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      #121165 - 11/11/04 11:58 PM
thepurplelollie

Reged: 11/11/04
Posts: 374
Loc: Wellington, New Zealand

From daliatree's shakes/shivers thread, it got me wondering how many of us also have some sort of anxiety troubles? From the few responses there it seemed quite common.
For the longest time I thought ALL my symptoms were due to anxiety, which made it worse, as I told myself I was making it up! Getting it through my head that my symptoms are NOT "all in my head", and that I the nausea and the shakiness are probably due to my IBS has gone a long way towards reducing my anxiety.
Also with the not being able to vomit, it makes me wonder whether there are a few other emetophobics (phobia of vomiting) with IBS?

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Re: Anxiety and IBS new
      #121186 - 11/12/04 05:12 AM
heather7476

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Loc: South East Michigan

Lots of people here have a problem with Anxiety!! It can cause a majior attack!! So can Stress!!! Stress is my worst trigger!!! It does not mean it is all in your head!! It just means that it is part of the whole problem!!! So you are not making this up hon!!! BIG HUGS!!!! You might want to try the Hypno Tapes!!!
Good luck!!!

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Oh yeah.... new
      #121192 - 11/12/04 06:15 AM
atomic rose

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Loc: Maine (IBS-A stable since July '05!)

...to all of the above. I was actually diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder *and* post-traumatic stress disorder this past summer, finally... it was nice putting a name to all of it, and even nicer to start therapy/medication to manage it... but tell ya what, my IBS, at least, is definitely NOT all a result of anxiety. It's very definitely a physical problem.

And yep, I'm emetophobic. Very. Even on medication, nausea sends me into a panic attack, although it's a lot milder now than it used to be.

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I'm emetaphobic new
      #121227 - 11/12/04 08:17 AM
daliatree

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Loc: Manhattan, New York

I am an emetaphobe...big time..though I fight it a lot. i would always make myself go near a puking drunk friend and hold their hair to face it. but if I hear someone has a tummy bug I run a mile...I am terrified to the point of anxiety attacks of catching it, and nausea is one of my major symptoms.
though, I KNOW the difference between anxiety nausea and physiological nausea. it feels different, I can feel the trigger setting it off (like to hear that someone in my family threw up and I go into freak out mode that I am going to catch it) I HATE this phobia of mine and am jealous of people that can just throw up (my mum) without making it a life issue. I remember everytime I have thrown up from the age of 7 like it was yesterday. And it hasn't been often. I haven't thrown up since I was 16 and am now 25, though have come close. I really want to beat this fear.
I have suffered with anxiety attacks too, though I got them mainly under control without medication. Very interesting.

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Re: I'm emetaphobic new
      #121373 - 11/12/04 05:35 PM
thepurplelollie

Reged: 11/11/04
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Loc: Wellington, New Zealand

It's nice to know I'm not as freaky as I thought! I've NEVER met another emetophobe in person.
It's been a lot worse this year, because I threw up in April. I can seriously count the number of times it's happened since I was five on one hand, so when it happened this year it took away the only thought that kept me from completely freaking out: "it'll be okay, I never do!"
As a consequence, my IBS has been a lot worse this year, and nausea is one of my main symptoms. I'm still learning to tell the difference between IBS nausea, hungry nausea and panic nausea though.
My whole year has been a vicious cycle of panic and IBS problems. I think it might be time to invest in some quality healthcare (ie, not the university doctor and counsellor, who think I'm a neurotic self-diagnosing psychology student!).

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Re: I'm emetaphobic new
      #121382 - 11/12/04 06:33 PM
LittleLisa

Reged: 06/22/04
Posts: 2018
Loc: USA

Me too! Daliatree you sound JUST like me. If I hear someone has the stomach bug, I run, run as fast as I can! Even when my kids have the bug, I stay away from them and I know it's terrible cause they need to cuddle when they feel bad but I'm so phobic of throwing up I stay away from them. I too can also count on my hand and know exactly when I threw up last. It was three years ago in April. Me and another neighbor caught the stomach bug the same day. We were puking at the same time. It was kinda funny but not at the same time. We (6 of us) all had been out the night before and how just the two of us got it is weird.
I too get so jealous of the people that can throw up and think nothing of it. I so wish I could be like that too and when I am throwing up, I have to talk myself better and make myself calm down.
I'm glad there are other people out there just like me. IBS, Anxiety and now fear of puking! Life's grand ain't it This is exactly why these boards are so wonderful. You can talk about ANYTHING and it doesn't sound at all gross.


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Re: I'm emetaphobic new
      #121385 - 11/12/04 06:57 PM
sarahinoz

Reged: 11/09/04
Posts: 15
Loc: Melbourne, Australia

I'm emetaphobic too! And like most of you, I do get jealous of people who can throw up! I find myself asking 'Is it really that bad?' and trying to talk myself around that it isnt as bad as I imagine it to be. I find that my fear isnt so much the act itself, its the lead up to it, and I am terrified that I am going to vomit in public or at work or something. I did throw up at the end of last year (after a big night), and i remember thinking at the time 'Gee, this isnt half as bad as I thought'. Well, since then, I've managed to terrify myself out of it again!

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Re: I'm emetaphobic new
      #121388 - 11/12/04 07:14 PM
daliatree

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Loc: Manhattan, New York

this is incredible! emetaphobia must be more common then I originally thought! apparently drunk puking is not as bad as bug puking. I never over drank in order not to have to puke! I am so glad to have others to relate to!

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Re: I'm emetaphobic (the other way) new
      #121462 - 11/13/04 08:04 AM
Rylee

Reged: 10/09/04
Posts: 75


I'm phobic about D. My family members get the stomach bug and they throw up once or twice and they are fine. I wish I could throw up but "NO", I have to sit on the throne with "D" for ever and then take weeks to get back to normal. Anyone else do that?

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i'm just like you new
      #121463 - 11/13/04 08:26 AM

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I get so paranoid if anyone in my family feels sick to their stomach or just anyone I've been around, I am afraid to eat chicken at restaurants b/c i fear samonilla poisoning, the list goes on and on. Not that I drink now anyhow, but I was always afraid of being drunk to the point of throwing up. I plug my ears if I know I'm going to hear it happen on tv...lol the list goes on and on. It really is a dibilitating sort of a phobia. Last winter when my IBS was really bad I remember I would just avoid going anywhere really at all cause I hated to be stranded somewhere and feel like I was going to throw up. I slept with a plastic bag next to my bed just in case since I felt sick soooo much of time. I remember going to see the Rockettes Xmas Spectacular show last December and I HAD to sit on the end of the aisle just in case I had to make a mad dash. And I too remember like every single time I've thrown up and vivdly remember the times that I know I was soooo close. Well just had to share that. Nice to know I'm not alone here!

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Re: I'm emetaphobic new
      #121465 - 11/13/04 08:36 AM
Kimm

Reged: 03/10/04
Posts: 1171
Loc: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

I am exactly the same way!!! I didn't know there were so many other people out there who were the same way!!

If I hear that a friend or a family member has the stomach bug then I run the other way or I start to panic that I'm going to catch it. When the winter months come (and stomach bugs are more common)I start to worry that someone in my house is going to catch the stomach flu and give it to me.

The last time I had the stomach flu was 6 years ago and it went around my entire family...it was terrible....and it scares me that I'm going to catch it again!!

What can we do about this?

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Re: Anxiety and IBS new
      #121500 - 11/13/04 01:32 PM
Lefty1

Reged: 08/09/04
Posts: 157


Hi there,

My 12 year old daughter has this fear of throwing up. I did not know that so many people had the same trouble.

If someone in her school looks sick she will come home and tell me that she got up and moved far away from that person. When she was younger (3-9 years old) she would scream and cry and wave her arms and shake because she was sure she was going to throw- up.

We were at a restaurant the other day and my son was choking -too much food in his mouth - that's a whole different story! Anyway, she tried to run away from the table. She thought he was throwing-up, poor thing!

She is seeing someone for help, she has other worries, but maybe I should address this issue.

Good luck to everyone. If I learn anything I will let you know.



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Re: Anxiety and IBS new
      #121503 - 11/13/04 01:52 PM
shawneric

Reged: 01/30/03
Posts: 1738
Loc: Oregon

I have been posting this on other bb's, including my own, it is a lot of information but will post it here.

Stress and anxiety and worry and fear and all kinds of other things come into play in IBS, because of what's called the brain gut axis. This as I said is a lot of info, some very complex. It may take a while to read and learn some of these things.


know there is often talk on this discussion forum, on all the possible causes of IBS and little attension is payed to the suffering and emotional states of people with IBS and the fears and worries of what could it be and many other issues and how that really effects our symptoms.

But it would be good to think of another aspect of IBS which is very important, while they find the cause/causes for IBS and the suffering that people have now.


Changing your thoughts in IBS
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FYI

It is well known in IBS stress and anxiety can play a major role in triggering symptoms and contribute to making pain worse and effecting the colon. I would like this thread to be about such issues and psycophysiolgoical workings of the brain gut axis and psycophysiological arousal and distress, anxiety, antisipatory anxiety, and negative reaction to symptoms, and how calming the Mind and body often makes a significant difference in symptoms. I know for myself and many others, that the symptoms themselves are enough to contribute to negative thought processes and more anxiety and worry and anger and a whole array of negative thought processes. The longer a person has IBS, the deeper these thought processes can become imbedded in our thinking and in our mental states and the more a person suffers from the vicous cycle of IBS.

This is not to say IBS "is all in the head" it is not, it is a very real physical problem and that is well known by most nowadays hopefully.


First and this is bascially a form of CBT, this is on going to the dentist, but lets apply it to IBS and we can use our imagniantions and subsitute IBS for going to the dentist and how these negative thought processes effect the gut and gut function, which is also very well known now.

SO


The key to being relatively calm in the dentist's chair begins well
before the actual visit. I say relatively calm because if you're
suffering from dental phobia and have been for a while, it's unlikely
that you will feel "perfectly" comfortable your first or second visit.
Each of us must take an active part in overcoming our fears. People
don't get over their fear of heights for instance, in an flash. It takes
practice - practice changing your thoughts. Long before the
dreaded event you must take charge of your thinking. If you
consciously make an effort at being more calm, you will be more
calm.

Let's create a mental picture. You're sitting at your desk and glance
at the calendar. You notice your dental appointment is only two
weeks from today. Immediately your mind kicks into overdrive. "I
know it's going to be terrible. What if I get nauseous while I'm in the
chair? What if the anesthetic doesn't take hold quickly enough? I
know it's going to hurt. I'm grateful I found a new dentist who
advertises gentle procedures, but can I trust him to be gentle with
my mouth? Oh I remember that awful antiseptic stench from when I
was a youngster. I wonder if they've found anyway to correct that?"

As you think about the upcoming visit, your body begins responding
to your fear thoughts. Physical sensations can range from mild to
severe depending on how vivid a scene you've painted in your mind,
and how long you engage in the working up process. Your
shoulders and neck may feel tense. Your jaw may start to hurt
because you've got it got your teeth clamped together so tightly.
You may find yourself short of breath or a headache may be
looming on the horizon. Your stomach may be churning and your
insides trembling.

Actually these body signals can be viewed as good instead of bad.
They are a sure sign that you are thinking fear and a signal for you
to take action. You see the body doesn't know the difference
between an imagined experience and a real one. How can that be
you say! If you doubt my words, think about a frightful dream you
experienced, one where someone or something was chasing you.
You awaken from the dream feeling as though your heart is
pounding out of your chest, perhaps even perspiring. Your body
was reacting to an imagined fear, thoughts you were having in a
dream state. The character in your dream was not reality, yet your
body responded as if he were genuine.

Each and every time you catch yourself anxious about your
upcoming appointment, stop and W.A.I.T. Stop and ask yourself:
What Am I Thinking? Rather than letting your thoughts control you,
take the time to control your thoughts. Consciously toss out the
unhealthy fear thoughts and replace them with healthy secure and
realistic thoughts.

Using the picture we created earlier, here are a few ways to
reprogram what's going on in your mind. The original thoughts are in
italic, followed by the replacement thought(s).

Your dental appointment is only two weeks from today

You can view that fact insecurely, the appointment is only
two weeks away, or securely - the appointment is still two
weeks away.

I know it's going to be terrible

You really don't know how uncomfortable it's going to be.
The anticipation is always worse than the actual event.

What if I get nauseous while I'm in the chair?

Feeling nauseous is uncomfortable, but doesn't necessarily
mean that anything worse is going to happen. Feeling
nauseous is distressing, but it is not dangerous. Feelings
and sensations will rise, fall and run their course if we
don't attach danger to them. Take away the fear (danger)
and your stomach will quiet down on it's own accord.

What if the anesthetic doesn't take hold quickly enough?

If you feel the first poke of a dental instrument, speak up.
Tell the doctor it hurts. If you begin to feel pain while the
drilling's going on, hold up your hand as a signal to the
doc. You may not be able to speak clearly with the
position you're mouth is in, but you can make some kind of
sound, Grunt if you need to.- but do show some sign that
you're feeling pain. Remember your pain receptors are in
your body. Even though the dentists fingers are in your
mouth, he has no clue of what you're feeling unless you let
him know. Do not suffer in silence. And if you're concerned
about sounding a bit odd, don't. Dentists, assistants and
hygienists are used to hearing us
"talk with our mouths full."

I know it's going to hurt

The replacement thought here is simply: I don't know if it's
going to hurt - because you really don't know! None of us
can predict the future.

I'm grateful I found a new dentist who advertises gentle
procedures, but can I trust him to be gentle with my mouth?

Realistically there is no guarantee. But in all probability the
man or woman is more compassionate and caring than the
dentists of long ago.

Oh I remember that awful antiseptic stench from when I was a
youngster. I wonder if they've found anyway to correct that?

Most probably they have. New technology dentistry now
includes pleasant flavors for the things they place in our
mouths. If the flavors have improved, so have the scents.
Everything on the patient end of dentistry Is more
user-friendly these days.

And all those physical sensations you experience two weeks before
your appointment are the direct result of your fear thoughts - they
too are distressing, but they are not dangerous.

Practice in reprogramming thoughts has two beneficial effects. It
calms down the anticipatory fear you have before your visit, and
makes it easier to calm yourself down at the office. It's much easier
to recall secure and realistic thoughts if you've taken the time to use
them before. You can have them at your fingertips or the tip of your
tongue, ready to use while you're in the chair.

Another excellent method for stopping racing thoughts is objectivity
- the process of thinking of something measurable and verifiable.
This is a great technique to use, when you're stuck "in the chair."
Think about your automobile and picture every detail - interior and
exterior colors, number of doors, the shape of the door handles, all
the indicators on the dashboard, the type of fabric on the seats.
The list is endless. If you don't own an automobile, think of a
specific room in your home. Think about the size of the room -
length, width, height of the ceiling, how the furniture is placed, the
colors, lamps and all other accessories. It's a fact that we can only
have a single thought in a single instant. Describing in your mind
(thinking about) an object or objects that are familiar to you doesn't
give the mind a chance to harbor racing, upsetting thoughts. Fear
thoughts are persistent and they will try to sneak back in. When
they do, simply bring your attention (your thoughts) back to
describing your chosen object or place.

