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a question about oats
      #366606 - 12/28/11 08:56 AM
Dizzy

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hi everyone, i'd very much like to add some oatmeal to my diet because of the health benefeits, however my tum is very sensative, i was wondering if i took old fashioned oats and put them in a blender intill they became a fine powder like flour would they retain the ratio of 1.5 IF to 1.5 sf or would this change them to something else? i want to add this flour to bread and baked goods to make them healthier.


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Re: a question about oats new
      #366607 - 12/28/11 10:19 AM
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Presumably you mean old fashion oatmeal not oats as oats can contain the bran. Grinding oatmeal does not change the amount fiber its contains.

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      #366608 - 12/28/11 10:37 AM
Dizzy

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hi Syl, thanks so much, yep just old fashioned quaker oats, i'm looking forward to trying this experiment, i'm hoping that as they will be more broken down it might be easier to digest

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Re: a question about oats new
      #366609 - 12/28/11 11:42 AM
nutritionlover

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I know not everyone here does well with oats, but my stomach is super sensitive like yours and I do well with them. I think it must be an individual thing, but oatmeal seems to be one of the few foods I always do well with. If you want to eat actual oatmeal, just make sure it's cooked really well (aka the oats aren't chewy). If you want to make oat flour, just make sure it's really well ground. You can also buy oat flour, although it depends on where you shop if they carry it. I do a lot of cooking with oat flour because I don't eat much wheat. My only recommendation is to not use oat flour alone in a bread, because it will be very heavy. It's good alone in cookies, but in breads it's best in a 50:50 ratio with All Purpose flour or a lighter gluten free flour like rice.

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Re: a question about oats new
      #366875 - 02/13/12 12:22 PM
rebeccaneal

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It sounds like you have similar symptoms to me ... are you using hypnotherapy CDs or going to a therapist? I'd be interested to know whether you find it helps - I am not sure whether to order the CDs recommended on this website as the nearest hynotherapy clinic that does gut-focussed stuff is rather a long way from where I live...

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      #366876 - 02/13/12 01:05 PM
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The hypnosis CDs were made by Micheal Mahony in Warrington. You can buy them in the UK from this web site. It may cost less due to shipping, etc. Also, as I recall if you go to Whorwell's clinic for hypnosis they provide CDs and the NHS pays for them I believe.

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Re: a question about oats new
      #366877 - 02/13/12 01:12 PM
Dizzy

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hi,
i've done the michael mahoney cd's twice through and i just started a gut directed hypno therapy with a local phycologist who is also helping with a food phobia, i have extremely high anxiety every time i vere off the soluble foods only diet and it's gotton worse, i am hoping the combo of cognitive behavior therapy to deal with phobia along with the gut directed hypno therapy will help me get to a better place

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Re: FYI new
      #366878 - 02/13/12 02:58 PM
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Oh! I have checked out the website for Peter Whorwell's clinic and thought it was only appointments that they did for hypnotherapy, CDs would be so much better for me in terms of time and travel costs. I did ring their office and left a message on their answer machine asking whether they had any resources that could be used from home but no response yet. I've also booked an appt with my GP to see if she will refer me for just a consult at least... I desperately want to get better than I am, today has been so tough with the pain being there all the time :-(

Update to this post - the NHS doesn't pay for anything hypnotherapy related at the moment and this clinic only gives CDs to people who have had a course of hypnotherapy sessions there already and have been trained to use them properly. The Michael Mahoney ones are available to anyone though so if I can't afford to go to Prof Whorwell's clinic I might give them a go instead!

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Re: a question about oats new
      #366882 - 02/14/12 08:15 AM
SandraHoutz

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I just made some steel cut oats the other day ... and found I loved them and my tummy didn't mind them. I hate that instant stuff in the packets ... it's not even close to real oatmeal anymore ickky stuff ... our local store even carries something bulk called Baby Flake oats, they are much smaller than the old fashioned flaked oat but not all crushed up I used Bob's Red Mill brand of the steel cut and just boiled the water added the oats and turned them off and left them on the stove till the am and they were perfectly cooked

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Re: FYI new
      #366888 - 02/15/12 07:09 PM
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I am in direct contact w Michael Mahoney as his patient support associate. His protocol has been accepted at St. Luke's GI Hospital in London after a year's trial with their severest IBS patients.

The IBS Audio Program CDs came about when patients with severe IBS could not travel to his practice. The entire program costs less than one single session of in-person therapy and has been helping most people with IBS effectively since 1998.

If you have any questions, I am happy to help.

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Re: FYI new
      #366898 - 02/16/12 02:46 PM
rebeccaneal

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I have read your post about your recovery using the CDs - very encouraging! I have a differnet kind of IBS to you though, mine is very much pain and bloating but since it is similar in that there is nothing detectably wrong I hope that it would also respond to this kind of treatment... it's worth a go anyway!

I'm going to see if I can get a referral to a clinic that does hypno but since I would have to self-fund I'll have to see how the costs add up - if it's not feasible then it would be good to know that Michael Mahoney's CDs might offer me a way of trying it out :-)

I don't suppose you know whether the type of IBS makes any difference to the likelihood of successful outcome? Also, I have never found that stress is a trigger, my symptms just seem to cycle round in the same pattern no matter what is going on in my life... I only mention this because I have read that hypno is good for stress-related IBS and hope that this doesn't mean it isn't good for IBS that doesn't seem to be aggravated by stress!!

Thanks for your replies :-)

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Re: FYI new
      #366899 - 02/16/12 03:58 PM
Marilyn

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http://www.helpforibs.com/shop/books/hypnoibs.asp

If you take a look at the above link, scroll down to the clinical trials charts, you will indeed see that pain and bloating are a part of the symptoms covered.

I speak or email with many IBS patients (over the past 12 years) and this program helps with all aspects of IBS.

Perhaps you feel you would benefit from personal sessions, so certainly go ahead and do that - you need to do what is best for you.

There are therapists in the UK that are trained in his protocol, as well as those trained in the other one -both are excellent protocols. The advantage to Michael's recorded CDs are cost, (way less than in person sessions) and no need to travel, expenses for travel, time, support provided. The advantage to in-person therapy is personal attention to your own particular needs - in some cases - if they are using a standardised protocol, they may or may not adapt the script to accommodate your particular situaion.

If you wish to tell me what part of the UK you are in, I can see if there are therapists using Mike's gut-specific protocol in your area. I do know there is a year waiting list at one hospital for these other sessions that you mentioned above, (not Mike's), so that may be the case in a clinic referral - depending upon the location.

Most people who do the CDs, do so as a last resort. If there are other factors going on in your medical or mental health, this might not be the way to go.

Also, it is advised that you do not do hypnotherapy at the same time as you do a cognitive therapy program, as the two methods are at odds with each other. This is one reason why progress may be delayed or hindered with some folks, as well as constantly reading and researching about IBS while doing the protocol. We have found most people have greatly reduced or eliminated their IBS over time if they adhere to these suggestions - and seek out the support given if needed.

There is no one therapy that works for everyone, and for some, this may not be their way forward - however, we have found that for the few folks that have not seen success, they have either given up early, not sought out the extra support from Michael (not from a support board), kept doing other cognitive treatments, or keep talking and reading about IBS even when feeling well. Most of the people who have succeeded in this process are those that have tried everything else (meds, diets, supplements, etc.) and nothing has worked - or worked to the degree needed, and this was the treatment that helped.

So might not be for you, only you will know what is best, but the program does work on all symptoms and combinations of IBS - we have had reports from people who are in the pubic eye, do not have anxiety or stress related IBS, and were helped greatly - so there is hope.

Hope this helped - all the best to you.

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