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How to fix the brain-gut connection?
      #354217 - 01/07/10 07:03 PM
mrae

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If its the brain-cut connection that is out of whack then how do you fix that? I have the hypno cds and they are ok but didn't do the trick for me maybe I should try them again. Anyone do anything else to help this issue?

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      #354218 - 01/07/10 07:12 PM
Windchimes

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I highly recommend reading Dr. Sarno's book 'The Divided Mind'. There is a wealth of information there, and your question will be answered.

Many of the things Dr. Sarno said were things I already knew, yet were stuck in my subconscious mind. Bringing these to the conscious mind and processing them made a world of difference in how I physically feel today.

You might be able to borrow a copy from your local library, or find a used one on Amazon.com that is reasonably priced. Give this reading material a go and see how you do!

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      #354226 - 01/08/10 04:59 AM
Syl

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You have asked the million dollar question. There are hundreds of GI docs and researchers trying to answer that question.

No one knows what in the brain-gut connection is disrupted. Is the disruption caused by inflammation, out of balance gut flora, dysregulated immune system, hormone system imbalance, and so on? There are dozens of things that can cause the brain-gut connection to malfunction. In all likelihood they may eventually find that there many different subtypes of IBS each with its own unique brain-gut malfunction. One thing that is known for certain is the malfunction in the brain-gut connection is not a psychosomatic problem as claimed by individuals like Dr. Sarno. You can read more about the difficulty with Sarno's notions in this posting .


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      #354239 - 01/08/10 09:50 AM
shawneric

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mrae

How long ago did you do the cd's and did you make it all the way through them?

Also soon I will post a expert presentation on HT and IBS, which they just had at the UNC.

However, read these first here on some of the information.This doesn't mean IBS is all in the head either, just that there is a dysregulation between the way the gut brain and the brain communicate with each other.

Gut Feelings: The Mind-Body Connection

http://www.ahealthyme.com/topic/mindbodygut;$sessionid$TJVAS2IAAETVTWCYSYZSFEQ

The Other Brain Also Deals With Many Woes

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/23/health/23gut.html?ex=1282449600&en=1e310e52565798bf&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

You might want to also look at this presentation

"September 1, 2009
Topic: "Psychological Approaches to IBS Symptom Management"
Presenter: Stephan Weinland, Ph.D.
Instructor of Medicine

http://uncfunctionalgi.net/ewe_archive.html

Also so you know.

Both the gut and the brain are operational to cause the symptoms.

So its mainly treating both, bottom up and top down.



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      #354240 - 01/08/10 09:55 AM
shawneric

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I just want to add one important aspect here and that is the role of serotonin in the gi tract and the brain gut connection, almost all if not all IBSers show dysregulation of serotonin signaling system. They have also found structual abnormalities of specific cells in PI IBSers and both PI IBS and IBS have been demonstrated to have altered gut brain to brain and then back dysregulation. The gut can upset the brain and the brain can upset the gut, that is part of the vicious cycle of IBS.



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      #354248 - 01/08/10 11:05 AM
Windchimes

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      #354249 - 01/08/10 11:18 AM
Syl

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The competition between you and Shawneric is rather obvious to many of us who understand the male ego.




If you would take the time to read the posts and understand them you would know that there is no competition between Shawneric and me. We post complementary information and as you pointed out in a previous post I tend to summarize a bit more.

As other have pointed out to you -- if you aren't interested in any of our posted the DON'T READ THEM!


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      #354250 - 01/08/10 11:28 AM
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Re: For Syl (and Shawneric) new
      #354252 - 01/08/10 11:39 AM
julieb123

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please stop all this i hate all this we are all friends and have same ibs we need each other for support

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Re: For Syl (and Shawneric) new
      #354256 - 01/08/10 11:52 AM
shawneric

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"However, there are no 'GURUS' who can fix IBS symptoms for others, and what works for one does not necessarily work for others."

There are hundreds of experts that research and treat IBS successfully around the world. Some are not getting the right treatments for IBS, because they don't understand it first of all or why someone would do some of the treatmsnts recommened for IBS.

Its also not "what works for one does not necessarily work for others" its what works for the majority of IBSers on what is already known about the cause/causes of IBS.

We "Encouragement to seek" accurate information on what IBS is and what treatments are avaliable from experts, not from people's personal beliefs. This helps all IBSers get an accuate diagnoses and the right treatments for it.

Which is the reason self diagnoses is the leading cause of misdiagnoses.

Because they don't understand yet the exact cause of IBS, doesn't mean the experts studying it, no absolutetly nothing about it. They know more then you do about IBS and functional disorders and there has been a huge amount of research done in the last ten years and they have learned a lot. Which is why we post from experts and NOT from our own personal beliefs of the cause/causes, because NONE of us do research. There is something called medical science. While you may believe its all corrupt, its NOT.

On clinical studies you must not understand peer reviews.

A lot of what you posted is your opinion.

Support and friendship also comes in sharing information on diagnosing IBS and what is already known about it and pointing out accurate and recognized expert IBS information and treatments for the best poissible outcomes for all IBSers and to find a cure or more effective treatments, not just pharmaceutical treatments either.

Again there is no competition between syl and I at all.

What is NOT helpful is calling IBS a "catch all diagnoses" its not and some of us are working hard to validate IBS as a real condition, NOT psychosomatic, but a real physical which has already been proven to be a distint entity. Not what the ordinary layman "Thinks causes IBS" but the actual 20 or more years of research on it in every field of medicine.

No one is lecturing, people were posting VERY inaccurate IBS information that IBS was a infectious disease and a "catch all diagnoses". It is NOT, there are specific symptoms and classifications to these functional disorders. These need to be recognized.

That you totally deny and know nothing about some extremely hard working scientists and organizations around the world, some of whom I am personally am friends with that are working extremely hard to figure out an extremely complex condition IBS. Its also not being recognized what they are trying to do, like validate IBS for people who are diabled with it as a VERY real condition is majorally important, as well as how its diagnosed to begin with and that it is, contrary to some people's beliefs who have not studied it a "catch all diagnoses for every gi symptoms. Again its not.

One of the most benefical things all IBSers have is accurate information on IBS, this gives you power over your condition and understanding of it and better ways to communicate with your doctor. The research doctors are honest they don't know the exact cause yet, but have found abnormalities that can be treated. The alternative doctors mainly use the IBS is a catch all diagnoses for every gi symptoms, that is incorrect.


It sounds like you don't like doctors or anything doctor do to help IBSers and research?

Windchimes, what is post infectious IBS?

What role does serotonin have in the gi tract?










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