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Re: thanks...another question new
      #296775 - 01/16/07 08:12 AM
michele

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Yes, I took the miralax while pregnant. My gi guy said he gave it to his wife when she was pregnant so I felt just fine using it!!

Anytime you take fertility drugs there is an increase chance of multiples but honestly at 50mg your chances are very slim. I would ask your dr why he is waiting until cd 17 for the ultrasound. Are they doing blood tests to check your estrogen?

Get used to the waiting, from her on out its ALL about waiting!! Waiting to take the clomid, waiting to ovulate, waiting for test results, wait, wait and wait some more!

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Re: thanks...another question new
      #296803 - 01/16/07 10:07 AM
Mary_V

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So, I called the Dr. this morning. He said I could come in today instead of waiting until tomorrow. So, after waiting over an hour there I got an ultrasound...nothing! Sooooo disappointing. All of these stupid side effects for nothing. I'll try again next month at 100 mg of clomid. Hopefully the side effects won't get too bad with the new dose. My next us will be Feb. 19. That seems like an eternity right now. I guess for now I just wait. What a bummer. I wanted to start trying this week:( Thanks for listening.

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Re: thanks...another question new
      #296824 - 01/16/07 11:14 AM
michele

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You mean you had no egg follicles at all? Did you ask if it was possible that you already ovulated and that's why it wasn't showing up on the ultrasound?

I was under the care of a reproductive endocrinologist and I guess they follow things a little closer. I would do the clomid cd 3-7-there's a huge amout of controversy if its better to take it cd 3-7 or 5-9 and from my time on the fertility boards and talking with others, it seems people did better taking it on cd 3-7-so maybe ask your doc about that as well.

I would start with blood checks on cd 12 to check my estrogen. Your estrogen should go up just before ovulation. Its been a while but I think the rule of thumb was that you wanted it to be at least 400 for every egg. I usually produce two eggs on clomid and my estrogen would run around 850 just before ovulation. I would have daily blood tests to check the estrogen and started with the ultrasound on cd 13 and would do them everyday if needed until my eggs were mature and my estrogen was a good level. Then, we would do an hcg injection to be sure the eggs released.

Have they run any sort of tests as to why you are not ovulating?

I am sorry this month is a bust, I know it is frustrating. Just an FYI, the month I did get pregnant, my estrogen dropped and I ovulated early and they said I had no chance and ended up pregnant with twins! Just shows they don't always know!

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Re: thanks...another question new
      #296881 - 01/16/07 03:56 PM
Mary_V

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Thanks again for all of your good info and quick responses, Michele. It's so nice to hear from someone with experience.

Yes, there were follicles. They were too small, though. Around 12mm.

I do see a fertility specialist. I believe he is a reproductive endocrinologist. I know he's been doing this for a long time. I wonder why a couple days makes so much difference. He is having me do cd 5-9 again. I start Provera on the 21st to start AF again.

He did do some blood work before starting treatment. It all looked pretty normal. My thyroid levels were on the high end, so I am taking synthroid for hypothyroidism. That was the only thing that wasn't in the very normal range. He mentioned possibly trying a diabetes drug (metformin) since it is very prevalent in my family, but we're not trying that yet. Maybe if this stuff doesn't work.

That's funny that you got pregnant when they said it was a bust. I think DH and I will give things a go this week anyway. You never know It just seems like something must be happening considering how I'm feeling. Hopefully the 100 mg dose will do the trick. I just hate having to wait an entire month again. This is the one time I wish I could have a much shorter cycle

Should I buy any kind of prediction kits or anything to check stuff on my own? Should I monitor my temp?

I'll let you know how things go next time. And I appreciate any advice you have to give.

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Re: thanks...another question new
      #296946 - 01/17/07 07:25 AM
michele

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I would definitely give it a go this weekend. If they were 12 mm, the could grow a bit yet. Really anything over 14 is viable. They prefer 18mm but as I said, they don't always get it right! I think its postive that you at least responded to the 50mg and I bet the 100mg will do the trick. Not to scare you but I did notive the side effects to get worse as the dose went up! Mostly the hot flashes and the bitchniess!

I was going to mention the metformin, it seemed to do the trick when the clomid wasn't working for other girls. I didn't do the temperature. Although I did buy the ovulation tests. I think doing all the tests yourself makes you more obsessive about it.

Honestly, my best advice is to get busy with hubby every other day starting at cd 12. This may be a little gross to talk about but do you ever notice a change in your cervical discharge? I could always tell when i was about to ovulate because things got very slippery down there. This increase in fluid helps the sperm to swim and live longer. This is where I said the clomid dried me out a bit so i started using the preseed that I mentioned earlier.

I wouldn't worry to much about which cd's you take the clomid. If you are taking it 5-9, you just may ovulate a little later is all!

