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#129810 - 12/12/04 07:02 AM
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Augie
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Are there any of you who are able to control the C without taking any SFS? Or are all you resigned to taking them no matter what the side effects?
I really feel that they are causing lots of gas and cramps and bloating. But if I don't take it I worry the C will be worse.
Anyone else who is a IBS-C do okay without the SFS?
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I tried to take a sfs for a while as well but it actually made matters worse for me. what works best for me is to try to have cooked veggies or fruit somewhat regularly when I am stable. Actually I am most regualr when I eat mostly soluble and not many fruits and veggies. or less bloated shall I say. but sometimes cooked carrots or peeled apples helps me a lot!
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Auggie and Sensational:
Which brands of SFS have you each tried?
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the citrucel which si recommended and acacia is it?
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Augie
#129912 - 12/12/04 03:05 PM
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Casper
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Have you tried Fibercon? I find that it helps and does not make me too gassy or bloated.
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#129918 - 12/12/04 03:27 PM
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Augie
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Hello there! I am currently taking citricel clear mix powder 3 times a day and 2 equalactin tablets for a total of 7 grams fiber. I've worked up to this dose over a year, so I know I didn't do it too quickly. I also tried benefiber but thought one gave me cramps. Metamucil (psylium) scares me as does fiber choice with inulin because Heather says people who bloat easily should stay away from these. That's why I specificaly chose Citrucel. It says it doesn't cause excess bloating or gas. HA! They didn't ask me!
If you don't take an SFS, how do you manage to "go"?
Are you a C? Do you take anything?
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~ Beth
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#129922 - 12/12/04 03:31 PM
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Augie
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How many do you take in a day? Wouldn't you need to take like 24 of them to get the recommended 12 grams of fiber? Also, I know they contain Calcium so that makes me think they may be better for D since calcium constipates most people. Tell me how many you take. This gives me hope if an IBS-C person can get a decent BM from fibercon! Do you go every day? (Not to get too personal)! 
Oh, I do have the generic form(walmart brand) of fibercon. Do you think this would be equavalent?
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#129951 - 12/12/04 04:57 PM
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Casper
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In all honosty I'm not very good about taking it. Also I have not stopped being C even with Hether's diet, but I have stopped being in constant pain from it. My advice to you would be to try to regulate naturally. Make sure you have some insolualbe fiber at the end of each meal. I mix Fiber One cereal in with my Cheerios in the morning. When I'm really desperate I end my breakfast with a prune or two. (Don't I sound like an old Lady. I'm only 34!) Drink alot of herbal tea and herbal ice tea. Stay away from rice products when you are Very C. On a personal note I don't go EVERY day. I average about 4 - 5 decent size BMs a week. Lots of luck.
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Metamucil (psylium) scares me as does fiber choice with inulin because Heather says people who bloat easily should stay away from these. That's why I specificaly chose Citrucel. It says it doesn't cause excess bloating or gas. HA! They didn't ask me!
Yeah but you know what, I take Metamucil and that's what works the best for me. I think Metamucil can be bad for IBS-D people, but there are some C people here who take it and it seems to be ok. I also didn't want to try it for the longest time for the same reasons, but the other brands didn't agree with me or did nothing, so I said hey may as well try it. I think you should get Metamucil, get a small container and try taking a little at a time and build up slowely. I take like half a dose in the morning, a dose at dinner time, and another before I go to bed. It helps the C a bit, not enough in my opinion, but it helps a LOT in terms of tolerating food, I can eat so much more now 
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#129960 - 12/12/04 06:04 PM
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Augie
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You may have just hit on something. I cannot do Fiber one or any wheat product because I am on a GF diet. And guess what all the GF breads, crackers, rolls etc are made out of? Rice Flour. Don't know if Rice Flour has the same effect as Regular cooking Rice. I usually have 3 pieces of Rice bread a day. I wish I could add some Fiber One into my diet. That's what helped before. Actually it was All Bran as Fiber One has artificial sweetner (did you realize that)?
I do think I am going to get some prunes. Still don't know what to do with the SFS. I think being GF gets in the way of managing this C with diet. Can't do regular cereals either, like cheerios or pretzels, etc.
You never told me how many Fibercon tablets you take a day?
