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Has anyone ever had the nausea go away?
      #370498 - 10/21/13 10:58 AM
CynthiaS

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Hi,
I am really depressed. I cannot get the nausea and tiredness to go away.
Some days it goes away but mostly it doesn't. I have the D managed but it seems like I am so dysfunctional because of the nausea. I wake up from 4:30 in the morning every hour and have to eat. By the time I am ready to get up at 7am I am already nauseas and completely exhausted.
I just read a thread where all kinds of people have this nausea and cannot get rid of it and I got really scared.
I am getting all kinds of tests done with my doctor but I am concerned if it can't be cured I am going to spend all of this money on something there is no cure for.
I would really like to hear from someone who has managed the nauesa and I apologize for being such a crybaby.
Cheerio
CynthiaS


IBS-D,Gas,gluten allergy and flour sensitive. So far the only grain I am able to eat is rice.

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Re: Has anyone ever had the nausea go away? new
      #370500 - 10/21/13 11:50 AM
Syl

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Yes - with FODMAP approach I rarely experience nausea any more.

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The FODMAP aproach seems really opossed to Heather's books new
      #370502 - 10/21/13 02:19 PM
CynthiaS

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Hi Syl,
I find The FODMAP approach seems really opposed to Heather's books.

I mean no disrespect and would really like to understand what is correct.

The thing that attracted me to Heather's books and system was it's flexibility.

Trying to figure out how to manage this illness I tried different diets. I become very ill from losing over 25 pounds in 2 months from being told to eliminate so many foods from my diet and I have become somewhat phobic. Everyone seems to have a different theory on what works and what doesn't. It is really important for me to understand what restores harmony and balance to the body.

When I found Heather's site and books through a friend who has healed his body with Heather's program I was thrilled to find something that seemed sensible and livable. Heather's books with all of her wonderful recipes for breads, cakes, fruit topped non dairy yogurts and wonderful bean soups seems to me to be a really common sense and healthy diet. For sure a diet to strive for.

It seems to me that The FODMAP approach denies almost all of those foods. They say no baked goods, almost no beans and major restrictions on fruits and lots of vegetables. Even their theory on fiber differs.

Has something changed since Heather's books were released and these foods are no longer safe?

To restore one's sanity, it seems to me that the IBS condition is managed by SAFE foods. I would really like to know why the FODMAP program makes so many of the foods in Heather's books unsafe or if it is simply a different system.

Again, I mean no disrespect but am simply seeking clarity as to what is safe and am confused with trying to manage this condition.
Cheerio
CynthiaS

IBS-D,Gas,gluten allergy and flour sensitive. So far the only grain I am
able to eat is rice.



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Re: The FODMAP aproach seems really opossed to Heather's books new
      #370503 - 10/21/13 04:12 PM
Syl

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Many things in Heather's diet agree with the FODMAP approach. For example, she recommends avoiding foods containing high fructose corn syrup, dried fruit and concentrated apple/pear juices. Excess fructose is one of the five FODMAP groups. She also recommends avoiding dairy particularly if you are lactose intolerant. Lactose is another one of the five FODMAP groups. BTW- these two intolerance can be tested by a breath test as well as using dietary an elimination.

If you check her some of her latest write-ups for example Are Artificial Sweeteners IBS Trigger Foods? Yes! you will notice she mentions FODMAPs in 3rd from last bullet point. And if you check out my exchange with her a few weeks ago you will note that FODMAPs are on her agenda for when she updates her book.

I believe you may have misinterpreted the FODMAP dietary approach. It does not consist of a list of things you can and cannot eat. It does group problematic foods into five groups by well defined characteristics. It has been clinically tested on large numbers of functional GI suffers which includes individuals with IBS. All trials to date show 70-80% of people experience an improvement in symptoms. It is relatively new approach developed by a dietitian and GI doctor in Australia and the first clinical results were published about 3 years ago (see second link in my signature). Since then many clinical trials have been carried out throughout the world showing similar beneficial results. There is are a couple of write-ups in Heather's research library - here is one example. The results have some impressive that prestigious universities like King's College London are putting on courses for healthcare professionals.