When you have a fear of dentists you really have the choice of two
discomforts -the actual discomfort you may feel during the
appointment (notice I said "may" have), or you have the discomfort
of not going and having the needed work done and beating yourself
up for giving into your fear. The dialogue goes like this: I'm such a
coward. But I can't help it. I'm scared. But I can't admit it to
anyone.

Every act of self-control produces a sense of self-respect. Along
with the relief you feel for having the dental procedure behind you
instead of staring you in the face, I guarantee you that when you
face your fear you will gain a realistic sense of self-pride. This next
step is important whether you do it immediately after you leave the
office or later on in the day - take time to give yourself a mental pat
on the back. You deserve it! No one else needs to be aware of it. It
was your effort that got you through. It's your victory and you can
be proud of it.

Whether your fear is dentists or tax audits, driving or diving, the
above tactics will work at reducing anxiety. If your anxiety has
grown into a full blown phobia, it's merely going to take more of
your effort. The key as with any life skill is do put to use what
you've learned. Changing thoughts is the first step in taking back
control of your life.

Print this article and carry it with you for easy reference. Memorize
and use the phrase "distressing but not dangerous." Do whatever it
takes to help you be an active participant in reprogramming your
mind.

It's true - Change your thoughts and change your life.

1998 Rose VanSickle

Author - Peace of Body, Peace of Mind


Does the above ring true for anyone, in going on long car rides for example or "where is the bathroom for example, or even anger in consitpation that you can't go or anxiety that you can go, which can contirbute to not going, or anxiety with d, which can contribute to d. ect. Or worry and anxiety the doctors have missed something which is causing your IBS Ect..

No problem Nancy, I can only but try to help explain some of the gut brain intereactions that are known to trigger symptoms. This is a very important part of IBS and IBS research and things they already know and understand about the disorder. I will keep posting more on it here, in the hopes it will help some understand the physical systems that the digestive system is connected too.

This is the actual the stress system and how it works and on a side not it is connected to fighting pathogens and threats to the digestive system.

Stress System Malfunction Could Lead to Serious, Life Threatening Disease

NOTE: IBS is not a serious life threatening disease that is just the name of the article with the information in it.

"The Stress Circuit

The HPA axis is a feedback loop by which signals from the brain trigger the release of hormones needed to respond to stress. Because of its function, the HPA axis is also sometimes called the "stress circuit."

Briefly, in response to a stress, the brain region known as the hypothalamus releases corticotropin-releasing hormone (CRH). In turn, CRH acts on the pituitary gland, just beneath the brain, triggering the release of another hormone, adrenocorticotropin (ACTH) into the bloodstream. Next, ACTH signals the adrenal glands, which sit atop the kidneys, to release a number of hormonal compounds.

These compounds include epinephrine (formerly known as adrenaline), Norepinephrine (formerly known as noradrenaline) and cortisol. All three hormones enable the body to respond to a threat. Epinephrine increases blood pressure and heart rate, diverts blood to the muscles, and speeds reaction time. Cortisol, also known as glucocorticoid, releases sugar (in the form of glucose) from the body reserves so that this essential fuel can be used to power the muscles and the brain.

Normally, cortisol also exerts a feedback effect to shut down the stress response after the threat has passed, acting upon the hypothalamus and causing it to stop producing CRH.

This stress circuit affects systems throughout the body. The hormones of the HPA axis exert their effect on the autonomic nervous system, which controls such vital functions as heart rate, blood pressure, and digestion.

The HPA axis also communicates with several regions of the brain, including the limbic system, which controls motivation and mood, with the amygdala, which generates fear in response to danger, and with the hippocampus, which plays an important part in memory formation as well as in mood and motivation. In addition, the HPA axis is also connected with brain regions that control body temperature, suppress appetite, and control pain.

Similarly, the HPA axis also interacts with various other glandular systems, among them those producing reproductive hormones, growth hormones, and thyroid hormones. Once activated, the stress response switches off the hormonal systems regulating growth, reproduction, metabolism, and immunity. Short term, the response is helpful, allowing us to divert biochemical resources to dealing with the threat."

http://www.nichd.nih.gov/new/releases/stress.cfm


The stress sytem is also part of all humans fight or flight system.

"What is the "fight or flight response?"

This fundamental physiologic response forms the foundation of modern day stress medicine. The "fight or flight response" is our body's primitive, automatic, inborn response that prepares the body to "fight" or "flee" from perceived attack, harm or threat to our survival.

What happens to us when we are under excessive stress?
When we experience excessive stress—whether from internal worry or external circumstance—a bodily reaction is triggered, called the "fight or flight" response. Originally discovered by the great Harvard physiologist Walter Cannon, this response is hard-wired into our brains and represents a genetic wisdom designed to protect us from bodily harm. This response actually corresponds to an area of our brain called the hypothalamus, which—when stimulated—initiates a sequence of nerve cell firing and chemical release that prepares our body for running or fighting.

What are the signs that our fight or flight response has been stimulated (activated)?

When our fight or flight response is activated, sequences of nerve cell firing occur and chemicals like adrenaline, noradrenaline and cortisol are released into our bloodstream. These patterns of nerve cell firing and chemical release cause our body to undergo a series of very dramatic changes. Our respiratory rate increases. Blood is shunted away from our digestive tract and directed into our muscles and limbs, which require extra energy and fuel for running and fighting. Our pupils dilate. Our awareness intensifies. Our sight sharpens. Our impulses quicken. Our perception of pain diminishes. Our immune system mobilizes with increased activation. We become prepared—physically and psychologically—for fight or flight. We scan and search our environment, "looking for the enemy."

When our fight or flight system is activated, we tend to perceive everything in our environment as a possible threat to our survival. By its very nature, the fight or flight system bypasses our rational mind—where our more well thought out beliefs exist—and moves us into "attack" mode. This state of alert causes us to perceive almost everything in our world as a possible threat to our survival. As such, we tend to see everyone and everything as a possible enemy. Like airport security during a terrorist threat, we are on the look out for every possible danger. We may overreact to the slightest comment. Our fear is exaggerated. Our thinking is distorted. We see everything through the filter of possible danger. We narrow our focus to those things that can harm us. Fear becomes the lens through which we see the world.

We can begin to see how it is almost impossible to cultivate positive attitudes and beliefs when we are stuck in survival mode. Our heart is not open. Our rational mind is disengaged. Our consciousness is focused on fear, not love. Making clear choices and recognizing the consequences of those choices is unfeasible. We are focused on short-term survival, not the long-term consequences of our beliefs and choices. When we are overwhelmed with excessive stress, our life becomes a series of short-term emergencies. We lose the ability to relax and enjoy the moment. We live from crisis to crisis, with no relief in sight. Burnout is inevitable. This burnout is what usually provides the motivation to change our lives for the better. We are propelled to step back and look at the big picture of our lives—forcing us to examine our beliefs, our values and our goals.

What is our fight or flight system designed to protect us from?

Our fight or flight response is designed to protect us from the proverbial saber tooth tigers that once lurked in the woods and fields around us, threatening our physical survival. At times when our actual physical survival is threatened, there is no greater response to have on our side. When activated, the fight or flight response causes a surge of adrenaline and other stress hormones to pump through our body. This surge is the force responsible for mothers lifting cars off their trapped children and for firemen heroically running into blazing houses to save endangered victims. The surge of adrenaline imbues us with heroism and courage at times when we are called upon to protect and defend the lives and values we cherish.

What are the saber tooth tigers of today and why are they so dangerous?

When we face very real dangers to our physical survival, the fight or flight response is invaluable. Today, however, most of the saber tooth tigers we encounter are not a threat to our physical survival. Today's saber tooth tigers consist of rush hour traffic, missing a deadline, bouncing a check or having an argument with our boss or spouse. Nonetheless, these modern day, saber tooth tigers trigger the activation of our fight or flight system as if our physical survival was threatened. On a daily basis, toxic stress hormones flow into our bodies for events that pose no real threat to our physical survival.

Once it has been triggered, what is the natural conclusion of our fight or flight response?

By its very design, the fight or flight response leads us to fight or to flee—both creating immense amounts of muscle movement and physical exertion. This physical activity effectively metabolizes the stress hormones released as a result of the activation of our fight or flight response. Once the fighting is over, and the threat—which triggered the response—has been eliminated, our body and mind return to a state of calm.

Has the fight or flight response become counterproductive?

In most cases today, once our fight or flight response is activated, we cannot flee. We cannot fight. We cannot physically run from our perceived threats. When we are faced with modern day, saber tooth tigers, we have to sit in our office and "control ourselves." We have to sit in traffic and "deal with it." We have to wait until the bank opens to "handle" the bounced check. In short, many of the major stresses today trigger the full activation of our fight or flight response, causing us to become aggressive, hypervigilant and over-reactive. This aggressiveness, over-reactivity and hypervigilance cause us to act or respond in ways that are actually counter-productive to our survival. Consider road rage in Los Angeles and other major cities.

It is counterproductive to punch out the boss (the fight response) when s/he activates our fight or flight response. (Even though it might bring temporary relief to our tension!) It is counterproductive to run away from the boss (the flight response) when s/he activates our fight or flight response. This all leads to a difficult situation in which our automatic, predictable and unconscious fight or flight response causes behavior that can actually be self-defeating and work against our emotional, psychological and spiritual survival.

Is there a cumulative danger from over-activation of our fight or flight response?

Yes. The evidence is overwhelming that there is a cumulative buildup of stress hormones. If not properly metabolized over time, excessive stress can lead to disorders of our autonomic nervous system (causing headache, irritable bowel syndrome, high blood pressure and the like) and disorders of our hormonal and immune systems (creating susceptibility to infection, chronic fatigue, depression, and autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, and allergies.)

To protect ourselves today, we must consciously pay attention to the signals of fight or flight

To protect ourselves in a world of psychological—rather than physical—danger, we must consciously pay attention to unique signals telling us whether we are actually in fight or flight. Some of us may experience these signals as physical symptoms like tension in our muscles, headache, upset stomach, racing heartbeat, deep sighing or shallow breathing. Others may experience them as emotional or psychological symptoms such as anxiety, poor concentration, depression, hopelessness, frustration, anger, sadness or fear.

Excess stress does not always show up as the "feeling" of being stressed. Many stresses go directly into our physical body and may only be recognized by the physical symptoms we manifest. Two excellent examples of stress induced conditions are "eye twitching" and "teeth-grinding." Conversely, we may "feel" lots of emotional stress in our emotional body and have very few physical symptoms or signs in our body.

By recognizing the symptoms and signs of being in fight or flight, we can begin to take steps to handle the stress overload. There are benefits to being in fight or flight—even when the threat is only psychological rather than physical. For example, in times of emotional jeopardy, the fight or flight response can sharpen our mental acuity, thereby helping us deal decisively with issues, moving us to action. But it can also make us hypervigilant and over-reactive during times when a state of calm awareness is more productive. By learning to recognize the signals of fight or flight activation, we can avoid reacting excessively to events and fears that are not life threatening. In so doing, we can play "emotional judo" with our fight or flight response, "using" its energy to help us rather than harm us. We can borrow the beneficial effects (heightened awareness, mental acuity and the ability to tolerate excess pain) in order to change our emotional environment and deal productively with our fears, thoughts and potential dangers. "

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and when we talk about this keep this definition in mind. and also this article. But also keep in mind IBS is a physical problem, this is not "IBS is all in the head or psycobabble, but how all humans systems operate and the effects, as either a contributer to getting IBS in PI IBS studies or as a major trigger to IBSers, down to emotions, anxiety stress, worry, fear, pain, and the above mentioned feelings. But also later in ways work on these very real coordinated biological, behavioral, and psychological responses. "



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The Neurobiology of Stress and Emotions
By: Emeran A. Mayer, M.D., UCLA Mind Body Collaborative Research Center, UCLA School of Medicine, California


"We often hear the term "stress" associated with functional gastrointestinal (GI) disorders, such as irritable bowel syndrome (IBS). Many patients experience a worsening of symptoms during times of severely stressful life events. But what is stress? How often does it occur? How does our body respond to stress? This article explores the mechanisms that link stress and emotions to responses that have evolved to ensure survival and that, in the modern world, affect health—including gastrointestinal function. "


"Introduction
Stress is an adaptive response that is not unusual or unique to only certain individuals. In humans and animals, internal mechanisms have developed throughout evolution, which allow the individual to maximize their chances of survival when confronted with a stressor. A stressor in this context is any situation that represents an actual or perceived threat to the balance (homeostasis) of the organism. In a wide variety of real, life threatening situations -- such as an actual physical assault or a natural disaster -- stress induces a coordinated biological, behavioral, and psychological response. "

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This has to do with fear, the fight or flight and emotions and the brain. First is looking at these things like anxiety (mind chatter) and Fear (of symptoms say or getting in a car or where is the bathroom or when will the next pain attack start etc. )understanding them, then its how they apply to IBS and how to help change how we react.


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Part 1

DISCOVER Vol. 24 No. 3 (March 2003)
Table of Contents

Learning Series: The Brain and Emotions - part 1
Fear
Recent research shows that when something bad happens to you, part of your brain begins thinking independently, storing its own memories so it can save you next time. That worked fine a million years ago
By Steven Johnson
Photograph by Elinor Carucci
Graphics by Don Foley


You are driving at night down a quiet suburban street, listening to Van Morrison's ''Brown Eyed Girl'' on the stereo. As you cross an intersection, your peripheral vision picks up the flash of headlights descending on the right side of the car. In the split second before you hear the sound of metal grinding into metal, your body tenses, blood flows to your extremities, adrenaline surges, and time slows down. At impact you find yourself noticing surreal details—the bright orange jacket of a startled pedestrian, the low-hung branches of a dogwood tree at the side of the road. After a split second that seems like 10 minutes, your car lurches to a halt against the curb.
The physical event of one car colliding with another has run its course, but its emotional impact continues. The adrenaline and other stress hormones released in your body have brought you to a state of almost superhuman alertness; you feel more awake than you've felt in your entire life. You can review the details of the crash as though you were replaying a DVD of the event, all the details immaculately preserved. For weeks, as memory fades, details continue to haunt you. Driving through an intersection causes you to flinch, anticipating another crash; the flash of headlights makes your gut tighten. For months, driving at night seems far more dangerous than driving during the day. Even a year later, the sight of drooping dogwood flowers triggers a sense of dread. Hearing ''Brown Eyed Girl'' brings the whole sequence back to consciousness with astonishing clarity.
Anyone who has been through a traumatic event will recognize this scenario immediately— the sudden physical response of fear and its often debilitating persistence in memory. The feeling of fear, like all emotions, is something that happens to the body and the mind. Few memories are as easily triggered and as hard to shake as those in which we are confronted with an immediate threat. For people who have undergone serious trauma, including war veterans and rape survivors, memories of fear can sometimes play a dominant role in shaping personality, a condition we now call post-traumatic stress disorder.
Unraveling the mystery of how the mind experiences fear— perhaps the most primal and enduring of all the emotions— turns out to be one of the most interesting and instructive quests in the annals of recent neuroscience. We have learned that fear plays tricks with our memory and our perception of reality; we have also learned that the fear systems in the brain have their own perceptual channels and their own dedicated circuitry for storing traumatic memories. As scientists have mapped the path of fear through the brain, they have begun to explore ways to lessen its hold on the psyche, to prevent that car accident from keeping us off the road months later.
It seems intuitive to us that we would remember vividly the details of a frightening event like a car accident. But here is a question with a surprising answer: Would we remember our fear if we had no long-term memory?
An experiment performed nearly 100 years ago by Swiss psychologist Édouard Claparède provides a clue: Claparède was treating a woman suffering from a debilitating form of amnesia that left her incapable of forming new memories. She had suffered localized brain damage that preserved her basic mechanical and reasoning skills, along with most of her older memories. But beyond the duration of a few minutes, the recent past was lost to her— a condition brilliantly captured in the movie Memento, in which a man suffering similar memory loss solves a mystery by furiously scrawling new information on the backs of Polaroids before his memories fade to black.
Claparède's patient would have seemed straight out of a slapstick farce had her condition not been so tragic. Each day the doctor would greet her and run through a series of introductions. If he then left for 15 minutes, she would forget who he was. They'd do the introductions all over again. One day, Claparède decided to vary the routine. He introduced himself to the woman as usual, but when he reached to shake her hand for the first time, he concealed a pin in his palm.
It wasn't friendly, but Claparède was onto something. When he arrived the next day, his patient greeted him with the usual blank welcome— no memory of yesterday's pinprick, no memory of yesterday at all— until Claparède extended his hand. Without being able to explain why, the woman refused to shake. She was incapable of forming new memories, yet she had nevertheless remembered something— a subconscious sense of danger, a remembrance of past trauma. She failed utterly to recognize the face and the voice she'd encountered every day for months. But somehow, buried in her mind, she remembered a threat.


