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      #232878 - 12/20/05 01:37 PM
mindyj

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Will (hubby) and I are planning on spending time with both our families over Christmas. However, like some of the rest of you who are getting ready to see your families, this may not necessarily be something to look forward to. Don't get me wrong – I love Christmas and there are certain people in my family that I enjoy spending time with, however there is one key relationship that is particularly twisted in my family that tends to cause problems for me and is making me particularly dread the days next week that I will spend with my family in Pennsylvania.
I don't know how much I've posted here before about my mom, but I don't think I've gone into a lot of detail. Will and I have been talking about this more recently since I've been getting ready to go up there. My mom is needy to the point of being neurotic and to the point of harmfulness to herself and her children. I'm not exaggerating. She has a need for affirmation of the fact that she is devoted to her family and her children and that she is holding us all together and if it weren't for her devotion to us then all of us would be consumed by overwhelming problems. She has to feel like she is the one who saves us (meaning me and my sister mostly) from those problems and everyone must know that without her we never would have overcome said problems.
So where does this put me in dynamics with her? Well, I've come to realize that my mom is a more fulfilled person when I am struggling with some sort of mental, physical or emotional problem where she can view herself as "saving" me and therefore showing everyone how devoted she is to her family. It's nice when you have parents who care for you and some people may think I shouldn't be whining about it, but I feel like this manifestation is not the way it's supposed to work. On the emotional side of things, before I started dating my husband, my mom encouraged me to stay in crappy relationships because the problems they caused in my life were problems that she could then "save" me from by being the constant supporter and the one to pray for me. Will is the perfect husband. I truly can't imagine anyone better for me and I am 100% a better person with him in my life. My mother was visably disappointed when we got engaged and hated him for the first three years we were married.
Now comes the physical manifestations and sometimes this is even more twisted. My mother waits for me to be sick so that she can take care of me. There have been times in my life she has kept me sick. When I was four years old I broke both arms. My mom would only let the doctors set one of them and insisted the break in the right arm was not bad enough to require casting and it would heal on its own. I have permanent damage to the bones in my wrist from that incident. When I was in 3rd grade I got two strains of the flu at once. My mother refused to take me to the hospital. Finally, my father, with my mom yelling at him to put me back on the sofa, scooped me up and drove me to the hospital himself – when my temperature had reached 106! It spiked at 107.1 before the doctors got it to drop. I could have died. I have permanent problems with depth perception because of minor brain damage that happened that night from the fever. When I was 19, I got a UTI while I was at the beach and went to a clinic on my own and got a prescription for bactrum. One day later the clinic called and said my infection was resistant and I needed a different antibiotic. My mother would not let me go to the pharmacy to get it. She literally took away my car keys and insisted that I would be fine if only I drank enough cranberry juice. The infection went to my kidneys and five days later, again I had a fever over 104 and ended up spending 3 days in the hospital on an IV. I could go on with this. I was up with Will last night and counted at least 16 experiences in the past 25 or so years of my life that I remember in which my mother has caused or aggravated a physical condition in order to make me more reliant upon her.
I'm seeing the pattern more clearly now that I really do have a chronic illness and honestly, and sadly, my mother thrives on it! She has tried several times to convince me to stop taking my medicine. Will has noticed that every time I spend time with her she consistently redirects the topic of conversation back to how sick I am so that she can again talk about ways that she wants to take of me or make things better some how. She has put echicnacea in tea that I drink, knowing full well that it subverts the purposes of the immunosuppressant drugs that my doctor has prescribed and that I am not supposed to take any substance that could boost my immune system. She discourages me from seeing my doctors when I am sick, insisting instead that she wants to come to visit me and take care of me – I let her do it once and I count that in my 16 times of mom aggravating an illness since it landed me much worse off than when she arrived.
With me and Will talking about this pattern and with me getting ready to go visit my family, I'm dreading the whole experience. I know this post has gotten painfully long, but I guess I'm just wanted advice on how I should deal with this. Since I've identified this pattern more in the last few years I've been trying not to tell my mom much about my health issues and just pretend like things are fine, even when they're not, in order to avoid feeding into her issues. But that's not easy – she's done her best for as long as I can remember to push me to no end to talk about how sick I am or how I have whatever problem that's ruining my life. So I guess I'm looking for advice, both on how to react and how to cope. To anyone who can offer it, thanks for your advice and thanks for wading through this overly long note!
wondering and worrying like always...
Min

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Hoo, boy.... new
      #232892 - 12/20/05 02:07 PM
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that is a problem. While reading the beginning of your message, I planned to ask if maybe she wasn't purposefully "keeping" you sick, but just had a general distrust of medicine and doctors---my inlaws RARELY see doctors and only take aspirin. If they get prescribed something, they NEVER take it. They don't trust medicine at all.

