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Yes, so true. Milk is for calves, not humans. We are the only species that continues to drink milk after infancy, and cow's milk at that. Makes no sense to me.
Yes, you are correct...two different topics. Celiac is a disease, but can present with GI symptoms and can be mistaken for IBS. But, you can also have celiac along with IBS. Bummer, huh?
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Actually humans were vegetarians at first. Hunting came later. Personally I don't agree with the idea that wheat is less digestible because humans have only eaten it for 5000 years. That 5000 years is plenty of time to become accustomed to it. Wheat has been the main and sometimes only food source for entire civilizations! If you can't digest it fine- but don't blame history.
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Sorry, I disagree. We were hunters and gatherers first. We had occasional meat, when we could make the kill.
Wheat is an individual choice. And we have not had time to adapt. This is in the research. Why do you think there is so much wheat intolerance/celiac disease?
I am not blaming history. I am simply stating how wheat came to be an issue.
You need to get your facts straight.
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Domesticated wheat appeared about 9800 BC. Wild wheat and its other grass relatives have been eaten by human for more than 23,000 years and likely throughout the course of human evolution. Celiac disease is a genetic disorder that could have emerged from a random mutation and not caused by the consumption of wheat or other gluten containing grains.
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Personally I don't agree with the idea that wheat is less digestible because humans have only eaten it for 5000 years. That 5000 years is plenty of time to become accustomed to it. Wheat has been the main and sometimes only food source for entire civilizations!
Under this theory, it'd imply that we've had plenty of time to get accustomed to dairy since we've been eating it for longer than wheat. But, the truth is, we don't have the GI tracts for processing dairy, and I believe the same can be said about wheat.
I believe the idea that humans were meant to eat foods that come readily available and don't have to be processed - mainly fruits and vegetables, nuts, meat, seeds, etc.
Recently I went from wheat/gluten-light to wheat-plenty for an endoscopy. I noticed the difference immediately. I didn't really add "crap" such as cakes, muffins, highly processed sweets but fresh bread and homemade sweets. However, the difference was really noticeable, first came dizziness and headaches, loss of sex-drive , then (within about 3 days) GI problems - bloating, constipation, pain...so once I'm done with testing, I have a strong reason to avoid gluten all together because I clearly see the toll it's taking on my health.
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Celiac has everything to do with gluten.
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Indeed celiacs disease involving gluten digestion problem, however, there is no evidence that the genetic disorder was 'caused by gluten'. It could have just as easily been caused by random mutations leading to disease.
You may find this article on the genetics of celiacs disease of interest which says "We believe strongly that you have celiac disease from the moment you are born. It only manifests, however, after ingesting gluten."
Good luck
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Some humans have adapted to processing dairy - actually lactose in dairy - after the weaning period. "Certain human populations have a mutation on chromosome 2 which eliminates the shutdown in lactase production, making it possible for members of these populations to continue consumption of fresh milk and other dairy products throughout their lives without difficulty." There is speculation that this genetic adaption occured about 4000-4500 BC
Zara when are you going to have your endoscopy for celiacs?
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Unfortunately, in this day and age of Internet access, anyone can find data to support their POV. I could do the same.
However, I prefer to follow a doctor who has spent the last 20 years of his life on research and patient care of celiac patients. He is well respected and known to be the "expert" in the field.
And I quote, "Thus the "collision" between gluten and mankind began." He goes into a complete history of man the hunter/gatherer, and man the agrarian cultivator.
"Harvesting of wheat grains with it's complex gliadin amino acid chain that is poorly digested by mankind, was the beginning. Man continued to eat food that did not agree with him." (wheat & dairy)!!
I believe had we stuck with meat, veggies, fruits, nuts, and seeds, we wouldn't be where we are today.
But, I would suspect I am wasting my breath here, because I am sure you will post your next link.
Good luck to you too!
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