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Re: back to basics or continue? new
      #366206 - 10/05/11 11:14 AM
mavera

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I think it could be personal, if you're phrone to that kind of allergies.. But I guess it's a 'aternative medicin'-thought.

My mother's going to a electro-acupunturist/naturopath for about 20 years now and she seems to have all sort of allergies/intolerances that fluctuate. When she cannot eat a certain food, she starts eating other things as substitution. And if she's eating too much of something it turns out the next time..
She has symptoms like excema and dry coughs etc. According to the therapist it's mostly her immune system (and stress) that's causing it.
She finds his approach and her diet-regimens very helpfull, it's really helping her with her symptoms.

When I was younger, I also went to this therapist. I also got lots of restrictions (like milk, sugar, chocolate etc). But back then I never noticed any difference.


Now I'm writing this.. could it be that I have become sensitive/intolerant to any of the things I could eat before??

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meds: lansoprazol+macrogol
started EFI +FODMAPs 1/2011. 'Relapse' for 8 months. Now partly back on track again with the diet..


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Re: back to basics or continue? new
      #366210 - 10/05/11 06:31 PM
bclark

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you state you know our ancestors weren't plagued with allergies. and you know this because??? - did you live back then??

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Re: back to basics or continue? new
      #366215 - 10/05/11 11:26 PM
mavera

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But our ancestors had a totally different diet than we do ('normal'/IBS diet).
They also didn't have IBS

But I don't think you really have to be concerned about it, if you never had allergies before (or people in your family).

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meds: lansoprazol+macrogol
started EFI +FODMAPs 1/2011. 'Relapse' for 8 months. Now partly back on track again with the diet..


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Re: back to basics or continue? new
      #366216 - 10/06/11 05:05 AM
Syl

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You might find this book Allergy : The History of a Modern Malady by Professor Jackson of interest. He is a professor of the history of medicine and director for the Centre for Medical History at the University of Exeter

"Only a century ago, allergies as we know them didn't exist. Ailments such as hay fever, asthma, and food intolerance were considered rare and non-fatal diseases that affected only the upper classes of Western society. Yet, as Jackson reveals here, what began in the early 1900s as a scorned subfield of immunology research in Europe and America exploded into great medical, cultural, and political significance by the end of that century. Allergy traces how the allergy became the archetypal "disease of civilization," a fringe malady of the wealthy that became a disorder that bridged all socioeconomic boundaries and fueled anxieties over modernization. Jackson also examines the social impact of the allergy, as it required new therapeutic treatments and diagnostic procedures and brought in vast economic rewards."

The concept of an "allergy" wasn't introduced into medicine until 1906 by Clemens von Pirquet. The increase in allergies such as peanut allergy in kids over the past century likely has more to do with the aseptic living environments (i.e. clean living) than food rotation and variety.

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Re: back to basics or continue? new
      #366217 - 10/06/11 05:16 AM
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Syl has the facts, but IBS is not a modern disorder and it was certainly there even centuries ago and I am assuming before that too. Anyone saying how it's our stress related lifestyles today, I am more inclined to believe that it has something to do with change in the intestinal flora, me personally for instance used to be a lot more highly strung and had much more stress and agony plus anxiety in my life when I was younger yet I still had no IBS back then. Now I'm all cool and calmed down and my gut does not exactly observe this...

My mother is really neurotic yet has no digestive problems either..



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now: stable through EFI+FODMAP dieting (no lactose/no fructose/some fructans and some polyols)

before: IBS-D(pseudo-diarrhoea), bloating, often unbearable pain esp from too much fat: Apr 2007- Dec 2010


FODMAPs: http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/072710p30.shtml


[I've tried VSL#3 -> I could tolerate v good amounts of IF (even with less SF), it worked great (but overall I find it too expensive)]

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Re: back to basics or continue? new
      #366219 - 10/06/11 07:15 AM
Syl

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In fact, there is more and more evidence emerging in the research literature to suggest that for at least a sub-group of the IBS population the symptoms may be caused by changes in the colonic bacterial flora composition (e.g see references below).

References
Pimentel, M., & Chang, C. (2011). Inflammation and Microflora . Gastroenterology Clinics of North America, 40(1), 69

Campbell, A. K., Matthews, S. B., Vassel, N., Cox, C. D., Naseem, R., Chaichi, J., et al. (2010). Bacterial metabolic 'toxins': A new mechanism for lactose and food intolerance, and irritable bowel syndrome . Toxicology, 278(3), 268-276.

Salonen, A., de Vos, W. M., & Palva, A. (2010). Gastrointestinal microbiota in irritable bowel syndrome: present state and perspectives . Microbiology, 156(11), 3205-3215.

Gwee, K.-A. (2005). Irritable bowel syndrome in developing countries--a disorder of civilization or colonization? Neurogastroenterology And Motility: The Official Journal Of The European Gastrointestinal Motility Society, 17(3), 317-324.



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Re: back to basics or continue? new
      #366223 - 10/06/11 05:11 PM
bclark

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all a matter of opinion, professor or not.

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Re: back to basics or continue? new
      #366224 - 10/06/11 05:13 PM
bclark

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"facts" are different for every person. one person's truth is not another's. many claim to have the facts or know the truth. it is all a matter of opinion.

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Re: back to basics or continue? new
      #366234 - 10/09/11 03:11 AM
mavera

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I think there are a lot of different causes of 'IBS' or IBS-like symptoms in diffentent people.
I did extensive gut-flora testing and nothing strange was found. Also tried different probiotics, but it didn't gave me any relieve. Which doesn't mean it can't be of help for someone else. For me that's enough to 'know' that it's probably not MY cause.

This last relapse has a lot to do with stress, I'm pretty sure about it. Although it's the first time I'd really noticed stress to be such a big trigger. But I also had a very stressful time before my IBS started.
Off course not everybody gets IBS from being stressful or neurotic. It's a combination of factors.

Big problem is, I can not stop this stress I'm having now.
I really want a second child, but my previous pregnancy was hell (I had extreme nausea, got dehydrated etc). So I'm really scared, also of my IBS getting even worse after/during pregnancy. Will I be able to do it psychologically?
But I cannot choose not doing it, I cannot accept the fact that my daughter will never have a brother or sister.. Because I am physically capable of doing it.
So we chose to go for it, and since then my IBS has gotten much worse. I also cannot enter pregnancy like this..?!

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meds: lansoprazol+macrogol
started EFI +FODMAPs 1/2011. 'Relapse' for 8 months. Now partly back on track again with the diet..


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Re: back to basics or continue? new
      #366235 - 10/09/11 06:09 AM
Syl

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There is no question that stress can exacerbate IBS symptoms. While stress may be a facilitator there is no evidence that it is the cause of IBS.

Unfortunately, currently there are no tests to determine if the gut flora is abnormal causing IBS. Up until recently researchers thought there were about 500 different bacteria in the colonic flora. Recent DNA tests show that there are many many more bacteria than they thought - perhaps as many as 1100 to 1200 different bacteria. At this point in time they have no idea which of the gut bacteria may be involved in IBS. In fact one of the speculations is that stress may alter the gut flora which changes the mucosal barrier allowing bacterial byproducts to past the barrier increasing visceral hypersensitivity causing IBS symptoms. In fact this has been shown to be the case in some animal models. Such findings are one of the reasons they call IBS a 'stress sensitive disorder'.

The partial reduction in symptoms in some people with IBS from taking certain probiotics or getting temporary relief when taking some kinds of antibiotics are some of the clues that lead to the suspicion that IBS may be caused by a problem in the gut flora. It will likely be a few more years before these findings lead to any clinically useful tools.

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