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The amygdala, which directs signal traffic in the brain when danger lurks, receives quick and dirty information directly from the thalamus in a route that neuroscientist Joseph LeDoux dubs the low road. This shortcut allows the brain to start responding to a threat within a few thousandths of a second. The amygdala also receives information via a high road from the visual cortex. Although the high road encodes much more detailed and specific information, the extra step takes at least twice as long— and could mean the difference between life and death. LeDoux says the disconnection between the two routes may underlie some disorders: "While in terms of survival it may be better to mistake a stick for a snake, people who have pathological fears may be treating sticks as snakes much of the time."
— Jocelyn Selim

About 25 years ago, a young postdoctoral student at weill Medical College of Cornell University in Manhattan named Joseph LeDoux was casting about for a research focus. Cognitive science, with an emphasis on computer modeling, was the hot new field. But LeDoux was interested in emotions, and "there wasn't a lot going on there,'' he remembers, sitting in his office at New York University, where he is a professor of neural science. ''So I read around and came across studies on fear conditioning." Claparède's pin turns out to be a somewhat diabolical twist on the classic behaviorist experiment of fear conditioning: Put a rat in a cage, play a tone, and simultaneously deliver a shock to the animal. After a few rounds of tone and shock, the rat starts to fear the tone even if it's not accompanied by the shock. The fear reaction— noticeable because the rat freezes in place— has been observed in species as diverse as pigeons, rabbits, baboons, and humans. It is called a conditioned response. The rat has an unconditioned innate fear of shocks, but it can be conditioned to be afraid of tones if the two are associated with each other. In Claparède's version of the experiment, the pin was the shock. His outstretched hand was the tone. After only one exposure to the shock and the tone, the amnesiac patient acquired a conditioned fear response to shaking hands with her doctor.
Conditioned fear is easy: Fruit flies, marine snails, even lizards can be trained to display defensive behavior in response to threatening stimuli, along the lines of the tone and shock experiments. Conditioned fear turns out to be one of the most essential techniques that natural selection stumbled across to increase the survival odds of organisms in an unpredictable environment. But until a few decades ago, we had almost no idea how that learning actually took place. The ubiquity of conditioned fear in the animal kingdom, combined with the amnesiac's ability to remember potential threats, made it clear that learning to be afraid involved different mechanisms than, say, learning how to ride a bicycle or memorizing the capitals of all 50 states. But what was the mechanism? That's what LeDoux set out to determine. There had been almost no research into how the fear response actually came into being. ''In fact,'' LeDoux says with a smile, ''my first grant on this topic in the early 1980s was turned down," because scientists reviewing his application believed it was impossible to scientifically study emotions.
LeDoux forged ahead anyway. ''I started from the outside,'' he says. ''I had the sound that produced the fear response. I wanted to know: How does that sound go through the brain and create the response?'' Like most brain researchers in the age before advanced imaging technology, LeDoux's approach was surgical subtraction. Take a healthy rat and begin extracting specific parts of his brain. If you remove a region and the rat can still learn to associate the tone with the shock, then the region you've removed isn't relevant to fear conditioning. But if the rat stops learning, you know you've got something relevant.

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ANATOMY OF FEAR

Within seconds of perceiving a threat, the primitive amygdala sounds a general alarm. The adrenal system promptly floods the body with adrenaline and stress hormones. Nonessential physiological processes switch off. Digestion stops, skin chills, and blood is diverted into muscles in preparation for a burst of emergency action. Breathing quickens, the heart races, and blood pressure skyrockets, infusing the body with oxygen while the liver releases glucose for quick fuel. The entire body is suddenly in a state of high alert, ready for fight or flight.
— J. S.

''Because the auditory pathways are fairly well worked out in mammals, I could use that as a starting point. I started with the top of the auditory pathway, which is the auditory cortex. I took that out, and the animals learned fine. Then I went down one station to the auditory thalamus, took that out, and they couldn't learn at all. So that meant that the sound had to go through the system to the level of the thalamus but didn't go through the cortex. So where was it going?'' The question was puzzling because the traditional understanding of the brain's activity emphasized the role of the cortex over most other regions. The cortex was where the sensory information— in this case, the sound of the tone— was integrated into conscious awareness, alongside other sensory data transmitted from other parts of the brain. The auditory thalamus was supposed to be just a relay station from the ear to the primary destination, the auditory cortex. So there was something strangely inverted about LeDoux's result. You could eliminate the primary destination altogether without affecting the learning, but if you took out the relay station, the learning stopped.
LeDoux's assumption was that the auditory thalamus harbored a link to another part of the brain, in addition to its link to the cortex. Using a tracer dye to follow pathways out from the auditory thalamus, LeDoux discovered a connection to the amygdala, an almond-shaped region in the forebrain long associated with emotional states. When he removed the amygdala, the rats failed to learn. Perusing the literature, he found earlier experiments that demonstrated a crucial part of the amygdala known as the central nucleus contained links to the key brain stem areas that control the autonomic functions involved in the fear response, like acceleration of breathing and heart rate. ''I didn't start out looking for the amygdala,'' LeDoux says. ''The research led me to it.''
The key insight that emerged is that the experience of danger follows two pathways in the brain: one conscious and rational, the other unconscious and innate. These were quickly dubbed the high road and the low road. Say you're walking though a forest, and out of the corner of your eye you detect a slithering shape to your left, accompanied by a rattling sound. Before you even have time to formulate the word snake, your body has frozen in its tracks; your heart rate has accelerated; the sweat glands on your palms have dilated. In your brain, the information flow looks something like this: Your eyes and ears transmit basic sensory information to the auditory and visual thalamus, where the information is then transmitted along two paths. One stream of data heads towards the cortex, where it will be integrated with other real-time sensory data, along with more elaborate associations like the word rattlesnake, or your childhood memories of a pet python, or the snake scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark. At the same time, the slithering is also transmitted— in less rich detail— to the amygdala itself, which blasts out an alarm to the brain stem, alerting the body that a potential threat is nearby. The key difference between the two paths is data transmission time. It might take a few seconds to establish the presence of the snake and formulate a response via the high road, but the low road kicks the body into a freezing response within a fraction of a second. And you don't have to learn the elaborate bodily choreography involved, the way you might learn a complicated yoga position. Your body knows how to execute the freezing response without any training at all. In fact, it knows the response so well that it is nearly impossible to keep it from happening.
As a survival mechanism, LeDoux's low road made perfect sense. But other questions remained: How did the amygdala know to be afraid of a snake in the first place? How could Claparède's patient learn to be afraid if she lacked memory?
We're accustomed to describing someone as having a good or a bad memory, as though memory were a single attribute that covers the entire range of storing and recalling information. We now know that the brain's memory systems are far more diverse than this. There are systems devoted to explicit or declarative memories, like your childhood recollection of that pet python, and systems devoted to procedural memories that usually involve physical movement, like learning how to ride a bicycle. And then there are emotional memories. If you watch the activity in someone's brain using a modern fMRI scanner, you see a different profile depending on which kind of memory the subject is conjuring up.
In ordinary cases of fear conditioning— encountering that snake in the grass— a declarative memory will occur more or less simultaneously with an emotional memory. You'll feel the freezing response kick in, and moments later you'll remember seeing that scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark. The latter feels like our traditional idea of memory; there's a mental picture from the past experience that comes into consciousness, as though you were sifting through pages of a photo album. The transition to a freezing response doesn't feel like a memory in that conventional sense of the term, but for all intents and purposes it is one. It is recalled information from past experience that alters your state of mind. The transition to a freezing response happens too fast for it to be a conscious, deliberate memory, but it's a form of memory nonetheless.
In brain anatomy terms, the declarative memory of Indiana Jones in the snake pit is laid down by the hippocampus, a long, curved ridge located next to the amygdala. The emotional memory of a threat, on the other hand, is mediated by the amygdala itself. This explains the mystery of the remembered pinprick: Claparède's patient lacked the ability to form declarative memories, but she had a functioning amygdala that kept the memory alive, albeit unconsciously. If you had a past encounter with a snake and you felt actively threatened, a trace of that memory would have been stored by the amygdala as well as by the hippocampus. Some brain scientists believe that our fear systems are prepared to learn about threats— snakes, spiders, or heights— that have been major obstacles to survival over the millions of years it has taken the modern brain to evolve, which explains why it is easier to develop phobias about snakes than about threats that are statistically much more likely to kill you, such as electricity.
Some scientists believe the amygdala doesn't have its own discrete storage system for emotionally charged memories but rather marks memories created by other brain systems as being somehow emotionally significant. In 2001 James McGaugh of the University of California at Irvine conducted a telling variation on the classic fear-conditioning experiment. He took a rat and subjected it to the traditional foot shock if the animal took a step. After administering the shock, McGaugh injected cyclic AMP— a cellular messenger that strengthens neuronal synapses, leading to stronger memory— into the animal's cortex. Two days later, the rats were tested to see how well they were conditioned; those that received the injections turned out to have enhanced memories of the shock. ''So we know the cortex is involved in the memory that's based on fear in that situation,'' McGaugh says. ''Now, if we make a lesion of the amygdala, the stimulation of the cortex doesn't do anything. In other words, you have to have a working amygdala for the cortex to do its job.''
McGaugh concludes, ''That experiment tells me that fear is not learned in the amygdala. Amygdala projections are coming up to brain regions where information is being stored, and they're saying: 'You know this memory you're storing? Well, it turns out to be a very important one, so make it a little stronger, please.' It provides selectivity in our lives. You don't need to know where you parked the car three weeks ago, unless it was broken into that day.'' You can think of it as the brain's way of underlining.

Neuroscientists have determined that the memory of a fear stimulus triggers dramatic changes in the vital signs of rats. In a series of conditioned-response experiments, rats are first exposed to a painful shock accompanied by a tone. Whenever the tone is repeated, the rats immediately stop dead in their tracks. Blood pressure shoots up within three seconds, and heart rate peaks within five seconds. After 20 seconds, increased levels of stress hormones like corticosterone flood the body, and highly oxygenated and fuel-charged blood is pumped into the muscles to prime them for action.

The trouble with emotional memories is that they can be fiendishly difficult to eradicate. The brain seems to be wired to prevent the deliberate overriding of fear responses. Although there are extensive neural pathways from the amygdala to the neocortex, the paths running the reverse direction are sparse. Our brains seem to have been designed to allow the fear system to take control in threatening situations and prevent our conscious awareness from reigning.
This may have been an optimal design for predator-rich environments in which survival was a minute-by-minute question, but it is not a good adaptation for modern environments in which the stressors can be job performance reviews. The amygdala may be looking out for your best interests by preserving a memory of that nighttime car accident, but if the result is an inability to drive after dark, the fear circuitry has gone too far. Because the low-road memories are so tenacious, one question neuroscience is now wrestling with is how to subdue the amygdala when those memories hurt the organism.
As a New Yorker who works in downtown Manhattan, LeDoux has been thinking a lot about these issues since September 11, 2001. Many local residents experienced a conditioned fear response that day, making it hard for them to work in tall buildings or visit the downtown area. LeDoux suspects those traumatic memories will persist in the brains of New Yorkers. The treatment possibilities are not about eliminating the memories so much as retraining the amygdala to respond differently when those memories are triggered.
''The contrast,'' LeDoux says, sitting in his university office above Washington Square Park, with Ground Zero lurking not far to the south, ''is between taking action and being stuck, frozen in fear, headed toward despondency, unable to control your life. There's an interesting experiment along these lines: You have a rat that goes into a chamber. A tone goes off, and he gets a shock, and he freezes with the fear response. The next day he goes into chamber B, the tone goes off, and he freezes. But if he takes a step, the tone stops. Eventually he learns that he has to crawl across the chamber to eliminate the tone completely. So by taking that action, he's able to prevent fear from existing in his life.
''In order for the rat to do this,'' LeDoux continues, standing up to sketch out his ideas on a cluttered white board, ''he's got to throw a switch in the amygdala. Normally, the fear response goes from the lateral nucleus to the central nucleus and then out of the amygdala. In order for the rat to take a step, the stimulus has to go not to the central nucleus but to the basal nucleus, and then out to the parts of the brain that are involved in active behavior.'' In other words, the amygdala wants to associate the memory with the freezing response, but it can be trained to associate it with something less debilitating. When you hear an airplane rumbling overhead, you can freeze, or you can take a step. And with every step you reroute the path of fear through the amygdala.
Our new understanding of fear has also led to cunning pharmacological treatments for post-traumatic stress disorder. McGaugh talks about two recent studies that involved giving beta-blockers to people who had recently suffered a traumatic event, studies that built on McGaugh's own research: ''Say you have a traumatic experience. The memory of that experience will pop into your brain the next day, whether you want it to or not. And when that memory pops into your brain, you're going to have that whole autonomic response that you had originally. It's going to come back again. So it's not only that you remember that you were mugged, but you also get very emotionally excited about it when the memory happens.'' That emotional excitement triggers the memory-enhancing cycle all over again, making the traumatic memory even stronger, like a spinning tire deepening the muck hole it's stuck in with each jab on the accelerator. By preventing the autonomic reaction, beta-blockers keep the memory from forming deeper grooves in the brain, making post-traumatic stress symptoms less severe, ''which I think is a really interesting development,'' McGaugh says with a hearty laugh. ''Forty-five years of my life I've spent studying rats and out pops something useful!"

