Question About Protein+Shakes and IBS Irritation
#354704 - 01/20/10 08:36 AM
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I am a frustrated gym guy who is struggling, I need to add more protein and food to my diet.
Problem is, I am VERY concerned that the net result will be me just adding weight and feeling bloated.
I wanted to list below my proposed new diet, and specifically, if the amount of protein and Jay Robb Egg Protein can complicate my IBS symptoms (C and Bloating) or if this should NOT be a problem.
Thanks.
Breakfast
Oat Bran with applesauce
Shake (2 scoop Egg Protein Powder+Water+cup straw/blueberry)
Lunch
Turkey/Chicken sandwich
Pre-workout
Shake (1 scoop Egg Powder+1 scoop Jay Robb Yammit http://www.jayrobb.com/cat_yammit_1_5lb.asp+water)
Post-workout
Shake (2 scoop Egg Powder+1 scoop Yammit+cup water)
Dinner
Chicken/Turkey/Fish
Potatoe/Rice/Pasta
Spinach
Last Meal
Either leftover dinner
OR
1 can tuna
OR
Shake (1 scoop powder+1 scoop sorbet)
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Again my main concerns, IBS wise
1) Is having all of this protein (225-250 grams) for my weight (175) going to hurt IBS symptoms?
-I need 1.5 to grow mass muscle
2) Is having protein shakes with 1 and sometimes 2 scoops of protein going to be dense and thick and cause bloating/c...or should this not be an issue?
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Upping protein isn't that hard with egg whites, nut butters, nut snacks, lean meats. The protein powders are very heavy in the gut and have to be taken alone, not with food. When you get used to that you can try to eat with them.
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IBS-A for 20 years with terrible bloating and gas. On the diet since April 2004. Remember this from Heather's information pages:
"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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I think that much protein is too high. When people eat too much protein the body has to work harder to digest it and this can lead to a digestive breakdown, even in normal people.
Can you gradually up your protein?
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IBS-A for 20 years with terrible bloating and gas. On the diet since April 2004. Remember this from Heather's information pages:
"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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Upping protein isn't that hard with egg whites, nut butters, nut snacks, lean meats. The protein powders are very heavy in the gut and have to be taken alone, not with food. When you get used to that you can try to eat with them.
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I think that much protein is too high. When people eat too much protein the body has to work harder to digest it and this can lead to a digestive breakdown, even in normal people.
Can you gradually up your protein?
Well here is the thing.
I can't eat nuts or nut butter.
I pretty much am limited to lean meat or protein powder.
Now in trying to add muscle mass...I have been told I need 1.5 grams of protein per bodyweight pound.
This will be around 250 for me.
My question
1) Do you concurr that 1.5 is fine?
2) Do you think this is too much?
The other thing...I noticed today when I have taken my protein shakes:
AM (Breakfast):
-Shake(1 scoop Egg Powder+3/4 cup blueberries+1/2 cup water)
-Oat bran w/applesauce
PM (Snack):
-Shake(1 scoop Egg Powder+1 cup Cranberry Juice)
When I took the AM shake with the oat bran I felt VERY full if not bloated...even though this couldn't have been that big a calorie breakfast (700 cals tops...nothing outrageous).
Yet it felt VERY heavy and dense.
Same thing in the PM.
3) Just wondering if this is something my stomach will get used to or if you have had the same experience?
I mean...I need the protein (right?) so what do I do?
4) I guess my question is...how much protein do I need to grow muscle without compromising IBS symptoms?
-Once that is agreed....how can I do this? Are my shakes good and should I get used to them and stop feeling so full OR are the shakes too dense and what is a better recipe?
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As a former bodybuilder, I understand what you mean about the protein. I am 30 now, but used to lift and compete for about 6 years. I burned out, and now just lift to stay in shape.
Why don't you check with some bodybuilders in your gym? They are very knowledgeable on protein usage and building muscle. I don't know if you plan on competing or not, but they can offer you pretty good advice. I am fairly knowledgeable on ths subject, but being I am a woman, it would be better for you to check with a male lifter.
This is what worked for me. An amateur bodybuilder in my gym (male), saw potential and took me under his wing. I really did well, and I owe alot of it to his knowledge of the body and how to build muscle. Even being female, I was able to really build some muscle, get cut, and compete.
There are also personal trainers who may be able to answer some of your questions.
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First of all I want to make a statement: I'm not concerned about your physical appearance and no longer will take the time to advise on it. I will give advice on how to keep your symptoms under control- if you actually listen to what I say.
Of course you feel full and bloated after food and protein shake. That was the one point I have been making- protein powder is too heavy to eat with food. It has to be taken alone.
That amount of protein strikes me as too high but I am not an expert. On the other hand, I truly believe protein is often recommended in doses that are way too high. That is why I said before to gradually up your protein. Why not start with one dose of powder a day for a week? You would help yourself a lot by not wanting instant change.
ock young people! so rash. 
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IBS-A for 20 years with terrible bloating and gas. On the diet since April 2004. Remember this from Heather's information pages:
"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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As a former bodybuilder, I understand what you mean about the protein. I am 30 now, but used to lift and compete for about 6 years. I burned out, and now just lift to stay in shape.
Why don't you check with some bodybuilders in your gym? They are very knowledgeable on protein usage and building muscle. I don't know if you plan on competing or not, but they can offer you pretty good advice. I am fairly knowledgeable on ths subject, but being I am a woman, it would be better for you to check with a male lifter.
This is what worked for me. An amateur bodybuilder in my gym (male), saw potential and took me under his wing. I really did well, and I owe alot of it to his knowledge of the body and how to build muscle. Even being female, I was able to really build some muscle, get cut, and compete.
There are also personal trainers who may be able to answer some of your questions.
Just curious...what was your diet like and your protein intake?
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I don't have a gram count of my protein intake, but I can tell you I had protein at every meal, except leading up to a competition. I ate 6-8 times a day, small meals, and each meal was balanced with a protein, carb, and a bit of good fat. I was heavier on the protein during a building phase, which looking back now, I doubt it was very healthy for my body. But, I enjoyed what I was doing for that period of time.
My main sources of protein were egg whites, tuna, chicken/turkey, and I did grind up nuts/seeds and coat the chicken/turkey and bake them. I did the occasional protein drink, but preferred to get my protein from food. We judged my progress by how my body was looking at any given time, and adjusted the diet accordingly.
My diet was strict and hard, and I believe that is why I burned out eventually, not to mention the hard work. As I said, it all depends on your goals. I was lucky to have the owner of the gym on my side, who had a degree in nutrition, and had put many women into competition.
Good luck!
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