I KNOW the waiting is just awful. Try to distract yourself with your favorite hobby or go buy some trashy, chick books to read to keep your mind off it. Have you noticed since you have started trying that you see pregnant woman EVERYWHERE!!!!

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Thanks! new
      #296947 - 01/17/07 07:44 AM
Mary_V

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YES, YES, YES! There are pregnant women and babies EVERYWHERE!! My cousin's wife is even due on my bday (in March). I swear everyone but me is pregnant right now. At least it feels that way. I guess you just notice it more.

I'm not too thrilled about increased side effects, but if that's what it takes, I'll do it. I haven't had any hot flashes yet. My Dr. said if I get them we don't need to go any higher with the dose. That's an inidaction that they're doing as much as they're going to do. Did you notice that the pills made you more C? I haven't been too bad, but I think they have affected things a little. At least I'm already taking miralax.

If things don't work this time around I'll ask the Dr. about the metformin again.

So, I have to start taking provera on Sunday to start AF. You're not supposed to take that if you get pregnant. So, what happens if I do get pregnant but I take that? Will it be harmful? I start the clomid on Feb. 6. But if I don't get AF the Dr. said to call him and not take it. I'm assuming that would be an indication that I might be pregnant.

Yes I have noticed a change in CM. I'm just starting to become aware of it. But I have also noticed the dryness. Maybe I'll look into the preseed.

Thanks again for all of your good info. It's very encouraging. I know I'm just starting out, but it's hard not to be impatient. I don't konw how you managed to go through everything you did. You are a strong woman!

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Re: Thanks! new
      #296980 - 01/17/07 10:24 AM
michele

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The side effects were doable. I was mostly just super cranky and I did have a lot of hot flashes! I used to take an extra shirt with me to work because I would get them several times a day! Its not like they hurt or anything but they did make me a bit dizzy and were rather annoying!

I don't remember being any more c. Its probably the stress. Be sure you are drinking lots of water. You can always do a double dose of miralax for a day or two if you get too backed up!

Taking provera can cause a drop in progesterone which can cause a miscarriage. I would do a pregnancy test before you start it. I never heard of anyone taking it than finding out they were pregnant. The tests at the web site I posted are very sensitive, they test positive at just 20hcg.

If you have already noticed some dryness, I would definitely order the pre-seed for next month. The higher dose will dry you out more and you don't want to use regular lubricants. We used to use astroglide but than I found out even though it doesn't say there is a spermicide in it, it can kill the sperm. As soon as I stopped and switched to the preseed, I got pregnant. That was the second or third time around.

It is very hard to be patient, especially when you notice every pregnant woman within a 100 mile radius! Hang in there, I'd like to say the waiting gets easier but honestly, it didn't for me.

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Re: Thanks! new
      #296989 - 01/17/07 10:48 AM
Mary_V

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I'm no stranger to hot flashes. It's very common for me to wake up sweating...this started way before clomid. I think it's related to my blood sugar. As soon as I eat breakfast it feels like my body temp drops about 20 deg. My Dr. never seems concerned about it. But at least I know what it's like. And I'm generally VERY cold. So I won't mind it too much.

I already take 2 doses of miralax daily. So hopefully things don't get any worse. I drink TONS of water. I pee all the time.

Yeah, I'm already very impatient. It's on my mind constantly. I'm going to see my psychologist on the 31st. Hopefully she'll have some good distraction techniques for me. And by then I'll be close to starting my next round of clomid. Hopefully the next few weeks will fly by!

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Re: A question for the ladies... new
      #297080 - 01/17/07 09:42 PM
Julie E

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I took it several years ago. I only took it 2 cycles. It made me ovulate one month, but not the second. I quit taking it because of the headaches. I don't remember any other side effects.

My sister used Clomid to get pregnant with all 3 of her kids. It worked great for her, and she didn't have the bad headaches either.

When I finally got pregnant, it happened several years later with no drugs. I was completely surprised when it happened. I had not been obsessed with getting pregnant, but we had not used any protection for 5 years and had no luck. I had completely resigned myself to the fact that I would not be able to have children. That's when I got pregnant. There really is something to be said about relaxing and just letting nature take its course. You can't force it, no matter how hard you try!

Best of luck!!

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Re: A question for the ladies... new
      #297084 - 01/18/07 04:49 AM
Mary_V

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Loc: Grandville, MI

Thanks. I have had pretty bad headaches, but I get headaches all the time anyway. So, I'm used to it. They have been a little worse than usual, but manageable.

I agree that being relaxed is helpful. I hope I can stay relaxed. I have anxiety, so it's not easy. I'm also a planner. So not being able to plan this is difficult. But now that I've made it through the first round of clomid I am more relaxed...I know how the pills affect me, and I don't have my expectations too high. Hopefully that will help.

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Had surgery for rectal prolapse in Sept. '06 and feeling good now! Loving life with our IVF miracle #1.



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