Because the fear response can play a direct role in life-and-death struggles, it's not surprising to find that the brain contains elaborate machinery dedicated to its routines. The fact that the amygdala's basic architecture reappears in so many species is testimony to its evolutionary importance: Natural selection generally doesn't tinker with components that have proved essential to basic survival. Of course, the persistence of the low road in a world where predators are largely nonexistent may no longer be adaptive, but that's the trade-off of human culture. Evolution made our brains so smart that we ended up building environments that made some of our mental resources obsolete. No matter how calculating and erudite the neocortex becomes, it can't simply switch off the amygdala. In that sense, you can see the battles between these different regions as a re-enactment of Freud's clash between man's civilized superego and his primal id.
There is great elegance in the way this system has evolved, with its complex mix of instinct and learning. Like all emotions, the fear circuitry steers the organism toward desirable states— away from predators or other threats— without knowing that much in advance about the world that the organism will actually inhabit. We are not slaves to our emotions, but they are hardly at our beck and call either. They propel us in directions that our rational minds don't always understand— fear most of all. The amygdala, like the heart in Pascal's famous phrase, has reasons of which reason knows nothing.

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And because its part two of the series and everyone likes to Laugh, I hope and because its good to keep a sense of humor. And it can also help.

And interesting to note also that Laughter starts out as a fight or flight responce.


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Part 2

DISCOVER Vol. 24 No. 4 (April 2003)
Table of Contents

Learning Series: The Brain and Emotions - part 2
Laughter
If evolution comes down to survival of the fittest, then why do we joke around so much? New brain research suggests that the urge to laugh is the lubricant that makes humans higher social beings
By Steven Johnson
Graphics by Don Foley


Photograph by Elinor Carucci

Robert Provine wants me to see his Tickle Me Elmo doll. Wants me to hold it, as a matter of fact. It's not an unusual request for Provine. A professor of psychology and neuroscience at the University of Maryland, he has been engaged for a decade in a wide-ranging intellectual pursuit that has taken him from the panting play of young chimpanzees to the history of American sitcoms— all in search of a scientific understanding of that most unscientific of human customs: laughter.
The Elmo doll happens to incorporate two of his primary obsessions: tickling and contagious laughter. "You ever fiddled with one of these?" Provine says, as he pulls the doll out of a small canvas tote bag. He holds it up, and after a second or two, the doll begins to shriek with laughter. There's something undeniably comic in the scene: a burly, bearded man in his mid-fifties cradling a red Muppet. Provine hands Elmo to me to demonstrate the doll's vibration effect. "It brings up two interesting things," he explains, as I hold Elmo in my arms. "You have a best-selling toy that's a glorified laugh box. And when it shakes, you're getting feedback as if you're tickling."
Provine's relationship to laughter reminds me of the dramatic technique that Bertolt Brecht called the distanciation effect. Radical theater, in Brecht's vision, was supposed to distance us from our too-familiar social structures, make us see those structures with fresh eyes. In his study of laughter, Provine has been up to something comparably enlightening, helping us to recognize the strangeness of one of our most familiar emotional states. Think about that Tickle Me Elmo doll: We take it for granted that tickling causes laughter and that one person's laughter will easily "infect" other people within earshot. Even a child knows these things. (Tickling and contagious laughter are two of the distinguishing characteristics of childhood.) But when you think about them from a distance, they are strange conventions. We can understand readily enough why natural selection would have implanted the fight-or-flight response in us or endowed us with sex drives. But the tendency to laugh when others laugh in our presence or to laugh when someone strokes our belly with a feather—what's the evolutionary advantage of that? And yet a quick glance at the Nielsen ratings or the personal ads will tell you that laughter is one of the most satisfying and sought-after states available to us.
Funnily enough, the closer Provine got to understanding why we laugh, the farther he got from humor. To appreciate the roots of laughter, you have to stop thinking about jokes.


Anatomy of a Belly Laugh

Laughter may feel good, but physiologically it starts out as a body stressor that closely mimics a fear-induced fight-or-flight response. When higher regions of the brain detect a tickle sensation or get a joke, the brain stem and limbic system coordinate a sudden surge in adrenaline and other stress hormones, driving up heart rate, blood pressure, and metabolism while initiating a respiratory response close to hyperventilation. The benefits come afterward. Some studies suggest that laughter aftershocks boost immune activity, but the supporting data are sparse. The real reward, says neuroembryologist Robert Provine, may have more to do with the social bonds that laughter helps strengthen: "We know that social support plays a role in everything from healthy aging to cardiovascular disease. So at least in that regard, good humor equals good health."
— Jocelyn Selim

There is a long, semi-illustrious history of scholarly investigation into the nature of humor, from Freud's Jokes and Their Relation to the Unconscious, which may well be the least funny book about humor ever written, to a British research group that announced last year that they had determined the World's Funniest Joke. Despite the fact that the researchers said they had sampled a massive international audience in making this discovery, the winning joke revolved around New Jersey residents:
A couple of New Jersey hunters are out in the woods when one of them falls to the ground. He doesn't seem to be breathing; his eyes are rolled back in his head. The other guy whips out his cell phone and calls the emergency services. He gasps to the operator: "My friend is dead! What can I do?"
The operator says: "Take it easy. I can help. First, let's make sure he's dead." There is silence, then a shot is heard. The guy's voice comes back on the line. He says, "OK, now what?"
This joke illustrates that most assessments of humor's underlying structure gravitate to the notion of controlled incongruity: You're expecting x, and you get y. For the joke to work, it has to be readable on both levels. In the hunting joke there are two plausible ways to interpret the 911 operator's instructions—either the hunter checks his friend's pulse or he shoots him. The context sets you up to expect that he'll check his friend's pulse, so the—admittedly dark—humor arrives when he takes the more unlikely path. That incongruity has limits, of course: If the hunter chooses to do something utterly nonsensical—untie his shoelaces or climb a tree—the joke wouldn't be funny.
A number of studies in recent years have looked at brain activity while subjects were chuckling over a good joke—an attempt to locate a neurological funny bone. There is evidence that the frontal lobes are implicated in "getting" the joke while the brain regions associated with motor control execute the physical response of laughter. One 1999 study analyzed patients with damage to the right frontal lobes, an integrative region of the brain where emotional, logical, and perceptual data converge. The brain-damaged patients had far more difficulty than control subjects in choosing the proper punch line to a series of jokes, usually opting for absurdist, slapstick-style endings rather than traditional ones. Humor can often come in coarse, lowest-common-denominator packages, but actually getting the joke draws upon our higher brain functions.
When Provine set out to study laughter, he imagined that he would approach the problem along the lines of these humor studies: Investigating laughter meant having people listen to jokes and other witticisms and watching what happened. He began by simply observing casual conversations, counting the number of times that people laughed while listening to someone speaking. But very quickly he realized that there was a fundamental flaw in his assumptions about how laughter worked. "I started recording all these conversations," Provine says, "and the numbers I was getting—I didn't believe them when I saw them. The speakers were laughing more than the listeners. Every time that would happen, I would think, 'OK, I have to go back and start over again because that can't be right.'"
Speakers, it turned out, were 46 percent more likely to laugh than listeners—and what they were laughing at, more often than not, wasn't remotely funny. Provine and his team of undergrad students recorded the ostensible "punch lines" that triggered laughter in ordinary conversation. They found that only around 15 percent of the sentences that triggered laughter were traditionally humorous. In his book, Laughter: A Scientific Investigation, Provine lists some of the laugh-producing quotes:
I'll see you guys later./Put those cigarettes away./I hope we all do well./It was nice meeting you too./We can handle this./I see your point./I should do that, but I'm too lazy./I try to lead a normal life./I think I'm done./I told you so!
The few studies of laughter to date had assumed that laughing and humor were inextricably linked, but Provine's early research suggested that the connection was only an occasional one. "There's a dark side to laughter that we are too quick to overlook," he says. "The kids at Columbine were laughing as they walked through the school shooting their peers."
As his research progressed, Provine began to suspect that laughter was in fact about something else—not humor or gags or incongruity but our social interactions. He found support for this assumption in a study that had already been conducted, analyzing people's laughing patterns in social and solitary contexts. "You're 30 times more likely to laugh when you're with other people than you are when you're alone—if you don't count simulated social environments like laugh tracks on television," Provine says. "In fact, when you're alone, you're more likely to talk out loud to yourself than you are to laugh out loud. Much more." Think how rarely you'll laugh out loud at a funny passage in a book but how quick you'll be to make a friendly laugh when greeting an old acquaintance. Laughing is not an instinctive physical response to humor, the way a flinch responds to pain or a shiver to cold. It's a form of instinctive social bonding that humor is crafted to exploit.


At the Baltimore campus of the University of Maryland, laughter expert Robert Provine (left) studies how David Spadacino and Julie White react to a Tickle Me Elmo doll. "There is a lot of science in Elmo," Provine says.
Photograph by Greg Miller

Provine's lab at the Baltimore County campus of the University of Maryland looks like the back room at a stereo repair store—long tables cluttered with old equipment, tubes and wires everywhere. The walls are decorated with brightly colored pictures of tangled neurons, most of which were painted by Provine. (Add some Day-Glo typography and they might pass for signs promoting a Dead show at the Fillmore.) Provine's old mentor, the neuroembryologist Viktor Hamburger, glowers down from a picture hung above a battered Silicon Graphics workstation. His expression suggests a sense of concerned bafflement: "I trained you as a scientist, and here you are playing with dolls!"
The more technical parts of Provine's work—exploring the neuromuscular control of laughter and its relationship to the human and chimp respiratory systems—draw on his training at Washington University in St. Louis under Hamburger and Nobel laureate Rita Levi-Montalcini. But the most immediate way to grasp his insights into the evolution of laughter is to watch video footage of his informal fieldwork, which consists of Provine and a cameraman prowling Baltimore's inner harbor, asking people to laugh for the camera. The overall effect is like a color story for the local news, but as Provine and I watch the tapes together in his lab, I find myself looking at the laughers with fresh eyes. Again and again, a pattern repeats on the screen. Provine asks someone to laugh, and they demur, look puzzled for a second, and say something like, "I can't just laugh." Then they turn to their friends or family, and the laughter rolls out of them as though it were as natural as breathing. The pattern stays the same even as the subjects change: a group of high school students on a field trip, a married couple, a pair of college freshmen.
At one point Provine—dressed in a plaid shirt and khakis, looking something like the comedian Robert Klein—stops two waste-disposal workers driving a golf cart loaded up with trash bags. When they fail to guffaw on cue, Provine asks them why they can't muster one up. "Because you're not funny," one of them says. They turn to each other and share a hearty laugh.
"See, you two just made each other laugh," Provine says.
"Yeah, well, we're coworkers," one of them replies.
The insistent focus on laughter patterns has a strange effect on me as Provine runs through the footage. By the time we get to the cluster of high school kids, I've stopped hearing their spoken words at all, just the rhythmic peals of laughter breaking out every 10 seconds or so. Sonically, the laughter dominates the speech; you can barely hear the dialogue underneath the hysterics. If you were an alien encountering humans for the first time, you'd have to assume that the laughing served as the primary communication method, with the spoken words interspersed as afterthoughts. After one particularly loud outbreak, Provine turns to me and says, "Now, do you think they're all individually making a conscious decision to laugh?" He shakes his head dismissively. "Of course not. In fact, we're often not aware that we're even laughing in the first place. We've vastly overrated our conscious control of laughter."
The limits of our voluntary control of laughter are most clearly exposed in studies of stroke victims who suffer from a disturbing condition known as central facial paralysis, which prevents them from voluntarily moving either the left side or the right side of their faces, depending on the location of the neurological damage. When these individuals are asked to smile or laugh on command, they produce lopsided grins: One side of the mouth curls up, the other remains frozen. But when they're told a joke or they're tickled, traditional smiles and laughs animate their entire faces. There is evidence that the physical mechanism of laughter itself is generated in the brain stem, the most ancient region of the nervous system, which is also responsible for fundamental functions like breathing. Sufferers of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis—Lou Gehrig's disease—which targets the brain stem, often experience spontaneous bursts of uncontrollable laughter, without feeling mirth. (They often undergo a comparable experience with crying as well.) Sometimes called the reptilian brain because its basic structure dates back to our reptile ancestors, the brain stem is largely devoted to our most primal instincts, far removed from our complex, higher-brain skills in understanding humor. And yet somehow, in this primitive region of the brain, we find the urge to laugh.
We're accustomed to thinking of common-but-unconscious instincts as being essential adaptations, like the startle reflex or the suckling of newborns. Why would we have an unconscious propensity for something as frivolous as laughter? As I watch them on the screen, Provine's teenagers remind me of an old Carl Sagan riff, which begins with his describing "a species of primate" that likes to gather in packs of 50 or 60 individuals, cram together in a darkened cave, and hyperventilate in unison, to the point of almost passing out. The behavior is described in such a way as to make it sound exotic and somewhat foolish, like salmon swimming furiously upstream to their deaths or butterflies traveling thousands of miles to rendezvous once a year. The joke, of course, is that the primate is Homo sapiens, and the group hyperventilation is our fondness for laughing together at comedy clubs or theaters, or with the virtual crowds of television laugh tracks.
I'm thinking about the Sagan quote when another burst of laughter arrives through the TV speakers, and without realizing what I'm doing, I find myself laughing along with the kids on the screen. I can't help it—their laughter is contagious.


In his lab, Provine turns away from the dour visage of his mentor Viktor Hamburger as he records his own laughter. He uses an acoustic analyzer to isolate patterns that make up both common and "forbidden" laugh variants.
Photograph by Greg Miller

We may be the only species on the planet that laughs together in such large groups, but we are not alone in our appetite for laughter. Not surprisingly, our near relatives, the chimpanzees, are also avid laughers, although differences in their vocal apparatus cause the laughter to sound somewhat more like panting. "The chimpanzee's laughter is rapid and breathy, whereas ours is punctuated with glottal stops," says legendary chimp researcher Roger Fouts. "Also, the chimpanzee laughter occurs on the inhale and exhale, while ours is primarily done on our exhales. But other than these small differences, chimpanzee laughter seems to me to be just like ours in most respects."
Chimps don't do stand-up routines, of course, but they do share a laugh-related obsession with humans, one that Provine believes is central to the roots of laughter itself: Chimps love tickling. Back in his lab, Provine shows me video footage of a pair of young chimps named Josh and Lizzie playing with a human caretaker. It's a full-on ticklefest, with the chimps panting away hysterically when their bellies are scratched. "That's chimpanzee laughter you're hearing," Provine says. It's close enough to human laughter that I find myself chuckling along.
Parents will testify that ticklefests are often the first elaborate play routine they engage in with their children and one of the most reliable laugh inducers. According to Fouts, who helped teach sign language to Washoe, perhaps the world's most famous chimpanzee, the practice is just as common, and perhaps more long lived, among the chimps. "Tickling . . . seems to be very important to chimpanzees because it continues throughout their lives," he says. "Even Washoe at the age of 37 still enjoys tickling and being tickled by her adult family members." Among young chimpanzees that have been taught sign language, tickling is a frequent topic of conversation.
Like laughter, tickling is almost by definition a social activity. Like the incongruity theory of humor, tickling relies on a certain element of surprise, which is why it's impossible to tickle yourself. Predictable touch doesn't elicit the laughter and squirming of tickling—it's unpredictable touch that does the trick. A number of tickle-related studies have convincingly shown that tickling exploits the sensorimotor system's awareness of the difference between self and other: If the system orders your hand to move toward your belly, it doesn't register surprise when the nerve endings on your belly report being stroked. But if the touch is being generated by another sensorimotor system, the belly stroking will come as a surprise. The pleasant laughter of tickle is the way the brain responds to that touch. In both human and chimpanzee societies, that touch usually first appears in parent-child interactions and has an essential role in creating those initial bonds. "The reason [tickling and laughter] are so important," Roger Fouts says, "is because they play a role in maintaining the affinitive bonds of friendship within the family and community."
A few years ago, Jared Diamond wrote a short book with the provocative title Why Is Sex Fun? These recent studies suggest an evolutionary answer to the question of why tickling is fun: It encourages us to play well with others. Young children are so receptive to the rough-and-tumble play of tickle that even pretend tickling will often send them into peals of laughter. (Fouts reports that the threat of tickle has a similar effect on his chimps.) In his book, Provine suggests that "feigned tickle" can be thought of as the Original Joke, the first deliberate behavior designed to exploit the tickling-laughter circuit. Our comedy clubs and our sitcoms are culturally enhanced versions of those original playful childhood exchanges. Along with the suckling and smiling instincts, the laughter of tickle evolved as a way of cementing the bond between parents and children, laying the foundation for a behavior that then carried over into the social lives of adults. While we once laughed at the surprise touch of a parent or sibling, we now laugh at the surprise twist of a punch line.
Bowling Green State University professor Jaak Panksepp suggests that there is a dedicated "play" circuitry in the brain, equivalent to the more extensively studied fear and love circuits. Panksepp has studied the role of rough-and-tumble play in cementing social connections between juvenile rats. The play instinct is not easily suppressed. Rats that have been denied the opportunity to engage in this kind of play—which has a distinct choreography, as well as a chirping vocalization that may be the rat equivalent of laughter—will nonetheless immediately engage in play behavior given the chance. Panksepp compares it to a bird's instinct for flying. "Probably the most powerful positive emotion of all—once your tummy is full and you don't have bodily needs—is vigorous social engagement among the young," Panksepp says. "The largest amount of human laughter seems to occur in the midst of early childhood—rough-and-tumble play, chasing, all the stuff they love."
Playing is what young mammals do, and in humans and chimpanzees, laughter is the way the brain expresses the pleasure of that play. "Since laughter seems to be ritualized panting, basically what you do in laughing is replicate the sound of rough-and-tumble play," Provine says. "And you know, that's where I think it came from. Tickle is an important part of our primate heritage. Touching and being touched is an important part of what it means to be a mammal."