I don't know if Flaxmeal is a nono but I added 1/2 Tablespoon to my cream of rice cereal this morning even after taking a zelnorm(which I really don't want to rely on) plus some triphala which is an herb Dr. Weil recommends for constipation-supposedly safe. I just want to go!
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Edited by Augie (12/13/04 06:50 AM)
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#129962 - 12/12/04 06:10 PM
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Augie
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Wow, I can't tell you how scared I am of psylium as I sit here with my protruding belly! And horrible gas. If it does'nt help you with the C as much, does it give you gas and bloating?
Also, the dosages that you listed, are those the ones you started at?
I do have some Konsyl which is psylium but haven't had the guts to try it. Do you think Metamucil is gentler?
What other SFS have you tried? What did they do to you to cause you to stop taking them?
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~ Beth
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Wow, I can't tell you how scared I am of psylium as I sit here with my protruding belly! And horrible gas. If it does'nt help you with the C as much, does it give you gas and bloating?
Also, the dosages that you listed, are those the ones you started at?
I do have some Konsyl which is psylium but haven't had the guts to try it. Do you think Metamucil is gentler?
What other SFS have you tried? What did they do to you to cause you to stop taking them?
It did help with the gas and bloating(Didn't give me any!), mainly in the sense that it allowed me to eat more foods which normally would cause me gas/bloating. For example, I can now eat raw carrots(not too much at a time), where as without it, that would give me an attack(gas/bloating/pain), plus many other things. So I am much less bloated now. And it does help my constipation, just not as much as I'd like. Lets put it this way, using nothing but the Metamucil, I can go every other day, but small amounts/incomplete and still C. Beforehand, I could go only once a week on my own. So it is better.
I definitly started at lower dosages, I think I started at like 1/4 a dose once a day, cause I too was paranoid about how it would affect me. I upped it little by little, really slowely. As far as Konsyl, I've never tried that but I think it's more potent, so be careful with how much you start out with.
With other SFS's, I started with Citrocel, but that made me feel worse, then tried Benefiber which I tolerated ok but it didn't do anything at all, then tried Acacia which made me feel worse.
Good luck! If you do try the Metamucil, I suggest starting off with the pills so you can control how little you have at a time.
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This is just me, but I cope very well (at the moment!?) without SFS. I was horribly bloated using acacia so I stopped, the BMs continued and my bloating disappeared! So I'm rapt at the moment!
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Hi! I also take Citracel, once a day on "normal" days and twice a day if I'm having troubles. I found that it does help a lot. I was on Metamucil at first, but it did make me severely gassy and bloated...and even more constipated. After reading the message board, I switched over to Citracel. I'm not 100 percent "unconstipated," but I am definitely more regular and my BMs are not painful anymore. I am also fairly new to the diet, though, so I'm not sure if I'll be able to stop taking Citracel if I can regulate myself through food.
At any rate, I'm only 31...so I just joke about the Citracel with family and friends who know what I'm up against. It's not really a big deal...I'm almost as used to it as taking a vitamin!
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#130085 - 12/13/04 06:57 AM
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Augie
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Thanks for your response. Do you also take the powder form?
Doesn't it give you gas or bloat? I am also very scared to try doing this soley based on food because even with the citricel 3 times a day, I'm still not going! But lots of gas and major bloat.
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I absolutely HAVE TO take a sfs or else I'd go weeks without a BM....I take the acacia and it works wonderfully for me. Metamucil always gave me gas and bloating though.
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#130116 - 12/13/04 08:01 AM
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Augie
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Thanks for your personal take on this. I wanted to be able to manage the C without the SFS in hopes of having a flatter tummy and less gas! Even have started zelnorm, magnesium and triphala herb, flax meal to try and get a bm without the bloat and gas of an SFS.
Do you take mirelex (sp?) or anything else to get the bm, like colace? Or do you strictly stick to the SFS? How much did you need to get up to before getting the BMS? Did you go real slow?
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~ Beth
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Beth...I had the same problem, so I caved in and bought Heather's book. I thought the diet would be too extreme to follow, and was very resistant to it until I just got so bad I couldn't stand it. Here's what I've figured out about food in the past two weeks that might help you.
1) Whole wheat triggers my stomach. Instead of D, however, I get a gurgly, uncomfortably bloated and gassy stomach. So, I started avoiding it and feel much better.
