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Candida overgrowth syndrome, DOES NOT EXIST!!!

There are real candida conditions, but not candida overgrowth syndrome.

20 some years ago, a Dr Crook-gotta love that name for him, came up with the idea. However it has NOT been found in ONE person. He never personally did research on it either it was an Idea he had, but wanted others to find it.

People think they have it, but some of the reasons for supposedy treating candida mainly diet, helps IBS regardless. Sugar with just creates more gas and low carb diet, which they use in IBS anyway.

People will argue about this toe and nail, but they won't be able to show you any research or that one person has it or actually been diagnosed by a REAL doctor or GI doctor with it.

The promotion of it, do to a misunderstanding about it all, is a real problem to IBS awareness and the real reasons for IBS symptoms. They blame everything on candida overgrowth syndrome.

Dr Fungus, is part of the NIH and NIDDK information.

Think about this, 20 or more years and its never been found once, meanwhile a ton of IBS research is ignored about IBS. IBS is diagnosed when they can't find the problem and is a specific condition to the large colon. No colonoscopy has ever seen candida ovvergrowth, nor miscroscopic investigations of the bowel. Candida is a normal bowel organisim and HELPS FIGHT INFECTIONS.

Candida is a multimillion dollar business though through alternative websites, books ect..

IBS is not caused by candida. There has been a lot of major IBS research done in the last ten years.

FYI

Why is there candida in the bowel in the first place in humans?

""Candida albicans, and other strains of Candida are yeast that normally inhabits our digestive system: the mouth, throat, intestines and genitourinary tract. Candida is a normal part of the bowel flora (the organisms that naturally live inside our intestines, and are not parasitic). It has many functions inside our digestive tract, one of them to recognize and destroy harmful bacteria. Without Candida albicans in our intestines we would be defenseless against many pathogen bacteria. Healthy person can have a millions of Candida albicans."

"About chronic candidiasis
An overgrowth in the gastrointestinal tract of the usually benign yeast (or fungus) Candida albicans has been suggested as the origin of a complex medical syndrome called chronic candidiasis, or yeast syndrome.1 2

Purported symptoms of chronic candidiasis are fatigue, allergies, immune system malfunction, depression, chemical sensitivities, and digestive disturbances.3 4 Conventional medical authorities do acknowledge the existence of a chronic Candida infection that affects the whole body and is sometimes called “chronic disseminated candidiasis.“5 However, this universally accepted disease is both uncommon, and decidedly more narrow in scope, than the so-called Yeast Syndrome�"a condition believed by some to be quite common, particularly in people with a history of long-term antibiotic use. The term “chronic candidiasis” as used in this article refers to the as yet unproven Yeast Syndrome."

Real Candidiasis which is a "Systemic Candidiasis are "systemic infections"

http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic76.htm

IBS is NOT an infectious disease.

I have talked to quite a few lab people who do colonoscopies about this and they have never seen "yeast syndrome" but have seen "disseminated candidiasis" in aids patients and cancer patients where the immune system was highly compormised.

Postgrad Med J. 1992 Jun;68(800):453-4. Related Articles, Links

Comment in:
Postgrad Med J. 1993 Jan;69(807):80.

The role of faecal Candida albicans in the pathogenesis of food-intolerant irritable bowel syndrome.

Middleton SJ, Coley A, Hunter JO.

Department of Gastroenterology, Addenbrooke's Hospital, Cambridge, UK.

Candida albicans was sought in stool samples from 38 patients with irritable bowel syndrome and 20 healthy controls. In only three patients with irritable bowel syndrome was C. albicans discovered and these patients had either recently received antibiotics or the stool sample had been delayed more than 24 hours in transit. C. albicans was isolated from none of the control stool samples. We conclude that C. albicans is not involved in the aetiology of the irritable bowel syndrome.
PMID: 1437926

This was from 1993 and there is really no major research per se on it since then.

"The Australasian Society of Clinical Immunology and Allergy has issued this paper on Allergy testing and treatments."

ASCIA Position Statement:
Unorthodox Techniques for the Diagnosis and Treatment of Allergy, Asthma and Immune Disorders
Dr Raymond J. Mullins on behalf of the Education Committee, ASCIA October 2004

"INAPPROPRIATE TESTING

Chronic Candidiasis
Use: Treatment of a variety of ailments including allergy, irritable bowel, food allergy and intolerance, autoimmunity, arthritis and psychological conditions.
Method: This approach is based on the concept that imbalance of gut flora results in overgrowth of Candida albicans within the gut. Release of fungal toxins results in a variety of symptoms including fatigue, arthritis, irritable bowel, food intolerance as well as psychological symptoms. These toxins weaken the immune system, predisposing to further symptoms from ingested foods and toxins. Treatment centres on dietary supplements, administration of antifungal drugs such as nystatin, and restriction of "Candida friendly" foods such as those containing sugars, yeast or molds.
Evidence: Candida is a normal gut organism, and immune responses (antibodies, cell mediated responses) to this organism are both expected and observed in healthy controls as well as those allegedly suffering from this condition. There is no evidence of overgrowth of Candida or altered immune responses to this organism in patients complaining of this syndrome. There is neither a scientific rationale nor published evidence that elimination of Candida with diets or anti-fungal therapy is useful for management."

http://www.allergy.org.au/pospapers/unorthodox.htm

A person can still get thrush or other issues, even though its ot connected to IBS.

For one remember IBS is a functional disorder the way things work, not an infection. Even though they have now found abnormalities in IBSers.

A lot of work has been done and is being done in regards to gut flora and bacteria and IBS.

No single pathogen has been found, in fact multiple ones have been found in Post Infectious IBS. But then those pathogens are resolved before someone develops "classic IBS."

Killing the normal candida in the gut could possibly open you up to more pathogens.

Unless a persons immune system is highly compromised such as aids or cancer conditions, then they can see candida overgrowth with the naked eye and even a colonoscopy.

Candida infection the medical community recognizes is really a blood stream infection when it gets to that point.

Invasive Candidiasis which if left unchecked can kill you.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo...invasive%20cand

The gi docs don't see it, the allergy docs don't see it and really importantly the fungus doctors don't see it.

PMartin

read this and click on the link for candida on this page on the left from fungus experts.

http://www.doctorfungus.org/

If only all the money spent on candida overgrowth syndrome by people supposedy suffering with it, which doesn't exist was spent on more real IBS research we might be able to find the cure/cures faster.

again its been rule out as a cause of IBS.

No real doctors looking for it have found it and even the fungus doctors say it doesn't exist.

over 20 year of trying to find it and they haven't found it at all in one person.

I am sorry if people feel differently and self diagnose or have an alternative doctor diagnose it, but its important to IBSers and REAL research and information.

Again because this is important. IBS is a functional disorder, NOT an infectious disease.

I have done a ton of work and research on this years ago and talked to many of the IBS exoperts as well as tech's that do colonoscopies and bowel investigations as well.

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