There is much that we don't know yet about the neurological underpinnings of laughter. We do not yet know precisely why laughing feels so good; one recent study detected evidence that stimulating the nucleus accumbens, one of the brain's pleasure centers, triggered laughter. Panksepp has performed studies that indicate opiate antagonists significantly reduce the urge to play in rats, which implies that the brain's endorphin system may be involved in the pleasure of laughter. Some anecdotal and clinical evidence suggest that laughing makes you healthier by suppressing stress hormones and elevating immune system antibodies. If you think of laughter as a form of behavior that is basically synonymous with the detection of humor, the laughing-makes-you-healthier premise seems bizarre. Why would natural selection make our immune system respond to jokes? Provine's approach helps solve the mystery. Our bodies aren't responding to wisecracks and punch lines; they're responding to social connection.
In this respect, laughter reminds us that our emotional lives are as much outward bound as they are inner directed. We tend to think of emotions as private affairs, feelings that wash over our subjective worlds. But emotions are also social acts, laughter perhaps most of all. It's no accident that we have so many delicately choreographed gestures and facial expressions—many of which appear to be innate to our species—to convey our emotions. Our emotional systems are designed to share our feelings and not just represent them internally—an insight that Darwin first grasped more than a century ago in his book The Expression of the Emotions in Man and Animals. "The movements of expression in the face and body, whatever their origin may have been, are in themselves of much importance for our welfare. They serve as the first means of communication between mother and infant; she smiles approval, and thus encourages her child on the right path. . . . The free expression by outward signs of an emotion intensifies it."
And even if we don't yet understand the neurological basis of the pleasure that laughing brings us, it makes sense that we should seek out the connectedness of infectious laughter. We are social animals, after all. And if that laughter often involves some pretty childish behavior, so be it. "I mean, this is why we're not like lizards," Provine says, holding the Tickle Me Elmo doll on his lap. "Lizards don't play, and they're not social the way we are. When you start to see play, you're starting to see mammals. So when we get together and have a good time and laugh, we're going back to our roots. It's ironic in a way: Some of the things that give us the most pleasure in life are really the most ancient."

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      #121506 - 11/13/04 01:54 PM
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"A perpetual holiday is a good working definition of hell"

– George Bernard Shaw, (1856-1920)



Our widespread inability to relax is rarely acknowledged. Few of us are comfortable admitting that we have a tremendous amount of difficulty in being able to relax. Come Monday morning, when asked about your weekend, you reflexively spout out that is was "great." It is equally as common for us to list our relaxation activities (i.e., we were at the beach house, out on the boat, etc., etc.) as though these activities clearly imply that we truly enjoyed them and we were readily able to relax. However, relaxation is usually about a state of "being" and not about a state of "doing." Therefore, no list of relaxation activities guarantees "being" in a state of relaxation.

Most people view being able to relax as simply mind over matter. Should someone tell you that they were unable to relax, you might listen sympathetically but also might feel that the person was just not exercising enough control over himself or herself. Often, we see the inability to relax as a sort of weakness on the part of the person. In addition, many people also believe that relaxation is a natural state. You just take time off, do things you like to do, and relax. If there is a barrier to relaxation, it is believed that it is linked to stress – too much work, too little money, too little time, and too many responsibilities. Many believe that if they had both more time and more money, then relaxation would be sure to follow. News Flash: All of the above beliefs are false … relaxation is an unnatural state!

To understand this you need to look at human brain development and observe some basic elements in nature. One major feature here is the instinctual drive for survival. Nature gives all animals some protection against its natural predators. But, in order to survive, surveillance is required. The bird that decides to take a nap at the base of the feeder might be easy prey for the local cat. The chipmunk that doesn't keep a close lookout will fall prey to a hawk. The unpleasant reality is that in nature, most everyone is trying to eat everyone else. "Eat or be eaten" is one of the primary laws out there.

Although human beings are capable of rational thought, our brains developed in an evolutionary way. Part of early brain development (often called the reptilian brain) is where primitive impulsive and archaic behaviors reside. We can often override these primitive impulses, but they remain intact and emerge episodically through life. Therefore, our natural state is to maintain our sense of alertness in order to protect ourselves. Relaxation implies that we let down this antenna system. It means turning off the radar so that we will not be attuned to incoming missiles. The natural state is to maintain round the clock radar. Our built in radar system does not come with an on – off switch. It is hard wired and always working. Hence, when we try to relax, we are often frustrated. You may have a planned day off and you want to relax. Although you have created the "right" environment, you sit there trying to relax while your radar system fills your head with all kinds of stuff. The next day, rather than feel refreshed, you feel depleted. Remembering that relaxation is an unnatural state, recognize the bind you are in and relieve yourself of the pressure and the guilt you may feel as a result. Rather than help you to relax, pressure and guilt only serve as barriers. Many of you feel that you are supposed to be relaxed and try to drive yourself into a state of relaxation. Pressuring yourself to relax will guarantee your inability to relax. Relaxation only comes when allowed; it cannot occur when forced. Similarly, guilt is both unwarranted and non-productive.

So, how do you relax? Can anything be done to achieve a relaxed state? The answer is a conditional "yes". It can be done. However, your expectations need to be realistic. Although you can learn to relax, you probably will not be able to do it "on command" and "at will." Some days it will go well. Other days, for a variety of reasons, it will not.

The key to relaxation is to find ways to temporarily fool the reptilian brain into going on vacation. If it remains at its sentry post, then you will be too aroused and defended to achieve a state of relaxation. Next, there are a lot of individual differences in what will work. Below are just a few of the more common methods to achieve a state of relaxation. None are universal. You will need to experiment to see what works for you. And, even then, it may not work consistently. Bottom line: you must pick and choose techniques that are suited to your needs, temperament and lifestyle.

1) Music: – For many people, music is effective. It bypasses the sensor and can draw you in, in a meaningful and pleasurable way. Most all cultures have rituals based in music that have evolved over many centuries. The key here is to focus on what music evokes in you. The idea is to feel something. Numbness is not equivalent to relaxation. If any activities are making you feel numb, then you are narcotizing yourself, not relaxing.

2) Meditation: – Meditation has been a staple for relaxation for quite some time. This technique is about focusing your attention. The problem with it is that its results are subtle; it takes a good deal of time and effort, and is easy to abandon. Meditation is not for everyone. But, it is worth a try. Herbert Benson's "Relaxation Response" may be a suitable beginning guide as is "The Relaxation and Stress Reduction Workbook" (New Harbinger Publications).

3) Religion: – Religion, if it provides you with a sense of sanctuary, often achieves a relaxed state. The key here is your sense of safety and security. If you feel you achieve this feeling, then religion may be one of your avenues to relaxation.

4) Move Your Butt: – Exercise, if not compulsively driven, can help relieve some of the physical tension that builds up in the course of a day. Walking, jogging, running, bicycling, swimming, or playing tennis relaxes muscles and relieves tension. Give yoga a try … it's a soothing way to exercise. Note: some find the relaxation in the aftermath of the exercise rather than during the exercise.

5) Touch: – Touch is the only universal relaxer. It bypasses all of the defenses and is actually vital to survival. If you are not getting enough touch, then achieving a relaxed state will be very difficult. But there are some caveats here. The main one is that there are two kinds of touch. One is a "giving touch" in which you feel someone is giving something to you. The other is a "taking touch" in which you feel someone is taking something from you. The "giving touch" is essential and productive one. The "taking touch" has nothing to do with the spirit of touch. Do not be a party to "taking touch". It will only get you father away from where you need to be. "Giving touch" leads to genuine intimacy and relaxation. Sensual and erotic touch is a legitimate part of "giving touch". "Taking touch" turns the people into objects. The intimacy is counterfeit and will only re-energize the sensor. Most everyone can instinctively tell the difference between the two.

6) Relax Your Muscles: Learn about progressive muscle relaxation, s-t-r-e-t-c-h your muscles on a regular basis, or treat yourself to a massage, all great ways to relax muscles and enhance feelings of relaxation.

7) Get Practical: Learn about the benefits of deep breathing, visualization techniques, or picture yourself relaxed through guided imagery. Cut down on caffeine (a potent central nervous system stimulant), get plenty of rest (sleep deprivation compromises your immune system, reduces your ability to cope with daily stressors, clouds your cognitive functioning, makes you sound stupid, and increases irritability. Use alcohol in moderation, when the "high" wears off, you'll feel drained – not relaxed.

8) Get Smart: Learn to say "no" to excessive demands on your time and energy that increase your stress level, deal with and express your anger/rage, learn to manage your time effectively, and rejuvenate yourself through a hobby – all way's for you to cognitively and socially nurture yourself.

9) Get Connected: Develop a social network. An influx of new research suggests that emotional support helps protect people against the ill effects of stress. Consistent contact with supportive people, community organizations, and/or satisfying causes, all act as a built-in buffer to stress. Therefore, make your world larger than your spouse, lover, family and/or your immediate circle of friends. Carve out time for each and nurture these attachments and they will nurture you.

10) Too Bad If They Can't Take a Joke: Have a good laugh! Laughter deepens your breathing, lowers your blood pressure and releases endorphins, stimulating the pleasure center of the brain. At the same time, studies show, laughter seems to decrease the production of stress hormones from the adrenal glands.



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      #121507 - 11/13/04 01:55 PM
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and new in regards to what this is all about.


"Are doctors focusing on fixing the wrong thing when a patient shows signs of having irritable bowel syndrome?

http://www.thewgalchannel.com/health/3739601/detail.html

although this is short and could have gone more indepth.


An impoartant part of the above information is in every human there is the fight or flight responce and the relaxation responce. Some people have a very hard time with the relaxation responce and are more anxiety prone and in fight or flight more then others.


But these are basic physiological responces to stressors in all humans, they just effect the problem of IBS more and the neurotransmitters and hormaones and peptides, that are part of having IBS and the brain gut communication that every human has, but is dysregulating in IBS.

Not all of this is changing your thoughts, I just have not gotten to other parts of this yet either, some of this is meditation, progressive muscle relaxation, CBT and HT and other methods that illict the relaxation responce as opposed to the fight or flight responce which triggers the stress responce.

Knothappy, I to went to a psycologist, she was not helpful either, because she was just into talk therapy, did not understand IBS, although she suffered from migraines herself and told me to go back to the gi doc after moonths f seeing her, but with all doctors, there are different kinds and different specaities, she was the wrong one, that is what happened to you above, they did not teach you how to really truely relax along with working on changing your thoughts, its a combination of things, that specialist in IBS use and there is also some doctors who "getit" and some that don't, so like other doctors, you have to find the right one, a. for you and B. that "gets it" to help with IBS.


These things can also be done with medications, its not an exclusive one or the other, some people might even need meds at first, to help get more relaxed.

In IBS it is the combination of things that have also been shown to help, treating the gut and the brain.

The above is also not becusae IBS is "all in the head" it is not, it is a very real physical problem.



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      #121508 - 11/13/04 01:56 PM
shawneric

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Part of all this is crawling before learning how to walk and learning how to walk before learning how to jump.

This is not an overnight process, it takes time and patients and learning and very very importantly an active participation. And perhaps some trial an error to a certain degree.

There are also some people whos minds are pretty calm, but the body is stressed, or whose minds are stressed and the body is calmer, or those whos mind and bodies are stressed. And on an everyday basis, a person can go back and forth from any of the above.

WEB MD

On pain, but tied to what I am posting here and to ibs.

Mind-Body-Pain Connection: How Does It Work?

By Michael Henry Joseph
WebMD Live Events Transcript Archive Reviewed By

Event Date: 05/11/2000.

Moderator: Welcome to WebMD Live's World Watch and Health News Auditorium. Today we are discussing "The Mind-Body-Pain Connection: How Does It Work?" with Brenda Bursch, Ph.D., Michael Joseph, M.D., and Lonnie Zeltzer, M.D.

Brenda Bursch, Ph.D., is the Associate Director of the Pediatric Pain Program, Co-Director of Pediatric Chronic Pain Clinical Service and Assistant Clinical Professor of Psychiatry & Biobehavioral Sciences at UCLA Department of Pediatrics in the School of Medicine. She has written about asthma, developmental & behavioral pediatrics, emergency medicine, AIDS education and prevention, chronic digestive diseases and pediatric bowel disorders. She has membership in the American Pain Society, American Psychological Association, Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy Network, and the UCLA Center for the Study of Organizational and Group Dynamics.

Michael Henry Joseph, MD, is an assistant professor of pediatrics and co-director of Chronic Pain Services at the University of California at Los Angeles Children's Hospital. He is a recipient of the Golden Apple Award for Excellence in Teaching.

Lonnie Zeltzer, M.D., is an expert in the field of pediatric pain. She is a former president of the Society for Adolescent Medicine and member of the National Institute of Health?s Human Development Study Section. She is currently a Professor of Pediatrics and Anesthesiology at the UCLA School of Medicine. She is Director of the UCLA Pediatric Pain Program and Associate Director of the Patients & Survivors Section, Cancer Prevention and Control Research Branch of the UCLA Jonsson Comprehensive Cancer Center. She has well over one hundred scientific publications, reviews and chapters in medical journals, and has lectured internationally.


http://my.webmd.com/content/article/1/1700_50465.htm?lastselectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348}



Digestion works through the autonomic nervous system, you don't have to conciously think about digesting you food.