2) Dairy is a constipating trigger, too. If I MUST have it, I take a maximum dose of lactaid beforehand and then eat well for the rest of the day.
3) I definitely have problems with raw veggies. I am trying the different recipes for cooked veggies in Heather's book and am having much more luck.
4) Hot peppermint and ginger tea DO help. As does a heating pad to your belly. It helps the pain and gas.
5) And finally...I gave up caffeine, specifically, coffee. It hurt for the first week, but I think that was one of my major triggers.
Did you try to do the "what to eat when you can't eat" diet for a couple of days? As miserable as it sounds, it does settle the bloat and gas down. I think I became a believer in food as a cure after that.
Compared to the metacmucil, citracel is much, much better. I don't like taking it before I have to go out, though...I just feel a little bit bloated and full, but I think that is from the amount of liquid I take it with. I think drinking lots and lots of water helps, too...maybe really pushing the fluids will help get you started.
I hope that was a little helpful! Please write back if you have any other questions. I have to say, though, this is helping me feel a lot better, and I really do think the citracel helps keep me as regular as I can be at this point.
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#130140 - 12/13/04 08:49 AM
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Augie
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So you take the powder form of citricel, and only once a day at night? That's only 2 grams fiber.
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~ Beth
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I use one scoop of powder, yes...the scoop that comes with the citracel. I mostly helps by softening everything up, which is why I have such pain with my BMs. If I travel or get off my regular schedule, I need to up the dosage to 2 or 3 times a day. It seems to work for now, but I'm waiting to see a specialist and see what he has to say.
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#130177 - 12/13/04 11:14 AM
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Casper
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I'm not very good about taking the fibercon, but when I do it's one tablet a day (which is probably not enough). Do you take a probiotic? I find that helps a bit. I did not know that Fiber One had artificial sweetner in it.  So far it had not affected me, but I only mix about one or two talbespoons in with the rest of my cereal. I drink ALOT of herbal tea. Sometimes a brew it and put it in the freezer so I can have ice tea. Be careful with prunes. They may do more harm than good. I only use them when I a VERY desperate. 
I'm at a loss as to what to tell you about your GF diet.  perhaps you should try to ask Heather. I realy try to stay away from Rice products when I'm totaly backed up.
Maybe you can try a lazxative like colace. I think it's pretty gentle. Best of luck to you. Let me know what you find out. I'm always open to new ideas.
Chany
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#130203 - 12/13/04 12:50 PM
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XXXXX
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I use a natural sweetener called Stevia-plus in my tea every morning. If I eat more than usual during the day I will have two cups of tea with the Stevia-plus. Stevia-plus comes in a packet like Equal.
I don't do acacia or any of the other stuff listed on the boards other than watching what I eat of course. As long as I keep my stress level to a minimum, I do very well.
I hope this helps! You can find Stevia-Plus in the natural food section of most grocery stores.
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Re: Kimm
#130210 - 12/13/04 01:01 PM
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Kimm
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I started at 1 tsp twice a day and now I'm at 2 tbs twice a day....this seems to work well with me. It's the only thing I take for the C...although there have been times I've gotten extremely bad and used milk of magnesia but on a regular basis i stick to the acacia and it works well for me....
you will get some bloating and gas when you first start but your body should get used to it....if it doesn't go away then your dose may be too high so you should try taking a little less....
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Re: Kimm
#130214 - 12/13/04 01:16 PM
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Augie
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So you take a total of 4 Tablespoons a day? Did I get that right? I guess everyone has different tolerance levels. Glad you have had GL with acacia. How long did it take you to get u to 4 Tablespoons?
I was really hoping to not have to take an SFS and manage the C with diet. I'm blaming the gas/bloating all on the citricel. But I don't think I'm going to be able to do just the diet.
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I think stevia plus has FOS in it. I thought this product was suppose to be bad for our tummies. The stevia plus actually gives you good BM's? What's in it that does that? Did someone recommend this to you?
Has anyone else had success with this?
Thank you so much for this bit of advice. I'm leery of the FOS in it though, and the fact that it may be considered an "alternative" sugar.
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Stevia itself is a completely natural and safe substance, the extract of stevia leaf.
FOS- Inulin is used with success by some, and not tolerated well by others.