But in reading on, I see that's not really the problem. Are you the only one who has these issues with your mother? Possibly because you're the only one with a chronic illness? If you aren't the only one, it seems like no one would look forward to being around her. If you ARE---does everyone else see it? or do they think you overreact?

I guess I'm just wondering what the rest of your family (besides your husband) thinks about this. Can you talk to any of them about it?

It's really hard to change people sometimes, so if you have already tried to talk to her about it, and ask her not to be so involved in your medical history and that doesn't work---the only thing I can think of is avoidance. That doesn't really solve anything, but it removes the stress from your life.

Is there anyway you and the rest of your family can sit your mom down and talk to her about this? Or if that would be too confrontational, then just sit down and have a one on one?

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Oy.... new
      #232914 - 12/20/05 02:58 PM
Bevvy

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Hi Min,

I had a horrible mother who did not want me and laughed at me when I did something stupid. She was not a nice person and made my beloved father's life a living hell. I became estranged from her right after my father died. That was in 1972.

In 1980, I made an attempt to reconcile with my mother, but it was a disaster. I realized she hadn't changed and would not change, not ever. For my own sanity, I had to cut it off with her permanently. I haven't seen or heard from her since.

I didn't confront my mother about issues that bothered me. It would not have done any good anyway. Once in 1970, she laughed at me over an incident that occurred when I was 6. I could feel the heat rising in my body, until I just couldn't stand it any longer, and I blurted out, "Well, you should be very proud of yourself, laughing at a little six year-old child!" I was surprised at myself, wondering where those words were coming from, but even more surprised at my mother, who just stood there with a big question mark over her head. She didn't have a clue.

Some people just will not change, CANNOT change. I don't know if your mother is one of them, but if so, I would avoid the issues that cause you to be upset, because it is YOU who suffers as a result, not her. I would not mention that you are sick; I would make "nice nice" with her until it is time to leave.

Then I'd turn to my friend, Jack Daniels, and try to forget the entire experience.

Bevvy

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Re: Oy.... new
      #232919 - 12/20/05 03:10 PM
cailin

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Hi Mindy

That is really scary reading your post, I think we all dread going home a little bit sometimes but your case takes the biscuit. Have you ever had any professional advice on how to deal with your Mum? I would have no idea where to begin. Isn't that a version of Munchausen's syndrome where a parent uses their sick child to get attention?
Your Mom sounds really unwell to be putting both you and her through this. I hope you and Will are going to be OK with the Christmas visits etc.

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Re: Oy.... new
      #232920 - 12/20/05 03:10 PM
mindyj

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Hi Bev,
I'm sorry to hear how crappy things are with your mom. I know you have a great hubby - like I do - arn't they the best - so I'm sure he helps alot! One thing that I have in common with your predicament is that I don't think it would do any good to confront her. She would first of all deny to hell and back again that she would ever do anything that was meant to hurt me. The strange thing is - she's right - I believe she didn't MEAN to hurt me - but she did and does. This gets to where our situations are not the same, because I do believe my mom loves me deeply even though she reacts in these ways. I don't know how it all works in her head and frankly I may not want to! I don't know if it can ever change, and yes, it is probably best not to mention anything about being sick, we'll see though.

Thanks for your thoughts - I may take the advice with our friend Jack as well !

Min

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Re: Hoo, boy.... new
      #232922 - 12/20/05 03:16 PM
mindyj

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Hi Ginger,
My Dad has noticed it a few times but he doesn't deal well with my mom either - he used to get angry and yell at her and really be mean, but that didn't help. Now, he's kind of resigned himself that my mom has issues. The saving thing gets directed at him sometimes, but more at me and my sister. My sister has noticed it and we've talked about it a few times, but agree that mom would NEVER react well if we talked with her about it - she'd be heartbroken, deny everything and guilt us to kingdom come. My brother-in-law has noticed and he thinks my mom's plane nuts. I don't think I could ever talk with her directly about it though - she is clueless that she does this. In her mind, she is devoted, she is "saving" her children and her family again and again. I know that sounds strange, but that's the pattern I see. Maybe it would help to talk more with my sister about it. Should keep it in mind now that she has a little one too, who is often in my mother's care...
Thanks Ginger.
Min

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Re: Hoo, boy.... new
      #232924 - 12/20/05 03:35 PM
Snow for Sarala

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Min,

I'm so sorry! *hugs*

I would look up the Myers-Briggs personality classification system and try to check out a book at the library based on this (you can also look up Enneagram). Your mother sounds like a very unhealthy Two. This might help you to understand her better and it might give you ideas on how to respond to her.