The autonomic nervous system is divided into three parts

The ANS is divided into three parts:


The sympathetic nervous system
The parasympathetic nervous system
The enteric nervous system.


The last being the "gut brain"


When your in fight or flight mode, digestion is slowed down and the sympathetic nervous system takes over.


When your relaxed the parasympathetic nervous system takes over, "rest and digest"


One reason why stress may effect someone after the fact. Although parasymapthetic is better long term.

This will help explain it.


http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/auto.html


A persons thoughts and emotions and anxiety and stress, all effect these systems greatly in all humans, but very importantly in IBS. Even positive stress like excitement.



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      #121510 - 11/13/04 01:57 PM
shawneric

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Brain Function And Physiology


"Limbic System (controls mood and attitude)

Functions

sets the emotional tone of the mind
filters external events through internal states (emotional coloring)
tags events as internally important
stores highly charged emotional memories
modulates motivation
controls appetite and sleep cycles
promotes bonding
directly processes the sense of smell
modulates libido

Problems
moodiness, irritability, clinical depression
increased negative thinking
perceive events in a negative way
decreased motivation
flood of negative emotions
appetite and sleep problems
decreased or increased sexual responsiveness
social isolation


http://www.brainplace.com/bp/brainsystem/limbic.asp


You might see a lot of similarities to complaints from IBS patients and the functioning of the limbic system


Foundation for Digestive Health and Nutrition (FDHN) to educate healthcare professionals about the epidemiology, pathophysiology, diagnosis and treatment of irritable bowel syndrome (IBS).


Irritable Bowel Syndrome at a Glance - Nosology, Epidemiology, and Pathophysiology (Monograph I)


Brain Physiology

"The limbic system is involved in emotion, mood, and visceral autonomic control. Limbic abnormalities are seen in depression and IBS. Thus, this system is a possible site of convergence where emotional disturbance provokes intestinal dysfunction. "


http://www.fdhn.org/html/education/gi/ibs_nosology.htm


One reason also why smells may trigger attacks.

"directly processes the sense of smell"

or a loss of "libido"

or "appetite and sleep problems "


for examples.


I will also come back to issues very important and physical problems in the gut of IBSers and these back and forth communications, between the gut brain and the Brain.


This is also just fyi, harvard health newletters you can get.

The Sensitive Gut




Take a trip through your digestive tract and find out what can go wrong and why. Our doctors describe how to help prevent and treat common and not-so-common digestive problems from heartburn to irritable bowel syndrome.

Prepared by the editors of the Harvard Health Letter in consultation with Lawrence S. Friedman, M.D., Associate Physician at Massachusetts General Hospital's Gastrointestinal Unit and Associate Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School. 40 pages.

Here's an Excerpt from this Digestive Health Special Health Report

Stomach cramps, a gnawing pain in the abdomen, embarrassing gas, diarrhea, constipation — a rebelling digestive tract has affected everyone from prince to peasant at one time or another. It is the price we pay for our romance with food and the occasional stress induced by family reunions, big decisions at work, deadlines — even doctors' appointments.

For most of us, stomach upsets are sporadic and fairly tolerable, the consequence of an intestinal bug, foreign travel, or an indulgent holiday meal. But one in four people has frequent gastrointestinal (GI) problems that can cause discomfort and disrupt life. Sufferers often undergo uncomfortable and unnecessary tests, spend a fortune on supposed remedies, and miss untold days from work.

Though the misery they inflict is real, these problems are considered functional gastrointestinal disorders — and unlike ulcers or stomach cancer they cannot be attributed to an infection or structural abnormality. More than 20% of people who consult a gastroenterologist about such problems do not receive a medical explanation for their complaints.

Nevertheless, people plagued by GI distress can benefit from a better understanding of their symptoms. This report focuses on five disorders considered functional: gastroesophageal reflux disease, nonulcer dyspepsia, irritable bowel syndrome, constipation, and excessive gas. Although they sound different, sometimes the problems they cause are similar and the symptoms overlap. Despite their severe names, these maladies usually do not imply serious illness.

Unfortunately, there is no tried-and-true cure for a sensitive gut. Yet, with proper knowledge and the support of a thoughtful, caring doctor, people can worry less and focus on dietary and lifestyle changes that can reduce symptoms — or at least make coping with them easier.

http://www.health.harvard.edu/hhp/publication/view.do?name=SG


Stress Control: Techniques for Preventing and Easing Stress




Stress has been linked to heart disease and stroke, and it may also influence cancer and chronic respiratory diseases. It has implications for many other ailments, as well. Depression and anxiety, which afflict millions of Americans, can be caused or exacerbated by stress. It also triggers flare-ups of asthma, rheumatoid arthritis, and gastrointestinal problems, such as irritable bowel syndrome. And illness is just the tip of the iceberg. Stress affects you emotionally, as well, marring the joy you gain from life and loved ones.

While no one can completely avoid stressful situations, it's possible to influence how these situations affect you. This special report can help you identify triggers for stress in your own life and understand the obvious and hidden ways in which stress affects your body. Applying the practical techniques in these pages — such as meditation, progressive muscle relaxation, yoga and tai chi, cognitive restructuring, and breath focus — can help you neutralize its damaging effects. The report also includes tools to help you get started, including a checklist of the warning signs of stress, a portable guide to stress relief, a meditation wallet card, and a stress-relief planning chart.

Prepared by the editors of the Harvard Health Letter in consultation Herbert Benson, M.D., Mind/Body Medical Institute Associate Professor of Medicine, Harvard Medical School; Alice D. Domar, Ph.D., Director of the Mind/Body Center for Women's Health at Boston IVF; and Ichiro Kawachi, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School. 40 pages.

Here's an Excerpt from this Stress Management Special Health Report

Stress and its toll on your body
Intuitively, the stress response makes sense. It allows us to rise to occasions and events that reward heightened awareness and abilities. You see a bus rushing toward you and the surge of adrenaline helps you sprint out of its path far faster than you normally move. The stress hormones that spilled into your bloodstream at the sight of the bus found the perfect physical outlet.

But experience tells us obvious dangers are not the only scenarios that elicit that response. Any situation you perceive as threatening may do the same. That's where the trouble starts. Your body does a poor job of distinguishing between life-threatening events and day-to-day stressful situations. Anger or anxiety triggered by less momentous sources of stress, such as financial fears or traffic jams, doesn't find a quick physical release and tends to build up as the day rolls on. Anticipation of potential problems, which might include anxiety brought on by government warnings of terrorist activity or more personal worry stemming from awaiting medical results, adds to the turmoil.

When your body repeatedly launches the stress response or when a heightened state of arousal following a terrible trauma is never fully switched off, worrisome health problems can occur. A prime example of this is consistently high blood pressure, which plays a major role in heart disease. Another is suppression of the immune system, which increases susceptibility to common illnesses like colds.

It's impossible to sidestep all sources of stress, nor would you want to. Our lives are full of physical and psychological challenges, which add zest to life and sometimes deliver satisfying rewards. But while you can't easily erase certain sources of stress, you can learn to perceive and respond to them differently. The section entitled " How to prevent and manage stress" on page 11 describes many tools to help you accomplish this.

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Images Show a Snub Really is Like Kick in the Gut
Thu October 09, 2003 01:58 PM ET

By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The feeling is familiar to anyone who has been passed over in picking teams or snubbed at a party -- a sickening, almost painful feeling in the stomach.

Well, it turns out that "kicked in the gut" feeling is real, U.S. scientists said on Thursday.

Brain imaging studies show that a social snub affects the brain precisely the way visceral pain does. "


http://www.scn.ucla.edu/labnewsdw/reuters_dw.html


This article is really worth reading also.

""Stress: It's Worse Than You Think

Provided by Psychology Today

Psychological stress doesn't just put your head in a vise. New studies document exactly how it tears away at every body system--including your brain. But get this: The experience of stress in the past magnifies your reactivity to stress in the future. So take a nice deep breath and find a stress-stopping routine this instant. "


http://health.yahoo.com/health/centers/stress/1205.html


and further on stress and the immune system.

and how stress can have a delayed reaction.

http://www.ibsgroup.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=039331


an why a person with an enteric infection, who is stressed at the time of infection, contributes to PI IBS, after resolution of the intial infection, because stress and the immune system are intricately connected.

and next the role of serotonin and it being majorally impicated in IBS and the brain gut axis communications between the enteric nervous system and the brain.


Serotonin: a neurotransmitter.


The functions of serotonin are numerous and appear to involve control of appetite, sleep, memory and learning, temperature regulation, mood, behavior (including sexual and hallucinogenic behavior), cardiovascular function, muscle contraction, endocrine regulation, and depression. Peripherally, serotonin appears to play a major role in platelet homeostasis, motility of the GI tract"


First its a very important role in gut function, which I will get to next, but it also has a very important role in anxiety, depression and also relaxation.

But its role in gut motility is next, along with brain gut axis communications. It is also involved in pain transmission from the gut to the brain.

Some detailed information on IBS and serotonin.

"IBS: Improving Diagnosis, Serotonin Signaling, and Implications for Treatment"

CME
Authors: Lucinda Harris, MD; Lin Chang, MD

http://www.medscape.com/viewprogram/2750_pnt


95 percent of the serotonin in the body is stored in the gut. The majority of that serotonin is stored in enteroendocrine (or enterochromaffin) cells that line the gut wall. These cells are pressure sensitive to either chemical or mechanical stimulation of the gut mucosa. Once the cells are activated they release serotonin which in turn initiates peristalsis. (gut contractions)

(as a side note these cells have been seen increased in Post infectious IBSers.)


It also signals from the gut to the brain up nerve fibers, the serotonin does not actually go from the gut to the brain, but signals up the nerve fibers to communicate with the brain in a bidirectional communication.

But at the moment this is at the gut level.

Harvard Health

"The Trusted Source
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Harold J. DeMonaco, M.S.

Harold J. DeMonaco, M.S., is senior analyst, Innovative Diagnostics and Therapeutics, and the chair of the Human Research Committee at the Massachusetts General Hospital. He is author of over 20 publications in the pharmacy and medical literature and routinely reviews manuscript submissions for eight medical journals.
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Irritable bowel syndrome is now recognized as a disorder of serotonin activity. Serotonin is a neurotransmitter in the brain that regulates sleep, mood (depression, anxiety), aggression, appetite, temperature, sexual behavior and pain sensation. Serotonin also acts as a neurotransmitter in the gastrointestinal tract.

Excessive serotonin activity in the gastrointestinal system (enteric nervous system) is thought to cause the diarrhea of irritable-bowel syndrome. The enteric nervous system detects bowel distension (expansion) on the basis of pressure-sensitive cells in the bowel lumen (opening). Once activated, these pressure-sensitive cells promote the release of serotonin, which in turn promotes both secretory function and peristaltic function (the contractions of the intestines that force the contents outward). At least four serotonergic receptors have been identified to be participants in the secretory and peristaltic response.

Patients with diarrhea-predominant IBS may have higher levels of serotonin after eating than do people without the disorder. This recognition led to the development of the first drug used specifically to treat diarrheal symptoms of IBS, alosetron (also known as Lotronex). Alosetron blocked the specific serotonin receptors responsible for recognizing bowel distention. In doing so, it blocked the effects of serotonin and reduced both bowel secretions and peristalsis. Constipation was the most common side effect seen. (Note: Alosetron was removed from the market by the manufacturer after repeated reports of a dangerous condition known as ischemic colitis became known.) Tegaserod (Zelmac) is another drug under development and under review by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for approval. Tegaserod is indicated for the treatment of constipation-predominant IBS and works to increase enteric nervous system serotonin activity.

So, increasing serotonin activity in the enteric nervous system produces increased bowel secretions and peristalsis (and potentially diarrhea), whereas depressing serotonin activity produces reduced secretions and reduce peristalsis (and potentially constipation). Increasing serotonin activity in the brain would increase awareness and, in higher doses, produce anxiety, insomnia and restlessness"


They are also working to see if these receptors are malfunctioning and a lot of work has gone into it, from around the world.

However, also to note is that the majority of IBSers presenting to gastroenterologists, have demonstrated effective serotonin dysregulation.

Also to note is an increase in serotonin after eating in d predominate IBS.

"Levels of 5-Hydroxytryptamine Increase After Meals in Women With Irritable Bowel Syndrome


NEW YORK Reuters Health May 05 - Platelet-depleted plasma 5-hydroxytryptamine 5-HT levels increase after meals in women with diarrhea-predominant irritable bowel syndrome d-IBS whose symptoms increase following food ingestion, according to a report in the May issue of Gut.

In small studies, 5-HT concentrations in platelet-poor plasma appear higher in women with d-IBS than in healthy women, the authors explain, suggesting a possible link between 5-HT and postprandial symptom exacerbations or IBS itself.

Dr. L. A. Houghton from University Hospital of South Manchester, UK and colleagues assessed 5-HT and 5-HIAA its metabolite concentrations, 5-HT turnover, and platelet 5-HT stores in 39 women with d-IBS and 20 healthy female volunteers before and after a standard carbohydrate meal.

Although there was no difference in the ratio of postprandial to fasting 5-HT levels between d-IBS patients and healthy controls, the authors report, d-IBS subjects did have higher postprandial concentrations of 5-HT with earlier peak 5-HT levels than did healthy women.

Women with d-IBS who reported symptoms following the meal also tended to have higher 5-HT concentrations and higher peak concentrations than did other women, the report indicates, though there was no difference in the time to peak levels compared with asymptomatic women with d-IBS."


"Our results have shown for the first time that symptom exacerbation following meal ingestion in female subjects with d-IBS is associated with increased levels of plasma 5-HT, together with a reduction in 5-HT turnover," the authors conclude. "In addition, baseline platelet stores of 5-HT are elevated in female subjects with d-IBS compared with healthy subjects, supporting increased exposure of platelets to 5-HT in the systemic circulation.""


Postprandial plasma 5-hydroxytryptamine in diarrhoea predominant irritable bowel syndrome: a pilot study


http://gut.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/42/1/42


There is way more research on serotonin and IBS and its implications however and although majorally implicated the jury is not out yet on all the specifics and IBS, other then they know it is implicated, there are still very important avenues of research still needed to be done. IBS is a very complex condition to research.

This is very complex infromation, but worth familarizing yourself with and there are some important graps to review on this page.

Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS): Examining New Findings and Treatments
Authors: Marvin M. Schuster, MD; Michael D. Crowell, PhD; Nicholas J. Talley, MD, PhD

"The Role of Serotonin in the Pathophysiology of IBS

The Brain-Gut Interaction
The enteric nervous system (ENS) functions semi-autonomously.[3] It acts directly upon effector systems such as smooth muscles, endocrine cells and blood vessels, facilitating serotonin (5-HT) -mediated secretion and motility. However, the parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous systems have a pivotal role in GI function through autonomic integrative processes that facilitate the brain-gut interaction. Neuronal interactions that involve numerous neurotransmitters (eg, 5-HT, norepinephrine [NE], dopamine [DA], acetylcholine [ACh], glutamate), neuropeptides (eg, substance P, vasointestinal peptide, calcitonin gene-related peptide [CGRP]), and other neuromodulators (eg, neurotrophic factors) occur in both the brain and the gut.
Whereas short reflex pathways include a circuit of local and spinal cord neurons, long reflexes involve vagal and spinal pathways. Visceral pain information, for instance, traverses A-delta and C fibers and synapse in the dorsal horn of the spinal cord (specifically laminae I and II). The neural signal ascends through the contralateral spinothalamic tract to the brain where pain is perceived. The processing of pain information within the CNS varies between normal individuals and those with IBS. The CNS-processed information is sent to the effector through descending pathways traversing brainstem nuclei (eg, periaqueductal gray, raphé nucleus, and locus coeruleus) -- pathways that use 5-HT and NE."


