure it wasnt anything else... I HAVE NOT been taking my citrucel on a daily basis since coming out of the hospital, because the zelnorm was making me go. Previously i only used 1 scoopful = to 1 heaping tablespoon. And now today I havent had my normal morning BM. I am not in severe pain or anything but I feel like if I don't go today I will work myself into a tizzy, (I know myself).
I did just take 1 teaspoonful with water to start myself up again on it... Did I do something wrong?? Would the beano hurt me in any way or am I just not ready to go yet today??? Any ideas?
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The Beano will not hurt you, it is an enzyme. You are probably not ready to go yet. Give it some time and see what happens.
Good Luck.
Lene 
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You can take zelnorm and citrucel at the same time. So, I'm not sure why you decided to stop the citrucel. Was it causing you problems?
Not taking it could be the reason you havn't gone. Why not keep taking it along with the zelnorm. Or perhaps trying a different one?
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~ Beth
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I wouldn't get too upset just yet. I've found that I can go two days without a bm. I get back on the SFS though. I've found them to be very very helpful. Also, are you drinking enough water/liquids? You should be trying for at least 64 oz a day. This should help more than anything.
good luck
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I literally drink close to 90-100 liters of water a day- I am VERY faithful to the water. I am definately going to work back up to a regular dose of sfs..Thank you for your input. It really helps!
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Melissa
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Thanks to everyone for your thoughts on this-- I was telling my husband I didn't go yet, and that I was concerned and he just has no idea. he thought I was nuts for even worrying that I haven't gone yet.. It actually isn't worry- I guess I just get concerned especially when introducing new things into my digestive tract.
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Melissa
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Zelnorm doesn't make me go everyday. Try not to worry about it, especially if you feel fine. I start fretting when I feel uncomfortable and its been days since I've had a decent bm.
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Don't stop taking the fiber, even if you're going everyday - it's not going to make you go more or anything - it is to regulate you! You need to take it everyday no matter what!
Also - everyone's different, but if I ate taht light butter spread, I would be sick! I can only tolerate soy butter.
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than the Earth Balance for our tummies?
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~ Beth
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Beth, what is an example of a soy margarine brand? I like Earth Balance and don't seem to have problems with it, although I usually don't use very much. It does have a lot of fat though, like 11 grams/tablespoon. does the soy have less fat?
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I had always thought Earth Balance was soy oil margarine.  The soy oil margarine I buy (Willow Run) is about 11 grams too I think. I am out right now and getting some this morning. But anyway as long as margarine doesn't have any dairy dervitives it is about the same. I don't think any dairy free ones are much lower in fat than the rest of the dairy free. Besides, it being made of soybean oil is not a big deal- the others are just vegetable oil and that is pretty much the same when you get down to it. (it isn't "soy" as in tofu like, it is soy as in soybean oil, so it is pretty normal).
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"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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Soy Garden
#138463 - 01/14/05 11:39 AM
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Augie
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is the brand that people use. Can be found in most conventional grocery stores. I have never tried it because I don't know if soy is a trigger for me. I do know that it does still have 11 grams of fat same as Earth Balance 
I use a brand called Smart Balance squeeze (I think)which is lactose and dairy free and only has 2 grams fat per Tablespoon. Don't know if it causes problems since, as I keep repeating, not sure what is right now  I do know there doesn't seem to be anything listed on the ingredients that looks like a trigger. I got the name of this "butter" from doing a search. Someone else had recommended it! If you are interested in it, I can look in my fridge later and get the name.
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~ Beth
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They didn't have my soy margarine today so I loooked around and found Smart Balance which has a mixture of oils and only 5 grams of fat! If I tolerate it well (which I should) I will stick with it since the Willow Run has more fat. Although tub margarine cannot be baked with so I'll but the other for baking (if they ever get it back again). Anyway the thing is that sometimes people tolerate canola oil the best and then soybean oil and then other oils. So the answer to which is best is: they are all the same unless you can't tolerate other kinds of oils. Just find one that is dairy free.
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IBS-A for 20 years with terrible bloating and gas. On the diet since April 2004. Remember this from Heather's information pages:
"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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Chances are you are eating soybean oil in other things without knowing it. Soybean oil should be tolerable. You could tell a soy allergy better with soy nuts or tofu maybe. So the soybean margarine should be okay but I would stick with what you have been using. (From my perspective it is the fat content that is important along with no dairy. I had been using the spray that is fat free but has a little buttermilk. I decided to cut out all dairy derivitives and that means eating a little margarine which has fat! This is hard b/c I am trying to lose 5 lbs. So anything that is lower in fat is what I am going with for butter substitutes that are dairy free!)