In case you don't have time to get to the library be/ now and then e-mail me if you like and I can try summarize some stuff for ya.

I want you to know you are not alone. I want you to know the way your mom behaves is wrong. I agree with Bev...confrontation will likely not be helpful. (I know it isn't in my fam!)

The only thing you can do, imo (and from what my therapist has told me when dealing with my fam) is that we have to be firm and set limits. SOOO hard!

Ginger gave you a great idea...talking more to your sister about it. That sounds excellent!

*hugs* *hugs* *hugs*

I'm sorry you have to deal with this...esp. on the holidays!! keep us posted...and my e-box is always open *more hugs*

Love,

Ruch

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Re: Oy.... new
      #232984 - 12/20/05 09:00 PM
mindyj

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Hi Sinead.
The last time I was seeing a therapist regularly (about four years ago) I was dealing more with issues of my own that stem to certain teenage experiences and such. We did talk some about my family and I remember the therapist saying that I needed to let my mom know when things she said/did hurt me since it didn't seem that she realized it on her own. Well, every time I try to say something about to my mom about anything that she could have possibly done that wasn't completely conducive to her devotion to her family, I receive the guilt trip of a lifetime, so I decided that advice wasn't very productive. Now that I have more insight into the whole problem, it certainly might be a good idea to talk to a therapist about all of it. I've thought about talking to my sister-in-law who's a psychologist, but I don't know if bringing her into the situation would be such a good idea...
On the munchausen's thing, I did look into that a couple weeks ago, and while my mom has some of the characteristics at times, she doesn't fit the whole profile for the disorder. Munchausen Byproxy patients seek attention from the doctors. My mother tends to keep me away from doctors since she wants to be the one that everyone sees as doing everything for her sick daughter. It's also not just a physical thing. Since I have crohns and I really am sick, that "trouble" or "problem" is always present. At other times in my life there have been other problems she's latched onto that arn't physical in nature, but she still is fulfilled by the fact that I have them and then she can try to save me from them. This includes the crappy relationships I've been in at times or problems of overcommittment with work/school. For a long time she was really fixated with my sister's marital problems and I know she made my sister's divorce a much more painful process than it should have been.
But anyways, Will has helped tons at keeping me sane through all of it, so I'm sure he'll also be a stablizing presence during Christmas.
By the way - I remember you posting about issues with your dad awhile back. Things got better for awhile didn't they? Is it still working out for you and all your siblings and your mom? Hope all is well with your family over Christmas too, Sinead!
Min

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Re: Hoo, boy.... new
      #232985 - 12/20/05 09:05 PM
mindyj

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Hi Ruchie,
Thanks for your encouragement. I've looked before at my formulation for myers brigs - I don't remember what it came out to though. Will and I both took the test before we got married. We also did one that was supposed to place people in how they relate to eachother. Will and I came out as "companions" and I thought that was wonderful! I've never thought about where my mom would fit with either one of these tests, but it may be a good tool to help understand it all. I'll try to look into it.
Thanks for the idea. I know Hannakah (sp?) is not as big a holiday for Jews as Christmas is for Christians, but I hope you have a lovely holiday coming up here as well!
Min

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geeze... new
      #232986 - 12/20/05 09:30 PM
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i'll tell you my mom is a "maryter" as well, but she is in the constant poor me frame, but she loves when mike and i have our proboems, so she can swoop me up and fix it, my mom has been there, but she's put me so much in harm's way as well, it makes me sick.

reading your email, made me almost cry (i'm also emotional becuase i am pregnant...) but i can see how that would be angering. it's a sick pleasure people get in saving someone, and controling it. i've been battling my own demons as well, and i need to post something after christmas, just becuase i don't want to re-kindle any pain anyone else has endured in their lives...it'll make more sense later...