Generally speaking, the FODMAP approach is an elimination/re-introduction approach to identifying FODMAP triggers. The objective is to help you tailor make a dietary approach that suits the characteristics of your GI disorder. It removes foods from FODMAP groups for 4-8 weeks and then re-introduces foods from one groups at time. This way you learn which food groups you can handle a lot of, which you can handle a little or moderate amount and which you cannot tolerate at all.

One difficulty with the FODMAP information is that some low FODMAP fruits and veggies from Australia are high or moderate level FODMAPs in North American fruits and veggies. Partly because the varieties and growing conditions differ. Hopefully this will clear up soon as there is a lot of lab analysis on common foods for the FODMAP levels in progress.

The unfortunate thing I find is the most advocated of the FODMAP approach don't cover the basics of common GI triggers as well as Heather does. I look forward to her next book which I hope will bring her usual balanced approach to managing IBS symptoms including updated information on FODMAPs.

I hope this helps clarify thing a bit for you.

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Thanks new
      #370504 - 10/21/13 05:24 PM
CynthiaS

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Hi Syl,
Thanks so much for the informative info. I really appreciate it. I did read all of the reports. Quite impressive. Do they have other foods listed besides the ones there. It would be good to know the properties of other ones.
I'm really glad you encouraged me to explore their research. it is an impressive body of work.
Have a great evening.
Cheerio
CynthiaS

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Re: Thanks new
      #370505 - 10/21/13 05:50 PM
Syl

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Here are links to FDMAP cheat sheets

http://www.gesa.org.au/files/editor_upload/File/Consumer%20Brochures/A4_Low_FODMAP_Diet.pdf

http://www.cdhf.ca/bank/document_en/32-fodmaps.pdf#zoom=100

Three links to books on the FODMAP approach for managing IBS written by dietitians. The first one was written by Dr. Sue Shepherd one of the designers of the FODMAP approach

http://shepherdworks.com.au/shop/low-fodmap-recipes

http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Idiots-Guide-Eating-Well/dp/1615640290/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265745232&sr=1-2

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007R7SPYM/ref=as_li_tf_til?tag=i07be-20&camp=14573&creative=327641&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=B007R7SPYM&adid=1B25DJW7WFXHKE7397DF&&ref-refURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibsfree.net%2Fibsfree_at_last%2F

And a link to a phone app on the FODMAP approached developed by the Australian research group that developed the dietary approach

http://med.monash.edu.au/news/2012/fodmap-app.html

I check out Kate Scarlata's web site and blog and Patsy Catso's blog from time to time. They seem to stay in touch with the latest information from the Australian group and update some the information to suit North American foods.


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Evidence-based Dietary Management of Functional GI Symptoms: The FODMAP Approach
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The Role of Food & Dietary Intervention in IBS

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Great stuff Syl new
      #370507 - 10/22/13 05:28 AM
CynthiaS

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Hi Syl,
Thanks for the links. I appreciate them.
Really interesting info. I am definitely continuing my research on this.
I really want to eliminate this nausea from my life.
Cheerio
CynthiaS


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Looking forward to Heather's book on Fodmaps new
      #370508 - 10/22/13 07:57 AM
CynthiaS

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Hi Syl,
I am looking forward to Heather's book including Fodmaps.
She is such a good writer and really knows how to simplify and explain things clearly. It will be a splendid benefit to read how she presents it.
Cheerio
CynthiaS

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Re: Has anyone ever had the nausea go away? new
      #370510 - 10/22/13 09:34 AM
AmbeeJ

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I can second that the FODMAP works well for me too. Note that I also have ulcerative colitis and it works well for this condition in preventing the nausea and pain

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Re: Has anyone ever had the nausea go away? new
      #370511 - 10/22/13 01:17 PM
CynthiaS

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Hi AmbeeJ,
Thanks so much for the info. I am so glad you got rid of the nausea. It gives me hope.
Cheerio
CynthiaS

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