"Serotonin influences motility, visceral perception, and secretion in the gut. The pervasive role of 5-HT in normal and pathological GI conditions is apparent in its pattern of distribution -- 95% of 5-HT in the body is in the GI tract and approximately 5% is localized in the brain.[3] Serotonin is released primarily by enterochromaffin cells, but also by neuronal and mast cells."


http://www.medscape.com/viewprogram/725_pnt


Mentioned above are mast cells which are also connected to the HPA axis and immune system.

I will come back to that however.

New news on serotonin which may at a later date have possible ramifications for IBS.

"UI sheds new light on behavior-affecting chemical


By GREG KLINE
© 2004 THE NEWS-GAZETTE
Published Online October 4, 2004



Serotonin plays a powerful role in the function of the brain and elsewhere in the body.
When it's working properly, it makes us content or happy, scientists believe, while a glitch in the amount or processing of the chemical can stimulate depression, anxiety or aggressive behavior, even when they're unwarranted.
"It's one of the central organizing factors in behavior," University of Illinois Professor Rhanor Gillette said recently.
The illegal drug Ecstasy releases massive amounts of serotonin, making the user feel great, at the eventual cost of what amounts to overloading and burning out the cells in the area of the brain affected.
Problems with serotonin also may contribute to sudden infant death syndrome, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and irritable bowel syndrome, among other things."


http://www.news-gazette.com/story.cfm?Number=16857


AlphaMale
, Like K, said different drugs effect people differently, but some are more known to cause certain side effects perhaps.

Also, like K said they can help block pain transmission, because serotonin is also used as a singaling transmitter for pain.


There are also newer drugs being tested on some of these issues, that target stress hormones and a different approach. Although this study was preliminary, its results were promicing. There are others as well.


Tmar, keep at it and its good your trying the CBT. IBS is still a physical problem and there can be issues that account for people taking longer for the HT or CBT to take effect. If you start getting more rleaxed as you go, try the tapes again at a later date, also.

But importantly trying to learn this information and its effect on the gut, for normals even, but very importantly for IBS will help in a variety of ways, some of which I will keep posting about.

However, these things do take time and a lot of persistence, dedication and focus on the IBSers part to keep at it and learn about it all. The it will start to help and a person will start feeling and seeing the connections. Part of this involveds moods states and the distress the condition causes in and of it self.


CRH Antagonist Reduces IBS Responses to Stress


June 30, 2004 ¾ Peripheral administration of the nonselective corticotropin-releasing hormone (CRH) antagonist α-helical CRH9-41 (αhCRH) improves gastrointestinal motility, visceral perception, and negative mood in response to gut stimulation without affecting the hypothalamo-pituitary-adrenal axis in patients with irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), according to the results of a preliminary study published in the July issue of Gut.

"IBS is presumed to be a disorder of the brain-gut link associated with an exaggerated response to stress," write Y. Sagami, MD, and colleagues of the Department of Psychosomatic Medicine at the Tohoku University School of Medicine in Sendai, Japan. "CRH is considered to be a major mediator of stress responses in the brain-gut axis."

The investigators enrolled 10 healthy subjects and 10 subjects diagnosed with diarrhea-predominant IBS according to the Rome II criteria. IBS medication was discontinued one week prior to the study.

A barostat bag and three transducers were inserted into the proximal portion of the descending colon of each subject and connected to an analog-digital converter and a visceral stimulator. An electrode catheter was set in the rectum for electrical stimulation of the mucosa.

The study was conducted in two segments, one using a 20-mL saline bolus followed by continuous infusion, and the other using a 2 µg/kg αhCRH bolus followed by 8 µg/kg continuous infusion. Both segments included baseline, rectal electrical stimulation, recovery, and tracking phases. Colonic tone was evaluated by noting the lowest volume in the barostat bag at which the subject felt pressure. Subjective symptoms were self-assessed by subjects on an ordinate scale.

Basal bag volume tended to be lower in IBS subjects than controls, indicating higher colonic tone. Administration of αhCRH resulted in significantly increased baseline barostat bag volume in control subjects (from a mean standard error of the mean (SEM) of 105.8 30.5 mL to 148.3 37.4; P = .004) but not IBS subjects. IBS subjects responded to electrical stimulation with significantly decreased bag volume both in the first segment (P = .01) and after the αhCRH infusion (P = .004). Electrical stimulation did not reduce bag volume in the control subjects.

"Colonic tone in IBS patients increased throughout our experiment and was even exaggerated by electrical stimulation of the rectum," the authors note. "The increased sensitivity of the gut to CRH in IBS patients may account for this phenomenon."

Motility indices of the colon induced by electrical stimulation were significantly higher in IBS patients compared with control subjects (mean SEM, 421.5 171.6 vs. 124.5 46.5; P = .04). This exaggerated motility response in IBS subjects was significantly attenuated by αhCRH (P .05).

In IBS subjects, &#945;hCRH significantly decreased evaluations of abdominal pain (P = .02) and anxiety (P< .0001) resulting from electrical stimulation.

Administration of &#945;hCRH had no inhibitory effects on the hypothalamo-pituitary-adrenal axis; levels of plasma adrenocorticotropic hormone and serum cortisol were not reduced.


"Because of the small number of subjects included in the study, this initial clinical investigation warrants replication in a larger group of IBS patients and further assessment using a placebo control group," comments Y. Taché, MD, from the Digestive Diseases Research Center in Los Angeles, California, in an accompanying editorial, adding that the findings also support the testing of more potent CRH antagonists.

The authors report no pertinent financial disclosures.

Gut. 2004;53:919-921, 958-964

It should be noted, that regardless of how complex all this is, some basic approaches really make a huge difference in IBS symptoms for the vast majority of IBSers.

Its not needed to understand this all in serious depth, although that helps too, but to just learn the basics.

This is on the bigger picture of IBS and IBS research in general, it is quite in depth. And actually save me some time.

Irritable Bowel Syndrome: Taking Concepts Into Clinical Practice


Chairperson: Michael D. Gershon, MD; Faculty: Kevin W. Olden, MD; Walter L. Peterson, MD; Nicholas J. Talley, MD, PhD; Gervais Tougas, MD, CM, FRCPC


Copyright © 2002 CME Consultants, Inc.
This CME activity is based on transcripts and slides of presentations as delivered by the faculty at the "Irritable Bowel Syndrome: Taking Concepts Into Clinical Practice" symposium held at the Palace Hotel in San Francisco, California on May 20, 2002.

http://www.medscape.com/viewprogram/1985_pnt


You often see cortisol or ACTH or Histimine and other stress hormones in IBS research and IBS education. This helps even more to explain what I have been talking about on this thread and how very important it is in IBS and psycophysiological brain gut intereactions.

Mayo
Stress: Why you have it and how it hurts your health

"Often referred to as the "fight-or-flight" reaction, the stress response occurs automatically when you feel threatened. Your pituitary gland, located at the base of your brain, responds to a perceived threat by stepping up its release of adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH), which signals other glands to produce additional hormones. When the pituitary sends out a burst of ACTH, it's like an alarm system going off deep in your brain. This alarm tells your adrenal glands, situated atop your kidneys, to release a flood of stress hormones into your bloodstream. These hormones — including cortisol and adrenaline — focus your concentration, speed your reaction time, and increase your strength and agility.



How stress affects your body


After you've fought, fled or otherwise escaped your stressful situation, the levels of cortisol and adrenaline in your bloodstream decline. As a result, your heart rate and blood pressure return to normal and your digestion and metabolism resume a regular pace. But if stressful situations pile up one after another, your body has no chance to recover. This long-term activation of the stress-response system can disrupt almost all your body's processes, increasing your risk of obesity, insomnia, digestive complaints, heart disease and depression.

Digestive system. It's common to have a stomachache or diarrhea when you're stressed. This happens because stress hormones slow the release of stomach acid and the emptying of the stomach. The same hormones also stimulate the colon, which speeds the passage of its contents. Chronic stress can also lead to continuously high levels of cortisol. This hormone can increase appetite and cause weight gain.
Immune system. Chronic stress tends to dampen your immune system, making you more susceptible to colds and other infections. Typically, your immune system responds to infection by releasing several substances that cause inflammation. In response, the adrenal glands produce cortisol, which switches off the immune and inflammatory responses once the infection is cleared. However, prolonged stress keeps your cortisol levels continuously elevated, so your immune system remains suppressed.
In some cases, stress can have the opposite effect, making your immune system overactive. The result is an increased risk of autoimmune diseases, in which your immune system attacks your body's own cells. Stress can also worsen the symptoms of autoimmune diseases. For example, stress is one of the triggers for the sporadic flare-ups of symptoms in lupus.

Nervous system. If your fight-or-flight response never shuts off, stress hormones produce persistent feelings of anxiety, helplessness and impending doom. Oversensitivity to stress has been linked with severe depression, possibly because depressed people have a harder time adapting to the negative effects of cortisol. The byproducts of cortisol act as sedatives, which contribute to the overall feeling of depression. Excessive amounts of cortisol can cause sleep disturbances, loss of sex drive and loss of appetite.
Cardiovascular system. High levels of cortisol can also raise your heart rate and increase your blood pressure and blood lipid (cholesterol and triglyceride) levels. These are risk factors for both heart attacks and strokes. Cortisol levels also appear to play a role in the accumulation of abdominal fat, which gives some people an "apple" shape. People with apple body shapes have a higher risk of heart disease and diabetes than do people with "pear" body shapes, where weight is more concentrated in the hips.
Other systems. Stress worsens many skin conditions — such as psoriasis, eczema, hives and acne — and can be a trigger for asthma attacks."

http://www.mayoclinic.com/invoke.cfm?objectid=76F75B48-39C9-42CE-AC10563A6FFB68E8



IBS – Beyond the Bowel:
The Meaning of Co-existing Medical Problems
Olafur S. Palsson, Psy.D. and William E. Whitehead, Ph.D.
UNC Center for Functional GI & Motility Disorders
SYMPTOMS ALL OVER THE BODY IN IBS
Several research reports have established that IBS patients report non-bowel symptoms
more frequently than other GI patients and general medical patients. For example, four
studies that have asked IBS patients about a wide variety of body symptoms(1-4) all found
headaches (reported by 23-45% of IBS patients), back pain (28-81%), and frequent
urination (20-56%) to be unusually common in individuals with IBS compared to other
people. Fatigue (36-63%) and bad breath or unpleasant taste in the mouth (16-63%) were
found in three of these four studies to be more common among IBS patients, as well.
Furthermore, a large number of other symptoms have been reported to occur with
unusually high frequency in single studies. In our recent systematic review of the medical
literature(5), we found a total 26 different symptoms, listed in Table 1, that are reported to
be more common in IBS patients than comparison groups in at least one study.
Table 1. Non-gastrointestinal symptoms more common in irritable bowel syndrome
patients than in comparison groups(5).
1. Headache
2. Dizziness
3. Heart palpitations or racing heart
4. Back pain
5. Shortness of breath
6. Muscle ache
7. Frequent urinating
8. Difficulty urinating
9. Sensitivity to heat or cold
10. Constant tiredness
11. Pain during intercourse (sex)
12. Trembling hands
13. Sleeping difficulties
14. Bad breath/unpleasant taste in
mouth
15. Grinding your teeth
16. Jaw pain
17. Flushing of your face and neck
18. Dry mouth
19. Weak or wobbly legs
20. Scratchy throat
21. Tightness or pressure in chest
22. Low sex drive
23. Poor appetite
24. Eye pain
25. Stiff muscles
26. Eye twitching

http://www.med.unc.edu/medicine/fgidc/beyond_the_bowel.htm

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The nervous system as a whole is divided into two parts.


The Central Nervous System and the Peripheral Nervous System.

The central nervous system is the brain and the spinal cord.

The Peripheral Nervous system.

The peripheral nervous system is divided into two major parts: the somatic nervous system and the autonomic nervous system.

1. Somatic Nervous System
The somatic nervous system consists of peripheral nerve fibers that send sensory information to the central nervous system AND motor nerve fibers that project to skeletal muscle.

2. Autonomic Nervous System
The autonomic nervous system is divided into three parts: the sympathetic nervous system, the parasympathetic nervous system and the enteric nervous system. The autonomic nervous system controls smooth muscle of the viscera (internal organs) and glands.


Okay so the "brain in the gut" is called the enteric nervous system. This system runs autonomically under the control of the autonomic nervous system. You don't have to conciously think about digesting your food, its done autonomically, like breathing and heart rate, etc., because these systems are under control of the autonomic nervous system.

I will come back to this a little more later, because there are important implications here and IBS.

But

"The enteric nervous system detects bowel distension (expansion) on the basis of pressure-sensitive cells in the bowel lumen (opening). Once activated, these pressure-sensitive cells promote the release of serotonin, which in turn promotes both secretory function and peristaltic function (the contractions of the intestines that force the contents outward). At least four serotonergic receptors have been identified to be participants in the secretory and peristaltic response."

So when the bowel is distended, it releases serotonin to start contractions. However, it is also major in sending information about sensations in the gut to the brain.


Stomach Noises.

"
Sarah, a 21 year old student, who was diagnosed with IBS, tell the story of her struggle with the condition.

The wrong lesson I taught myself in the lecture room

It was almost 11 o'clock on a Monday morning of March 1994. I was on my way to a Research Methods lecture, totally unaware that my first encounter with IBS lay shortly ahead.

Probably the only clue was this odd feeling in my stomach; it was this hollow kind of nausea & a really strange, uncomfortable sensation that I had never experienced before. It made me feel uneasy. Thinking that it would pass, I decided that I would go ahead and sit through the lecture. But within a few minutes, I was left wishing I had never entered the room.

Shortly after the lecture began, my stomach started making strange, loud noises. Wind was pioneering up and down my stomach like a rollercoaster, but far more critically for me, people could actually hear it doing so. Somebody sniggered behind me. And from that moment on, all I registered was humiliation. I felt trapped, out of control and totally isolated. With each noise that my stomach made, I became more and more terrified. Eventually, when I felt I could cope no longer, I left the lecture room."

http://www.surgerydoor.co.uk/livingwith/detail2.asp?level1=Living%20with%20Irritable%20Bowel%20Syndrome&level2=Case%20Study


Has not been much responce to this thread, but am going to keep the information flowing on all this, because its all part of IBS.

The autonomic nervous system.

"To summarize:

Thoughts and even subtle emotions influence the activity and balance of the autonomic nervous system (ANS).