Looks like this particular product is a much higher percentage of Inulin than Stevia. I've picked up a box myself and am trying it out right now, since I'm suspecting the fiber supplement I had been using to be the cause of my bloating woes.
But if you want to just use stevia you can get it at your local health, co-op, Vitamin Shoppe, or what-have-you.
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Re: Ptillen
#130291 - 12/13/04 07:12 PM
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ptillen
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No, stevia is simply an extract from a plant that is naturally sweet and is used as a sweetener. Has no effect (presumably) on the GI system, but is recommended by many because it's a natural sugar alternative.
I'm giving Stevia- Plus (kind of a brand name for this particular combination of stevia and inulin, I think) a try; just started it today so it's too early to tell.
I've used just plain old stevia often in the past. Works well as a sweetener; you have to get used to a slightly different kind of sweet taste, but it's worth it to know you're not using sugar and not using a chemical sugar substitute.
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Hi Beth,
I'm like you go a few days doing ok then C kicks in big time for a few days, I dare not stop taking the SFS even though I still get the cramping and bloating. But better to go than not at all.
Chin up keep smiling we'll all get their someday.
Debs
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Hi Kimm
Fairly new to this, I am a C and have just started on Accacia, can you recommend how much to use ??
Not having as many (BM's) alately since starting on the Acaccia.
Debs
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it's different for everyone....take a look at the post at the top of the board about acacia dosages
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Re: Kimm
#130360 - 12/14/04 06:30 AM
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It took me about 4 months to get to 4 tbs....and I'm fine with that now....I haven't had to increase it in 6 months and it's working great!!
Check out the post at the top of the boards about acacia dosages!!
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Okay, still not sure if stevia plus is a product that helps alleviate constipation or just a sugar substitute or both!
Tiatojoy says it does cause BM's. And I think you mentioned your earlier post that you are trying it because you are not happy with your SFS, which sounds like you are expecting the Stevia plus to also help with BM's since your SFS isn't working too well for you.
Would you mind trying to explain this to me one more time? Sorry I'm so dense on this. I would definately try this if it helped with having more BM's, but not likely to buy it just to use as a sweetner.
Thanks ptillen. Again sorry I'm not understanding your responses! I'm so tired right now, I need a nap!
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STEVIA: a product made from the leaves of a wild herb native to Paraguay. This herb has been used for centuries as a sweetener; still is, all over the world.
Here may be the source of some confusion. Since the passage of the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA), stevia can be sold legally in the United States, but only as a "dietary supplement." Even so, it can be found in many forms in most health-food stores, and is also incorporated into drinks, teas and other items (all labeled as "dietary supplements"). It cannot, however, be called a "sweetener" or even referred to as "sweet." To do so would render the product "adulterated," according to the FDA, and make it subject to seizure.
STEVIA PLUS: the brand name of a product made up of a little bit of stevia and quite a bit more Inulin (a kind of soluble fiber found in many SFS's.)
Many people prefer to use stevia as a sweetener because it is organic and not a chemical sweetener like Equal or saccharin. I believe it has no effect on the GI system.
I'm pretty sure Tiatojoy is referring to Stevia Plus as the product she's so happy with. It's the Inulin part she's happy with, not the stevia part.
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#130538 - 12/14/04 06:36 PM
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Augie
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The brand you buy --does it come in a black box or a green box, I've seen them both.
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Sorry about the confusion. I thought you were taking stevia plus because you wanted more fiber and thus better BM's.
I realize the stevia is just the sweetner, but was just wondering if the stevia plus helped with BM's
Sorry again. I didn't mean for you to have to go through all that explanation. I didn't communicate my question clearly enough. Sorry
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No problem. I thought I'd give Stevia Plus a try because I'd rather use stevia as a sweetener rather than other sugar alternatives, and maybe the Plus part might be a way to kill two birds, so to speak.
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Keep me updated! Does this product come in a green box or a black? I may have seen this in a store before.
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Edited by Augie (12/14/04 07:36 PM)
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Tiatojoy:
#130738 - 12/15/04 12:44 PM
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Augie
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You don't take any SFS at all? Do you follow the IBS diet? Or do you eat whatever you want and drink whatever you want, etc. And no digestive enzymes or probiotics or anything except the Stevia Plus?