i'm actually not planing anything with my mom this year, mainly for all the stuff she tries to stir up...she's actually triggered alot of stuff between mike and i...which is pretty messed up. and she does try to brainwash me alot...which i have learned she does now...i didn't realize it in the past (mike and my relationship isn't perfect, but we are doing better, and going back to the us we were..we hit a bump, but i've seen she stirred alot of crap up)

anyway...i personally if she brought anything up about how sick i would have gotten, would say "well if you'd taken me to the hospital, i wouldn't have gotten so bad, i have serious problems now becuase of it" or something on that nature, of course i can be less tackful than some, but i feel i'd have to be upfront, i've been with my mom, becuase she put me in harms way, and i've told her i'm mad at her becuase of it. we aren't perfect, i know that...but parent's jobs are to protect their children. i said in an earlier post she allowed her petifile dad live with us (which is my issue for later...becuase it's pretty deep, and mike's been helping me alot with it)

anyway, i honestly think it's not fair that you have to go through something like this, when it's the holidays, it's about being happy...but thats my thought, but if she does bring it up, i'd pull her aside and tell her you want to tlak to her about it after the holidays, say it embarasses you or something, so she wont do it...
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thanks my two cents, i hope it helps...

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Re: long post about family issues... new
      #233012 - 12/21/05 06:51 AM
khyricat

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*HUG* Mindy- your mother is sick.. this sounds like a classic form of a mental illness... I am sorry to say that but it does.. I am impressed that you are in as good shape as you are for having dealt with her... but if its that bad you may find it easier to follow in Bev's footsteps and walk away.. She needs help and not the type you or your sister can give her, but real professional help, and it sounds like your father is enabling her to continue living this way.


*HUG* Mom has some issues but in comparison they are much more minor... She has Crohns and tries to make me live the way she does. she thinks low carb is healthier (she has some issues with wheat setting her off, so finds low carb easy to avoid it). She also insists that low lactose should be fine, not no dairy... so I fianlly told her I was allergic to dairy- then she freaked out when I touched a bowl that had dairy in it!


Good luck! personally I find holidays much calmer when we don't spend them with my family and the insanity of mom screaming if things aren't exactly her way... so we do holidays with our friends and his family (who doesn't do them on the holidays themselves anyway)


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Hang in there Mindy... -nt- new
      #233019 - 12/21/05 07:02 AM
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      #233021 - 12/21/05 07:12 AM
cailin

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Wow, Min, seems like you have taken lots of progressive steps to sort this out, it's such a difficult one.

My Mom is the opposite, she practically sets up disastrous situations for herself, more by omissions than acts, so that we (my sister and I) will swoop in and save the day.
It sounds like your Mom she is defining herself based on being Mindy's Mom etc as opposed to living her own life and finding who she is herself.

I have an aunt who acts in a similar way with my Grandmother, always being very good to her, in a very public way, as if to just have people say how good she is to her mother, but really we think that is the reason she is doing it.

It sounds like your Mother does mean well, and that she has a lot of love to give, but that she has a need to be needed. There are so many organisations and charities that would really benefit from her energy and help but she is using it to upset those closest to her rather than help.

Thanks for mentioning my family issues, we had a rough June and July but eventually Dad saw sense and stopped drinking, he didn't go to therapy though. This lasted until a four day binge in October (while we were on honeymoon) and he has been back on his medication and off drink since (as far as we can tell) Mam is always on edge, looking for signs that he is going to drink again etc which drives us all crazy. She is pretty stressed at the moment as she is working very hard and my sister and I are organising Christmas in her place, with all the gifts etc being bought by us and Mam promising to pay us and thanking us.

You're lucky to have Will, in the same way I am lucky to have Padhraig. It's great to have someone strong to stand beside you and support you. Hope you are doing OK, Christmas can be such a hard time, I am sort of dreading it this year, our first married Christmas, which is pretty sad but I'm sure it'll work out fine, it normally does.



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Re: Hoo, boy.... new
      #233031 - 12/21/05 07:54 AM
Snow for Sarala

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Hi Min! :-)

Thanks for the happy Chanukah *hugs*

That is so neat that you did Meyers-Brigg before you got married!!

My husbands study partner in Jewish Seminary (Yeshiva its called) gave him this great book on the Enneagram. He had no IDEA how much it would help me understand my and a self and my fam better. I truly has helped me to better communicate with them (well that in conjuction with therapy and a lot of hard work ), and I hope it helps you as well.

I really hope this visit goes well for you...let us know *hugs*

With love,

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Cailin new
      #233032 - 12/21/05 07:59 AM
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Mam is always on edge, looking for signs that he is going to drink again etc which drives us all crazy.




I'm sorry if I'm butting in, but if there's one thing I know, it's parents who drink.