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IBS-A for 20 years with terrible bloating and gas. On the diet since April 2004. Remember this from Heather's information pages:
"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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Everyone is differnet....I use Soy Garden and I LOVE it, never had a problem with it at all - and sometimes I use a lot in mashed potatoes! You need to find out if you have a soy tolerance! I love soy now, and I don't think I ever would have tried it if it weren't for IBS...so I guess that's one good thing this darn stomach thing gave me.
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I can't tell if I have a tolerance to anything it seems because I am always symptomatic! How do I figure this out? I'm always gassy, bloated and constipated!
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~ Beth
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Hmm....well I guess you'd have to be pretty stable to see if you had a soy tolerance....HOWEVER, if your symptoms don't really change after you eat it, I'm sure it's fine.
I think that if you are not tolerant of it, you would know right away...
Lucky for me (SARCASM) my husband cannot eat soy...I started cooking with it and he had D every time. SO now I have to cook 2 meals all the time! It's wonderful....(more sarcasm)
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Beth and Cara,
Another thing to keep in mind regarding soy is that you need to build up the amount of soy you eat slowly because our bodies don't normally make the enzyme (raffinase) needed to digest the sugars in soy (raffinose). But if you start eating small amounts, it trains the body to start producing the enzyme and you can build up to eating as much of it as you want with no problem (the problems being gas, bloating and D). Alternatively, you can take Bean-O which is the soy enzyme (raffinase), just like Lactaid is the milk sugar enzyme (lactase).
Did that make any sense at all?????!!!!!
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Laura
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How long does it take to build soy tolerance?
Do you think I am not tolerant of soy based on how the last couple days, I have had Soy Milk, 8 oz, and about 10 minutes afterwards I feel bloated.
Yesterday I had some at night, 8 oz, this morning I had Soy Milk with my cereal. Both times, within 10 minutes, I felt bloated.
Now when I get bloated off most things, I feel bloated at once, with Soy it takes more time.
I want to know based on what I have described if I am not tolerant of soy, or if this sounds like my body is adjusting to soy.
Should I take beano?
I have gas too.
How should I and what can I do to get my body properly digesting soy, do I have to increase the amount I have each day? How much, 16 oz, and how long should it take before I can have soy, I need to have soy, how else will I get Milk and cheese.
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Elizabeth
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Well firstly a diet doesn't *need* milk and cheese, "fake" or otherwise. I've never eaten any dairy my whole life and it's only in the last few years that I've had soy replacements of diary products. There are lots of other foods to eat! 
How long have you been playing around with soy? It's not very common for people to have soy intollerances but for *most* people it takes a little while for the body to get accustomed to it - most people get bloated from soy at first, not just those prone to bloating. "A while" can be anywhere from a few dayst to a few weeks I think. Beano might help, worth a try anyway.
Just give it time. Just eat as much soy each day as you want to and can find tolerable. If after a few weeks you're still getting bloated *from the soy* you could try cutting out for a week or so then slowly reintroducing it to see if that was the culprit.
Be patient! 
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Re: Soy tolerance
#175110 - 04/29/05 12:35 PM
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You can try rice substitutes, too. I've never tried either the rice or soy cheeses - cheese is not a big deal for me - but I use rice milk in cooking and in my cereal. I use just plain Rice Dream brand, but I think it comes in flavors. Do a search on "rice milk" and see what pops up. You can also try a search on "soy milk bloating" and see what you can find about other people who've had this problem - I think it's pretty common.
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Retrograde: you are right re: milk/cheese. I think "notadoctor" is after calcium rich foods to incorporate in his diet. You are also right re: soy. It does take a while to get used to soy. A different set of enzymes are required to digest the nutrients in soy.However, it is easy to get calcium from non-dairy, non-soy sources, and non-broccoli sources!
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Yeh I read that soy requires a different enyeme, I have just recently begun having soy. I did have soy sauce before, but that was maybe once a week, and the amount of soy sauce I had wa snot equal to the amount of Soy Milk I have been drinking.
I guess then I should keep taking in as much soy as I would like, and if in two weeks I still feel bloated, move to rice.
I really like the flavor of soy, and I think it would be easier to get a better tasting Soy Milk and find soy cheese and ice cream than it would to find rice cheese and ice cream, so I want this to work for me.
Is beano an antacid, I want to not have antacid, and does it have the enzyme which helps digest soy additonally. Thanks.
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Thanks Wind! 
Beano is a digestive enzyme, not an antacid. Unless you have heartburn, there shouldn't be any need to take antacids. And if you don't need them, they're NOT a good way to get calcium! (They can also act as a laxative, too).
