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      #268014 - 06/06/06 08:15 PM
hohoyumyum

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those are words of manipulation. Don't let him make you feel guilty and don't apologize. Stay focused on taking care of you and your daughter.

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I agree with EVERYTHING that Blondie mentioned... new
      #268018 - 06/06/06 08:34 PM
Dr. Spice Yamin

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you said.. "how can he ever forgive me?" (or something to that effect, I read it a few minutes ago).. the real question is how can you EVER forgive him?

You told someone close to him problems that he may very well have, and it wasn't out of hate.. it was so that you could help him. You thought.. well he may not listen to me, but maybe he'll listen to his mom...

On the contrary, he's made rude, disgusting comments, gone out drinking, flirted with his little girl right in front of your face, looked at kiddie porn, lied, etc for who knows how long. I agree that he's manipulating you into feeling bad- and I think he probably has for awhile (i.e. getting you to let him look at porn, getting you to allow him to skip every family function so that you're the one always alone) etc..

It sounds like he may be a fabulous manipulator. The reason he can't look you in the eye isn't because you told on him.. its because he is beginning to realize what an a-hole he's been to you, and just how harsh he really was. He's not looking you in the eye because he wants to keep thinking that what he's doing is right, and if he looked at you.. maybe he'd realize that he did it the wrong way.

It shouldn't be you that needs to prove to him that you're worthy of him and deserve another shot.. he needs to prove that to you. I know.. I sound harsh, but I'm really upset over all this crap with him, and the fact that he can still easily make you feel like crap and as though its all your fault- when he is clearly the one that did the wrong thing.

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one more thing... new
      #268019 - 06/06/06 08:37 PM
Dr. Spice Yamin

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You don't need to answer this here, but please think about it.

is it actually him that you want back (and all the crap) or is it the thought of him, and what you had (ie happy loving family). Remember that you need to seperate the two, and decide whether or not you really want him, or if you don't want to be alone. If the latter is true, its not worth fighting for someone you don't really want in the first place. You need to think about whether or not you could ever forgive him etc. as well. The thought of him may sound good, but thats bc you've been through hell as a result of him for weeks- you need to decide if thats really what you want, or if you want what you had.

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Re: Everyone else nailed it on the head here.... new
      #268068 - 06/07/06 06:37 AM
Yoda (formerly Hans)

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I absolutely agree with everyone else. He is manipulating you into feeling guilty which you absolutely should NOT feel!
His mother is a friend of yours who happens to also be his mother, and you genuinely went to her for help with love in mind - not slander. You did NOTHING WRONG! Trevor is finally facing the fact that his true colours are coming out - in front of EVERYONE - including his Mother. He's probably embarrassed. And he should be! Shame on him!!!!!

Dr. Spice also brought out a very important point - do you want him back - REALLY - or do you want what you thought he was??? Maybe the two are no longer the same, and tough cookie may have to face that. I'm all for reconciling, but if it does happen, he has a lot of stuff to work out first.

Hugs sweetheart. Hold your head up high. You are a wonderful person and that has never changed.
Love, A.

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Re: Everyone else nailed it on the head here.... new
      #268070 - 06/07/06 07:01 AM
michele

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Yep, I agree, you have nothing to feel guilty about and he is manipulating you. You have nothing to apologize for-stay strong! Love and Hugs

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Re: Everyone else nailed it on the head here.... new
      #268104 - 06/07/06 10:26 AM
pinkprincess

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yep i ditto everything...you should NOT feel guilty at all, he is the one with the problem do not let him make you feel guilty. sending you lots of hugs darling, wish there was more we could do.
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just to give you a little hope new
      #268149 - 06/07/06 01:28 PM
susieannah

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I've only read some of your posts but it sounds like your husband is acting very selfish and almost childish in refusing to enlighten you on anything. I just wanted to tell you what I've been through in the last few months and hope it gives you some optimism that life can move on and get better.
I was with my ex for 3 and a half years and I absoloutly adored him, he was what you would describe as a cheeky chappy with with an infectious smile. For the first year everything was great but suddenly he wanted to go out with the boys all the time, spending all weekend getting drunk with his mates and basically not sparing a thought for me. Sometimes he would actually arrange to spend a saturday night with me then phone me up when he was supposed to meet me and say he was going out with the boys instead, either that or turn up drunk! But he wasn't like that all the time (else why would I have stayed with him).
He would then start to use my IBS against me, making me feel like I was some kind of weirdo, he wouldn't understand why I wouldnt go out for a curry and just put up with feeling ill the next day, he would make ME!! feel like I was being unreasonable.
We broke up briefly a few times but he always begged me to come back, saying that he would change his attitude, needless to say he never did.
Well 2 months ago we decided to split, I was heartbroken but I couldn't spend my life feeling resentful and unhappy and second best to his friends, plus by this point I no longer trusted him as he started always keeping his mobile phone on silent.
Well after a few weeks of being on my own I started to get used to being on my own again, I still missed him terribly and would go to pieces if I thought about him or would get that sick feeling in my stomach if a song came on the radio that reminded me of him, but I was enjoying the fact I no longer felt on edge all the time waiting for the next argument or his next selfish act. At this point we were still friends and staying in touch, until last week........ Well I found out that he had been cheating on me several times throughout our relationship! I was gutted, I'd always thought he might have but to have it confirmed was like a knife through the heart. He found out I knew and kept trying to phone me and I just kept putting the phone down until I felt ready to talk, by which point I'd had all the closure I needed. I suddenly had this great moment of clarity and saw him for the person he was not the person I thought he used to be. I came to the conclusion that I am happier on my own than in a relationship that makes me feel rejected and inferior to someone all the time, and you know what its not as scary as I thought and i'm the least stressed I've been in a long time.
All I'm saying is try to step back and say to yourself do I love him for who he is now or am I in love with the person I thought he was or the person he used to be. Try to consider what would make you happy in the long run and try and stay strong. I really wish you all the best shannon x x x x x x

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Re: Wow Susie - spectacular post and... new
      #268153 - 06/07/06 01:39 PM
Yoda (formerly Hans)

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GOOD FOR YOU!!!! You are such a strong intelligent woman! Hold your head high, too. He doesn't deserve you. How thoughtful of you to share this to help Shannon.
My hugs and love go to you both.
XOXO
A.

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Yes, master manipulation indeed... new
      #268228 - 06/07/06 08:57 PM
ChristineM

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I don't advise confiding in his family or friends again, but the bigger issue is his bad behavior. He's going to use the one thing he feels he has against you.

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Shannon new
      #268244 - 06/08/06 04:45 AM
cailin

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..first, what Blondie, Nat etc have already said...they are right, and you have NOTHING to feel guilty about, NOTHING.

You are handling this great, you've taken advice from professionals and you're doing your best for both you and Kayleigh. Hang in there.



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