If there are Al-Anon groups in Ireland, they can really, really help your mother and the rest of the family, too, regardless of whether your father is still drinking or not. Basically, they teach the families of alcoholics to detach from the alcoholic, not coldly or meanly, but in the sense of allowing him to make live his own life and make his own mistakes, while you all do the same. That way no one else in the family is making herself crazy watching and worrying over the alcoholic.

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Re: long post about family issues... new
      #233036 - 12/21/05 08:13 AM
Sand

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I'd just like to second or third the idea of therapy to help sort things out. If you're recalling all the episodes where your mother mistreated your illnesses, perhaps it means you're ready to sort some of this out further. A therapist can provide a safe place to do that. (You sound amazingly calm about all of this, but I'd be absolutely furious.)

More immediately, a good therapist can coach you on ways to set limits, as another poster put it, even through something as simple as saying, "I'm sorry, Mother, I just don't feel comfortable discussing my health with you." and encouraging you to "stay on message" even when your mother tries to make you feel guilty. (If I can inject a little outrage here: in my opinion, there is no sane universe in existence where your mother should be able to make you feel the teeniest, tiniest bit guilty. Quite the opposite, in fact.)

And I do think you should discuss this with your sister, especially if your sister's child is now spending a lot of time with your mother and even more so if your sister may not be aware of how badly your mother mistreated your illnesses. It's possible your mother will repeat the same pattern with her grandchildren.

I'm so sorry for what you've suffered and for what you're still suffering both physically and emotionally. I hope the holidays go smoothly for you.

Take care.

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Yeah, What Sand Said new
      #233047 - 12/21/05 09:03 AM
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And I do think you should discuss this with your sister, especially if your sister's child is now spending a lot of time with your mother and even more so if your sister may not be aware of how badly your mother mistreated your illnesses. It's possible your mother will repeat the same pattern with her grandchildren.





BINGO. If I had a daughter, there's NO WAY I'd let my mother anywhere near her! YIKES!

Good point Sand, very good.....


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Yup new
      #233066 - 12/21/05 09:49 AM
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Min, you're a real survivor. You so don't deserve a controling, manipulative mother like this. I have one too, who always thinks she knows better than the professionals. At 6 she let my pneumonia go undiagnosed for so long that when my dod finally brought me to the doctor I had to be rushed into the hospital and I missed a month of school due to complications; she never let my friends see me when I was bedridden for 2 years after a 5 month long hospitalization (I had to find out years later that my friends even visited me in the first place-- I had to tough it out alone because she turned them away at the door and never said anything); She'd sneak forbidden food into my meals to "test" the doctors' diagnosis; and she lives from crisis to crisis, trying to fix everything while she's really incompetant and too ignorant to help. Often she compounds my problems by manipulation and false offers of help. I understand kinda where you're coming from.

The only way I've found to manage the effects of her tendencies is to distance myself from her and if it's necessary to talk about myself I fabricate problems that she can "fix." That way I distance myself from the truth and therby manipulate her in return. Healthy? Maybe not. But it works.

Oh, and I NEVER eat anything I haven't prepared myself. I went 3 days in France without eating (so she thought) because I was sneeking safe food in my room (Thanks to Natalie1985 for the crispy bars!).

The sucky part is when i think she's changed, even a little. I have to remind myself of all the things I need to watch out for. It's easier that I have my brother to talk to about this. He's never been sick, but she's tried to have her fingers in all of his pies since he was a kid too. Maybe laughing at her in the open with the support of the other people in her life who have been manipulated will help-- It's a cathartic activity for my bro and me.

Screwed up situation, Mindy. Maybe you've already written her off in your mind, but the rest of it is slowly catching up. Get yourself a "safe place" to go to while you're up in PA, somewhere you can hide out to get de-stressed. Good luck to you!!!!

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Re: long post about family issues... new
      #233086 - 12/21/05 11:04 AM
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I'm sorry you are having to deal with this. I really have no advice as I've never experienced anything like this before. Its obvious your mom needs help but it doesn't sound like she thinks she has a problem so its unlikely she will get that help. I hope you get through the holidays and manage to have at least a little fun. Hugs!