There isn't necessarily a *single enzyme* that we require to digest soy and it might be different in different people. Your best insurance is, before meals, taking one or two complete digestive enzymes (which means it can help you digest carbs, protein and fats - I THINK beano has this but it might just be carbs, not sure since I've never used it). This is something you'll probably want to try anyway (if you haven't already) just as a general IBS remedy to help with your bloating.
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You could try digestive enzymes, or beano--some of us find it effective with "challenging foods." I use enzymes and I personally find them helpful and effective, although WARNING, it doesn't work on broccoli or cabbage or onions for me, but it does with beans and soy is a bean. Sometimes the sugars cause digestive distress until your body adjusts to metabolizing them/processing them. A fair trial run of soy in your diet sounds like a fair shot.
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because it isn't Kosher. Any other ideas for digestive enzymes that are kosher AND gluten free? I did a search and couldn't find anything...sorry if I'm repeating here.
Thanks y'all!
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There are lots of brands of digestive enzymes out there - virtually every vitamin company and pharmacy store brand seems to have one. Beano is certainly not the only one!
I'm not sure about gluten free or kosher but I'm sure there would be something!
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Fear not. I don't take Beano--it's got gelatin and crap in it that offends...there are other digestive enzymes--vegan--out there. Just go to a natural food store and you'll find something suitable...without pancreas and stuff in it.
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Someone recommended it for fibro....but it IS a digestive enzyme right? I happen to have some in the house...so that would def work out swimmingly
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Bromelain is awesome for inflammation, bones, joints, protein digestion/assimilation and nutrition absorption. Papayain--I spelled this wrong--but the enzymes in papaya are good for the gut too. Digestive enzymes basically help your gut get things going to process and assimilate the components of food, i.e. protease (for protein), lipase (for fat), amylase (for starches), maltose (sugars), cellulose (for cellulose/fibers), etc. I take vegetarian enzymes which do not contain gelatin/pancreatin.
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So bromelain would work for soy? That's fantastic!
Thanks
Kate!!!
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You could try it/test it--the bromelain--and see if it helps with soy digestion, or rather indigestion...and overall digestion/nutrient assimilation. Go to a natural food store and you'll find vegan/kosher digestive enzyme options.
Seriously, though...it's easy to be a soy-free vegan. Reminder: it's hard not to get enough protein!
Also, let me reiterate that often those that have problems with wheat have difficulty with soy.
So, listen to your body...if it says, "no soy," than no-soy-be it!
Kate.
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I have IBS with severe diarrhea. I just started with the diet and Acacia. I have soy milk now with cereal but am looking for something to put on all the bread I now have to eat. I have been using I Can't Believe It's Not Butter as it is low in fat...but see from the posts there are soy alternatives to this. I have looked in the grocery store but to no avail so I assume these products are at a health food store. I am having to learn to eat differently at 62 so this is quite a challenge for me. I have lost quite a bit of weight as it took the doctors two years of testing me for everything to finally decide I have IBS. Nothing stays in me.....goes right through!! I would appreciate all the help I can get. I am trying......
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Hi Karen
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atomic rose
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Welcome to the boards! And yes, it's a lot to take in and learn, but you can do it - hang in there!
I Can't Believe It's Not Butter has dairy in it, and I would suggest avoiding it if you can. Smart Balance Light (it has to be the LIGHT one!) is the only grocery-store margarine I've found that doesn't contain any dairy at all. I'm very sensitive to both dairy and fats, and I've had no problem with it whatsoever. But if you decide to go the route of a soy margarine, check your local health food store. I'm a big fan of Soy Garden's taste - it's very good - but it's got the same fat content as butter or full-fat margarine, so you do need to go easy on it.
Good luck!
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Hi Melissa, I eat what you had for supper just about every
night and I've had 3 to 4 BM's every morning in the recent
past. However I'm also taking 25mg of Paxil which I think is
the key factor for the BM's. Did you stop taking the Zelnorm?
That wasn't clear, and what dose are you taking? You can take
up to(I think it's) 6mg if you need to. Also, if you have
Miralax, take a dose of that today, and make sure you're
drinking lots of water, it probably won't get you going
today, but tomorrow morning it should. Also, no, beano
won't hurt you, but fennel tea would probably work better
for gas. -Bob
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Thank you so much for your quick reply. I will look for the Smart Balance Light. I thought it had to be soy if it didn't contain dairy...Boy I do have a lot to learn!! I am extremely sensitive to dairy and fat also. I think I can live without the cheese and eggs....but dry plain bread was just toooooo much!!
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