I don't understand how one product can take care of D, gas, bloat, cramps, Constipation, belching, and all the food triggers that are off limits (chocolate, fat, soda, dairy,etc- the ones in Heathers books.
That's awesome if it works for you! I doubt I would get the same result. I'm pretty darn severe IBS. I mean ready to jump off a cliff sick! 
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#130781 - 12/15/04 02:19 PM
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I have been blessed in that I am able to control my IBS with my diet. I love asian food (good thing since I am half-Korean!) and most of it is IBS safe. I eat NO dairy, red meat or pork and very little chicken. White rice is my starch of choice, I don't eat much bread.
My "C" is worse when I am emotionally stressed out...thankfully that isn't often.
For me, drinking a packet of Stevia-plus with herbal tea every morning keeps me regular. I learned this by accident. Last winter I went on a business trip...I had just weaned myself off of coffee and was drinking a ton of herbal tea. The artificial sweetners are awful for those of us with IBS so I took my Stevia-plus. I couldn't believe that I was having a BM once or twice a day and essentially said a prayer of thanks and forgot all about my regularity while traveling which is not the norm.
I went on another business trip in August..ate like a pig, ate stuff I wasn't supposed to like baked brie cheese and omelets..cheesecake, it was ridiculous. I had my Stevia-plus with me, suffered not one bit with my stomach, had a BM up to three times a day....UNHEARD OF FOR A PERSON WITH "C" and lost 5 pounds!
There is a direct correlation with me, Stevia-plus and BM's! To keep me regular, I drink one cup of herbal tea with Stevia-plus in it.If I eat more than usual, I will have another cup in the evening.
So for me...between watching what I eat, working very hard to live a peaceful life and one packet of Stevia-plus a day, I have my IBS under control.
I don't take acacia, benefiber or any of that other stuff. It usually makes my IBS worse. There is no magic formula to everyone's IBS. Much of what I have done has been trial and error...it's taken me about three years to figure out exactly what works for me. I hope it takes less time for you!
I hope this helps!
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This is what I have cut out:
carbonated beverages
coffee-I cheat every once in a while 
corn
brussell sprouts
bread-for the most part
red meat
pork
dairy-I used to eat soy or rice cheese,I don't bother with that any more.
eggs
What I do eat....rice, rice noodles, egg beaters, white meat and fish...generally the stuff that is in the diet.
I hope this helps!
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Tiatojoy
#130826 - 12/15/04 03:59 PM
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Augie
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Thanks for sharing your story with me. I am so happy that you have found your "cure" for IBS. For me, it's already been over three years of trying to figure things out. But only recently have I tried "Heathers" way. Don't seem to be getting anywhere yet.
I believe that stress is a big trigger for me and, unfortunatly, I have major generalized anxiety disorder. I'm talking big time! I've recently returned to church as I believe that only with God do I have a fighting chance with this hideous IBS.
I am curious as to why you cut out bread. Even the White breads? Have you tried Gluten Free breads? Also, fat free chips and low fat cereals are suppose to be okay too (KIX, rice chex,etc.)
Thanks for sharing. I just wish things that work for one person would work for another. If I tried the Stevia Plus it could do nothing for me. Or worse, the FOS could actually make me more symptomatic. This IBS has no rhyme or reason. No solution that works universally. 
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Constipation, pain prodominent,cramps, spasms and bloat!
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#130834 - 12/15/04 04:40 PM
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I am not a big bread eater...I would rather have rice.
I know that God has everything to do with my feeling better. I used to go to Lakewood Church in Houston and have had Dodie Osteen pray for my healing...remember to give God the glory when you find what works best for you.
Imagine what it would be like for those with no faith in the healing power of God...who else can they turn to at a time like this? Believe...believe...believe...faith can move mountains!
Hugs,
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#130850 - 12/15/04 06:00 PM
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Augie
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So it's not that bread triggers C or other problems--you just don't like it?
I agree. Without God, I would never ever be able to get up every morning with all this pain. He is the only one who keeps me from saying "enough, I quit". I would not be here anymore if I didn't have Him.
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FYI- the fiber in Stevia Plus is the same fiber that's in FiberChoice chewables 
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Re: Augie
#131334 - 12/17/04 10:18 AM
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Does the Stevia actually make you have a BM?
Curious,
Jessica
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