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Re: Yeah, What Sand Said new
      #233104 - 12/21/05 11:53 AM
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Yeah, what Sand said. Time to take a stand. Tell your mother that your "illness" are fine and that you don't need her help. Furthermore, it's no longer her business. Be like a broken record if you have to. I know you don't want to hurt her, but really, it's time for some tough love. Maybe she'll get some help if she doesn't have anyone to fix but herself. And for God's sakes take Nelly's idea of taking in a safe stash of food. Do not eat anything suspicious - be VERY careful.
It sounds like your Mother has serious issues. I think at this point your only option is to distance yourself from her. She obviously isn't going to change. For your personal health and safety, not to mention peace of mind.
Good luck. Is there any way you can keep the visit as short as possible???

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Sand new
      #233168 - 12/21/05 04:18 PM
cailin

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Thanks Sand, we have looked into family therapy etc and even did our own "intervention" in June, which was very tough as it involved the whole family right down to my 11 year old brother. I have gone to therapy myself and am able to detach from my Dad's drinking, my mother refuses therapy or Al Anon etc and thinks that once he stops drinking that it will be fine, but spends all her time watching him then, which means that she drives us all CRAZY with her running commentary.

We thought that we had made great progress with her in getting her to come to meet the addiction counsellor but it really meant that she felt that she was right in everything she had done as she didn't follow up. It's difficult in that he tends to flare up against whoever is in his vicinity when he is drinking which usually means my Mum, my 14 year old sister and 11 year old brother, the rest of us are away from home now.

I have my own husband now (since September) and we have one another, our little family to think of too, and I am determined to put us first

Thanks for your concern, you'll see from a search that I have posted a lot about this before and that you're not butting in at all.





Anyway, thanks for your concern

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Re: Yup new
      #233226 - 12/21/05 09:49 PM
mindyj

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Hi Nelly,
From one survivor to another, thanks for the advice. Our mothers sound sadly similar! - Except that mine would not stop people from seeing me since she always has to show off how devoted she is and how she's taking care of me, of course. There have been a few times that I've "given" my mom "problems" that she can "fix" as you said. Sometimes I feel its helpful, sometimes not so much. The safe place in Pennsylvania would be my sister's house. I don't know how she handles it living so close to my mom - I could NEVER do it. The distance between us keeps me sane. But one thing that I'm glad for with her up there is that I can spend time at her house instead of my mom's if I want to. It does help. Hope things are good for you and BF this Christmas!
Min

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Re: long post about family issues... new
      #233228 - 12/21/05 09:54 PM
mindyj

Reged: 05/14/04
Posts: 494
Loc: Northern Virginia

Hi Sand,
I'm glad it looks like I "sound calm" cause I havn't been in my rants with my husband. He's been my therapist thus far and a damn good one...but yeah, a professional probably would not be a bad idea. I'll see how the visit goes in general and look into it all when I get back.
We will only be in PA for two and a half days and lots of other family will be around for most of that time. That should help.
I'll check in with everyone once I return also and let you all know how things go...
Thanks,
Min

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      #233247 - 12/22/05 07:02 AM
Sand

Reged: 12/13/04
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Loc: West Orange, NJ (IBS-D)

I'm sorry, cailin, I leapt before I looked. Alcoholism is a hot-button topic for me, so I didn't stop to think that of course you must have posted about this before. Duh!

I've always thought it must take incredible courage to do an intervention. Even if the intervention didn't have a perfect outcome, I imagine it must have been a great relief for everyone in the family - and especially your younger siblings still at home - to get the subject out in the open. For me there was nothing like realizing I wasn't actually crazy, there really was something wrong with this picture.

I know what you mean about your mother driving everyone crazy. Sometimes I think it's harder to detach from the co-dependent than from the alcoholic. It's almost like a virus - one person in the family drinks, someone else in the family makes herself crazy worrying about him, and then other people in the family, who can actually manage to cope sanely with the drinking, make themselves crazy worrying about the person who's making herself crazy over the drinker. Weird, sad, scary stuff.

I'm glad you've found peace and balance around the situation and are creating your own happy, healthy family. I hope the holidays go well for you and yours.

Take care.

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Re: Yup new
      #233256 - 12/22/05 07:35 AM
Nelly

Reged: 08/06/04
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It's so funny that you and I came up with the same scenario for dealing with mother! LOL!

I'll definitely be thinking about you when my bro and I will be dealing with our situation! I agree I'd never be able to live so close to my maternal parent. I'm glad you can hide out with your sis.

I have to visit mine today to pick up a package I've gotten from England. Odds are it'll be open already cause that's what my mom does with all my mail. She also goes through my trash. She tried to do both of those examples at my apartment too when she came over for lunch recently... don't get me started! :crazy

~nelly~

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