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Inulin brands
      #362555 - 12/18/10 05:44 AM
Followmyheart

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Hello everyone,

When I first started taking a supplement a month ago, I started with a 'no name' inulin, which I had no problems with at all. Then, I ran out a few days ago so I picked up some Benefiber...same thing right? WRONG!

I was up to 9 gms per day and yesterday with Benefiber I tried to do 3 and had severe gas pain and bloating all day!

Is that typical, or is there something in the processing of Benefiber that doesn't agree with me? Have you noticed sensitivity issues across brand names?

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Re: Inulin brands new
      #362556 - 12/18/10 07:00 AM
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Interesting. Usually people have problems with inulin and not Benefiber. In the US Benefiber contains wheat dextrin. However, in Canada it contains inulin. Where do you live?

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Re: Inulin brands new
      #362558 - 12/18/10 07:24 AM
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Hi Syl,

Thanks for your reply!

Actually I'm in Canada as well, so my Benefiber is inulin. That's why I'm so puzzled...they are both supposed to be the same thing! It's not a coincidence either...I've tried it for 3 days using less and less. Every time the Benefiber gives me incredible gas pain!

On my way to the store shortly to pick up some more cheap no name! Have you heard of people having sensitivities across brand names?

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Re: Inulin brands new
      #362562 - 12/18/10 10:03 AM
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What is the no name brand of the original inulin SF you were taking?

Inulin is the name for a group of carbohydrates. There are different kinds of inulin that come from different plants. It is possible that some inulins ferment faster than others.


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Re: Inulin brands new
      #362574 - 12/18/10 03:21 PM
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Isn't it true thought that whereas wheat dextrin is supposed to give you less gas than psyllium, it is still SF and SF in itself does cause distention because that's in its nature? Someone once compared SF to a sponge, IF to a broom. For us IF is more like an electric shock of course, but SF expands, doesn't it and ferments in the colon instead of moving through it unaltered?

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Re: Inulin brands new
      #362579 - 12/19/10 03:57 AM
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The analogy you used sounds rather strange and parts are in error.

Psyllium is 2/3 SF and 1.3 IF. Its isn't a pure SF.

IF absorbs water, swells and expands. SF dissolves in water to make a gel; it doesn't swell.

By definition all fiber (SF, IF and functional fiber) are indigestible. We don't make the enzymes to break fiber down into constituent parts that our bodies can absorb. Up to 15%-20% of IF is partially fermented in the colon by bacteria. On the other hand some SFs are partially fermentable while others are completely fermented. And some SFs ferment rapidly and others slowly.

Distention is cause by bloating which can be a result of gas from fermentation.

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EXACT brand vs Benefiber new
      #362580 - 12/19/10 04:15 AM
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Hooray! I took my exact brand from Superstore yesterday and feel good as new again.

No Benefiber for me!

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Re: Inulin brands new
      #362584 - 12/19/10 07:37 AM
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Wow, thanks for clearing all that up, so in effect psyllium is not a SF supplement all in all. Explains a lot actually.

It wasn't my analogy as I said, to be honest we talked about white rice before how a lot of people say that it is bloating for them, either healthy or IBS people. Some site said that SF will make gas whatever (I know you cautioned about relying on just any website.. so sorry if that is not true). Pre-IBS I used to eat a lot of wholewheat bread, for about a year. It got rid of the bloating, something that I'd had a lot beforehand. (this is still when I had no IBS) IF never ever made me bloated which is why I find Beano's recommendation that you take Beano with wholegrains a bit puzzling. When I used to eat wholegrains, they did feel like they were sweeping my bowels, and I never had gas when I ate grains high in IF.

So the fermentation's speed is what determines whether you have a lot of gas or not, ie rapid fermentation causes a lot of gas, slow does not, right?


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Re: Inulin brands new
      #362585 - 12/19/10 07:40 AM
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http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/13/4161.pdf

here is says that all SF except for hemicellulose result in rapid fermentation, ie cause a lot of gas...? so SF does overall cause gas, as is the normal way of things?

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Re: Inulin brands new
      #362587 - 12/19/10 08:36 AM
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I believe what is implied in the table is that pectins, guar, ispaghula ferment more rapidly compared to hemicellulose.

When the fermentation rates of the first three SF are compared a great deal of variability in the fermentation rate is found. For example, here is a table that compares the percent fermentation of three SF with time in hours.

Time Psyllium Gum Arabic Pectin
3 52.7 6.7 72.3
6 67.8 6.7 86.2
9 71.4 41.6 93.3
12 77.3 50.5 95.3
18 81.8 91.7 94.7
24 83.4 96.0 95.7
36 86.1 96.8 96.5
48 86.9 97.1 96.8
72 89.5 98.8 97.3

As you can see Psyllium and Pectin are fermented much quicker than Guar. (Apologies for the table format - it is difficult to do in this message board)

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Re: Inulin brands new
      #362588 - 12/19/10 08:40 AM
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Fermentation rate determines how fast gas is produced not how much is produce.

A SF may ferment slowly for many hours and produce the same total amount of gas produced by an SF that ferments more quickly.

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