The ANS interacts with our digestive, cardiovascular,immune and hormonal systems and is therefore ideally suited to translate mind states into organ functions/dysfunctions
Negative reactions create disorder and imbalance in the ANS.
Positive feelings such as appreciation and a state of relaxation create increased order and balance in the ANS, resulting in increased hormonal and immune system balance and more efficient brain function.
It has been shown in a number of studies that during mental or emotional stress and physical stress, there is an increase in sympathetic activity and a decrease in parasympathetic activity. This results in increased strain on the heart as well as on the immune and hormonal systems. Increased sympathetic activity is associated with a lower ventricular fibrillation threshold and an increased risk of fibrillation, in contrast to increased parasympathetic activity, which protects the heart."

http://www.cns.med.ucla.edu/Articles/PatientArticleSm02ANS.htm



"How does stress affect gastrointestinal problems?
A person with a gastrointestinal disease or disorder is vulnerable to the effects of anxiety specifically in the area of their existing illness. Stress may also increase the experience of pain, aggravate the disease process, and interfere with healing. We should note that research has not shown emotional stress to cause structural problems in the gastrointestinal system, however, one study has found changes to the bowel mucosal lining in people who had experienced many stressful events during the preceding year. While stress does not causes gastrointestinal problems, it can make existing conditions worse.

As mentioned, our bodies respond to sudden crisis situations by going into the fight-or-flight state - sometimes called a red alert state - in which we are ready to take action to deal with a potential threat. Physical changes of this response also include a shift of blood flow away from the digestive system in addition to the increased muscle tension and immune system suppression. It is these changes that are significant to people with gastrointestinal conditions.

An individual who is not able to handle difficult situations effectively may perpetually remain in the red alert state. The body is being maintained in an over-activated condition, thus disrupting the body's normal operation, including that of the digestive system. "

http://www.badgut.com/index.php?contentFile=stress_management&title=Stress%20Management


This study was very important and more studies have been done since then. It is one of the inlfammatory cells seen in IBS that can contribute to pain and is connected to irritable bladder and food sensitivies and histimine as well as why some people develop IBS after an enteric infection, from a bacteria, parasite and now maybe possible a virual infection in the gut.


and why I am in part posting this thread and how strongly I believe the importance of it all is in brain gut axis dysregulations.

FYI
Diagnosis, Pathophysiology, and Treatment of Irritable Bowel Syndrome

"Pathophysiology of IBS
The pathophysiology of IBS is a work in progress. Roughly 200 years after its initial description by the English physician William Powell, our understanding of what causes IBS symptoms remains incompletely understood. For most of the second half of the 20th century, tremendous attention was paid to the concept of altered gut motility as a cause of IBS symptoms.20 However, several difficulties are apparent in this approach. First, although altered motility of the colon and small bowel can be demonstrated in patients with IBS, there is a very poor correlation between IBS symptomatology and the presence of alterations in gastrointestinal motility. 21 Likewise, drugs that alter gastrointestinal motility alone, such as antispasmodic22,23 and prokinetic drugs like metoclopramide and cisapride,24,25 have not been shown to be of any significant benefit in relieving IBS symptoms.
The third dilemma facing investigators in this area is that no pathognomonic pattern of gut dysmotility can be identified specifically with IBS, as opposed to other functional or organic disorders of the gut.20 Altered motility, as occurs in IBS, is currently seen as one of many epiphenomena associated with the disorder, as opposed to being a cause of the disorder itself.
In the early 1980s, it was discovered that upon balloon distention in the rectum, individuals suffering from IBS were more sensitive to distention than were individuals who did not suffer from IBS.26 This means that IBS patients feel discomfort at lower levels of balloon inflation in the rectum and lower bowel than do normal controls. This finding has been replicated in numerous studies, and the concept of "visceral" hypersensitivity has been established.27 A second level of investigation in this area is the fascinating finding that individuals with IBS not only have a unique local response (in the rectum) to visceral stimulation, but they also tend to process signals in the brain differently from non-IBS controls. Mertz and others[27] have shown that IBS patients have differential responses in the anterior cingulate cortex and other areas of the brain when stimulated with rectal or sigmoid colon distention, compared with controls. These findings have been replicated by other investigators.28 These data certainly suggest the possibility of a "brain-gut axis" where peripheral symptoms are processed in the end organ (ie, the colon), and then neural signals are carried via visceral afferents to the spinal cord, and then to the brain, where they are subject to additional processing. 29 It is this brain-gut axis that has received considerable attention recently in IBS research. The findings of enhanced visceral sensitivity in the colon and rectum, as well as altered processing of signals in the brain, have provided new insight. Regarding the pathophysiology of IBS, the altered processing of neural sensation in IBS patients logically raises the question as to which neurotransmitters play a role in this abnormal signal transmission."

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Re: Anxiety and IBS new
      #121527 - 11/13/04 03:05 PM
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I have had the fear since I was a little girl too and would run away just like your daughter...I still shake and cry and am a grown up. Its a feeling of sheer terror!! I hope your daughter manages to get over it!

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      #121531 - 11/13/04 03:36 PM
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This is all so fascinating...thank you !

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      #121537 - 11/13/04 04:13 PM
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There are no words to express how relieved I am once again to see I am not the only one. I thought my fear of puking was just my personality and some sort of thing I made up in my head. I started having issues with it when my sister was diognosed with cancer back when I was 11 and even after she passed away just to hear people get sick would make me cry. I then became very good friends with some one who has been an alcoholic since we were very young and all the puking would just make me so freaked out. I never ever knew there was a technical term for this phobia and now that I know I plan on studying this and looking into ways of getting help. I did not think there was a way to get past this being that I thought it was all in my head. This site is what gave me back my life, gave me a reason to go on, just when I really thought I was going to just say to heck with it and end it all I found this site and found out I was not alone. Now once again I have found that I am not alone again and this is just as important to me.
When my kids get sick I can not care for them, I cry as soon as I know some one has come down with the flu. My better half bowls on a league and I can not go because it's winter and there are germs, I freak out to the point where I use my sleeve to touch door knobs and I keep antibacterail hand wash with me.
I can only say thank you so much for showing me once again that I am not crazy and I am not alone!!!!!!

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      #121538 - 11/13/04 04:22 PM
prtyblueeyz

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http://www.emetophobia.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=526&PN=1 This is a site all about the phobia, not sure if it will help but I am in the process of reading as much as I can.

Take care
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This has opened my eyes... new
      #121544 - 11/13/04 05:06 PM
Nelly

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I am reading these fear of puking posts wide-eyed. I had never heard of this before, and it sounds very real and very shared among a lot of people on this board. I have always thought as vomiting as relief. It's always been a comfort to me, and a sign that I am getting better.

I do not doubt for a second that for you vomiting can be extremely frightening to go through and very disturbing to watch. It's amazing, really, that fear of vomiting had never occured to me! My bf recently saw me have a major attack of D (fever, sweating, painful screaming, praying to die, etc.), and it really shook him and Freaked Him Out. He is now nervous of developing lactose intolerance and perhaps IBS, and no longer has any doubt IBS is real, and admits to me he is scared of such an attack happening to him.

Knowledge is power! This forum has once again served to enlighten and comfort!!!! All hail the forum!

Peace,

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      #121550 - 11/13/04 05:40 PM
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I wish I would have known about this sooner. I feel like I have not been as sympethetic as I could have been. I am so sorry that you, my daughter and others are afraid. I really will post if I learn anything from her Dr. that might add to this discussion. I am going to have to read all the info. on this thread.

Hear is to good health!!!
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Re: Anxiety and IBS new
      #121551 - 11/13/04 05:47 PM
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You are so right!! You hit the nail on the head. I too went to the doctors with my symptoms of always feeling sick etc. And the doctors told me it was anxiety and stress. I believed it eventually for 3years, was put on medication, had a breakdown because I thought that I was crazy and it wasn't getting any better, until I was finally diagnosied correctly with IBS and also CFS. It took a while to get off the medication, my hair was failing out and I had to cut it off, and I didn't start out with anxiety but after 3 years of believing it, you give yourself anxiety. I know get a little bit anxious and a rare panic attack. With me having nausea alot has made me emetophobic although I am learning not to get so scared and worried about it, still hard!!
You have hit the nail right on the head, I think there is many of us out there!....Take Care Amari

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Brittany.... i'm just like you new
      #121554 - 11/13/04 05:57 PM
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Hey Brittany, I too sleep with a bucket next to the bed, just in case. When ever I go somewhere first thing is I always look to see where a bin or the toliet is, just in case. I too aviod going anywhere if feeling sick, just in case of not being home when I am feeling sick. I think they can say that it is sort of a social emetophobia. I also when I go to the movies or shows, sit on the aisle and next to an exit, incase I need to escape...It can be such a head-ache most of the time....Take Care....Amari

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Me too...only I was sick infront of the whole class! new
      #121565 - 11/13/04 06:56 PM
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OMG I really did think I was the only one out there like that...Im so glad you people are here...you make me feel more normal every single day! I always check for exits when Im out and obviously I know where every single toilet in town is...infact I was doing it 2day at the supermarket...eyeing up the nearest loo....lol! I also try to make sure that everytime I go home on the train I have a 20 pence piece with me because thats how much it costs to go into the toilets at the station and I feel so much better if I know I could actually get there if I needed too! I know exactly where my phobia comes from though...unfortunately I had to endure the embarrassment of being sick infront of the whole class at school! We were reading a book and Id had my turn to read out loud and suddenly came over all sick...next thing I knew the whole contents of my lunch (spaghetti hoops on toast) appeared all over the desk! The poor guy next to me nearly fell off his chair trying to avoid the sick! As if that wasn't bad enough the teacher then stood me at the front of the class and said....who would like to accompany natalie to the toilet?? To say I wanted to die at that moment was an understatement! Ive been paranoid ever since...would touch spaghetti hoops again...lol! Like Brittany Im funny over the salmonella thing aswell...I actually gave myself food poisoning from chicken last year(by accident of course) so I wont cook it in a pan anymore....god Im starting to feel nauseous typing this!lol!

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Jennifer new
      #121586 - 11/13/04 09:23 PM
daliatree

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Jennifer (one of my favourite names!), you are never ever alone in this world. no matter how lonely it can get sometimes, there is always someone, somewhere that can understand. thank God for the internet is all I can say. I can finally let out the anxiety IBS has brought me and share it with others that understand.
It is so easy to understand why you are so fearful. I am so so sorry and sad about the loss of your sister that you have had to endure from such a young impressionable age. Please always be kind to yourself about this.
Lots of love

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Nelly new
      #121588 - 11/13/04 09:24 PM
daliatree

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You are such a fab person...just wanted to say that...XXXX

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Re: Nelly new
      #121607 - 11/13/04 11:25 PM
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although this is on depression, there are very clear known connections on anxiety, stress, depression and pain and also bowel symptoms.

Not ony that but a major implicator player in IBS is serotonin, again which the majority of is stored in the gut.

The Pain-Depression Conundrum: Bridging the Body and Mind


"Introduction
Pain and depression seem to go hand in hand. What person with intractable pain would not, understandably, be depressed? Yet the relationship of these conditions is complex and unpredictable. Indeed, people in pain are not invariably depressed, although approximately one third of patients with pain do experience comorbid depression. By contrast, three fourths of those with depression will present with physical symptoms, including pain.

Certainly, individuals with pain-related disorders are at risk for depression.[1-6] In fact, some research suggests that pain can be the best indicator of depression, especially among the elderly.[7] A number of studies also suggest that depression can augment the impairment associated with pain. In a 24-month study of 228 elderly patients with depression or pain living in retirement communities,[8] Mossey and colleagues[9] evaluated the severity of depression and pain and their impact on functional activity. Initially, almost 50% of the patients who did not suffer depression reported limitations associated with their pain. Over the course of 2 years, however, people who began experiencing depressive symptoms also began reporting more impairment associated with the pain. In addition, high levels of depression were consistently associated with high levels of pain-associated impairment, and in the presence of pain, even low levels of depression were associated with increased healthcare utilization.[10]

The relationship between pain and depression clearly is complex and still emerging. Recent research shows that serotonin and norepinephrine may modulate pain as well as mood. Understanding the shared pathophysiology of these phenomena will help clinicians to manage both conditions and ultimately help their patients to achieve remission. This Clinical Update will detail the epidemiologic, neurobiologic, and pharmacologic correlates of pain and depression. "

Pain and Depression in Primary Care
Painful or uncomfortable physical symptoms are among the most common reasons individuals seek medical care. In a recent study, 107 HMO participants were asked to record all symptoms they experienced during a given 3-week period.[11] The results revealed that each person experienced at least 1 symptom, including backache, headache, or stomach pain, every 3-4 days. Yet patients reported less than 6% of these problems to a physician.

When and why, then, do people bring their aches and pains to the doctor? Evidence suggests that people seek out medical care when symptoms become worrisome, interfere with their daily lives, or are disabling. In addition, studies show that when depression, anxiety, panic, or other psychiatric conditions are present, symptoms are more likely to reach this threshold.[12-17] In fact, persons who seek healthcare for fatigue, migraine headaches, and gastrointestinal complaints experience more stressful life events, more distress, and are more likely to have an anxiety or depressive disorder than are those who do not seek care.[18,19]

Several studies of irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) poignantly demonstrate the role of psychiatric disorders in healthcare-seeking behavior for corporeal aches and pains. Drossman and colleagues[14-16] studied 72 patients with IBS who sought medical care, 82 persons with IBS who had not sought medical care, and 84 healthy subjects. They found that patients with IBS who seek care and those with IBS who do not seek care experience the same symptoms. However, IBS patients who seek help from a physician are significantly more likely to have psychiatric disorders, abnormal personality patterns, and more life stress.

In fact, evidence suggests that half of all high medical care users are psychologically distressed. What specific psychiatric disorders are most common among this group? According to a study by Katon and colleagues,[12] 40% have depressive disorders, 22% have generalized anxiety disorder, 20% have somatization disorders, 12% have panic disorder, and 5% are alcohol abusers.

Statistics on the relationship between specific common physical symptoms and psychiatric disorders in primary care patients illustrate the pervasiveness of this comorbidity. Kroenke and colleagues[17] found that the presence of any physical symptom increased the likelihood of a diagnosis of a mood or anxiety disorder by as much as 3-fold. Furthermore, 34% of patients with joint or limb pain, 38% of patients with back pain, 40% of patients with headache, 46% of patients with chest pain, and 43% of patients with abdominal pain also had a mood disorder.

While psychological problems may be prevalent among high healthcare users, what specific symptoms prompt most patients to seek out medical care? Physical symptoms account for half of all primary care physician visits.[20] And while physical symptoms restrict the activities of Americans an average of 9.7 days annually, most of these physical manifestations are never explained by a disease or injury (Figures 1, 2). "

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      #121610 - 11/13/04 11:38 PM
shawneric

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Not sure hw many with Emetophobia have seen this.

Frequently Asked Questions about Emetophobia


http://emetophobia.bravepages.com/emetophobia.html




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Re: Daliatree.... new
      #121624 - 11/14/04 04:51 AM
prtyblueeyz

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Well thank you very much for the compassion. My sister has been gone for 14yrs so it has been a very long time since that happened. I had originally stopped posting and readying in here because I thought this was helping me obsessive and keep me thinking of nothing but my IBS but yestereday when I decided to just come in and read it reminded me why I need to be more active here and how foolish I have been to stay away.

Thank you again
You take care
Hugs to u
Jennifer

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