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I think most of it is stress because....
      #33297 - 12/22/03 06:17 PM
nurturingkneads

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I have an attack every few days like clockwork.I have been dealing with alot and it seems like no matter what i eat, like bland stuff. I still do it. I deal with anxiety alot and I have panic disorder, but the stress in my life is overwelming right now...its like Im releasing everyfew days. I have got to get back to my exercise program I used to be on. I could always tell a big difference when I exercised, I quit 2 years ago and havnt started back. My dr told me that if the med Im on didnt help then the exercise would and both would be so much better...so why do I put it off...like, i know it helps

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Re: I think most of it is stress because.... new
      #33300 - 12/22/03 06:31 PM
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I know what you mean about the exercise. I've been putting mine off for awhile. I really need to get back into it. I keep telling myself after the holidays. Wish me luck!

Hope you get back to it too. It really is so helpful, and I feel SO MUCH better when I'm working out. Don't know why I let myself get this way. What's up with that?

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Re: I think most of it is stress because.... new
      #33306 - 12/22/03 06:40 PM
nurturingkneads

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me either....I keep finding things to do that I THINK are more important but I know are not.

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Re: I think most of it is stress because.... new
      #33308 - 12/22/03 06:44 PM
Kree

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I completely understand where you're both coming from! I admit it, I've tried pretty much everything but exercise to help with my IBS. I've never been very athletic, and that's the one thing I haven't been able to get myself to do very much. Maybe we can all make exercising our New Year's resolutions!!

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Re: I think most of it is stress because.... new
      #33312 - 12/22/03 07:11 PM
Kandee

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Stess is terrible and if to much of it is on our plate we pay dearly for it....

Since most here KNOW we need to exercise, why not the New Year's resolution that for every hr. you spend on the computer you will equal that in exercise.....a walk, the gym, yoga classes, an exercise tape.............something....Talk about doing something nice for yourself. I used to be able to use tapes daily now I need the motivation from a group situation plus the fact I have to PAY for the classes. If I join my aerobics class it's for 6 weeks at a time, and I'm not about to let that be money down the drain!!!!
I know it is a stress buster for me, not to mention all the nice friends I've made.....of all ages.
Just a thought...
Kandee

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Re: I think most of it is stress because.... new
      #33313 - 12/22/03 07:23 PM
Gerry10

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At my age just walking to the mail box stress me out an it is just across the street.that is my exercise for the day.

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Stress -- That Damn 6-Letter Word! new
      #33315 - 12/22/03 07:38 PM
Bevvy

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Stress is our arch enemy! When I was working at that high-stress job I've mentioned elsewhere in here, I developed a lump in my throat that was very painful and I could barely swallow. My doctor sent me to an ENT specialist who inserted a telescope down my throat -- that was fun -- and told me there was nothing down there, but he suspected it was nothing but stress! Can you believe it? (Ironically, he was right -- it went away as soon as I found out there was nothing there!) Shortly after that, my dentist asked me what was happening in my life that was causing me such stress. I couldn't believe it! He said he could tell I was under stress because I was grinding my teeth down -- and if I didn't do something about it soon, he'd HAVE to! He "prescribed" relaxation tapes and a pillow microphone so I could listen to the tapes all night long while I slept. I listened to the sound of ocean waves, my beloved loons calling, and waterfalls night after night after night.

Guess what?! It worked. You might give them a try.

As for the exercise, yeah, it does help the stress -- A LOT! But if you're stressed out about not exercising, you're causing more stress -- you're in a catch-22, Girlfriend! Yowza!

I think you need to be a lot easier on yourself and give yourself a break. You'll get back to the exercise when you're ready. You're like all of us. Right now we have other things on our minds -- my gosh, we're 3 days away from Christmas, and we have a LOT to do, family to visit and friends to be around. It's a lot of stress.

I have one thing going for me: my hubby. He's an animal. He would work-out all day long if he could. When we go out for a row on the water, he wants to keep going all the way down that river until it empties into the Bay! I have to turn him around -- I can't do that -- I'm not like him, I'm not a natural athlete. Nevertheless, he keeps me working out -- when I don't feel like going to the gym, he goes anyway, until I feel so guilty I end up joining him! Damn that guilt!

Anyway, ease up on yourself. RELAX -- and enjoy the holidays. After the first of the year, we'll all work out with you! KAY?

Bev.


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      #33326 - 12/22/03 08:41 PM
Bevvy

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I've been thinking about you since I sent my post, and I have a few more ideas.

Do you have a dog? They need walking. How about taking your dog for a nice, brisk walk? They also like to play. I just finished throwing the toy for my dog, and I gotta tell ya, he wore me out!

No dog, you say? Okay, then how about a nice brisk walk by yourself!? Your kids maybe? I heard that exercise doesn't have to be satanic to be beneficial. How about a nice walk with a friend or neighbor?

Do you have a bike? Where I live is a great place to ride a bike. It's safe, the streets are fairly flat, and it's very scenic. Cycling is a GREAT stress-reliever.

Too much snow where you are for cycling? Well, I put my bike on a "road simulator" so I can ride inside. They sell them at bike shops, and I'm sure they're not very expensive. (My hubby advises they have them a lot smaller now than my old one.)

Do you play tennis? There's a tennis court here, but I can't play because I have no cartilege in my right knee. Nevertheless, I like to watch -- it looks like a LOT of fun! If you have access to a tennis court, why not ask a friend to play with you?

Are there rivers near you? Ever thought of taking up kayaking? It's a lot of fun -- especially the classes -- and you see all kinds of animals in the river that you don't see on land!

I'll keep thinking -- I'll come up with something fun.

Later --
Bev.


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Re: I think most of it is stress because.... new
      #33329 - 12/22/03 09:26 PM
shawneric

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Okay, most of you know I have studied this a lot probably. Its good to see a dicussion on this, it really should be talked about more I believe.

Its the holidays right now but lets come back to this after the holidays.

Learning somethings about this can be really helpful for sure and it is pretty complex. However, some information its just stright forward also.

The lump in the throat feeling caused by stress is called globus hystericus. Although other reasons need to be ruled out.

I have a ton of information on stress, anxiety and emotions and IBS. They are very connected. Although the first thing is IBS is not in the head.

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The term "irritable bowel syndrome" (often called IBS) refers to a collection of symptoms with no obvious cause. It is not a disease, but a syndrome -- a group of symptoms that occur together. People with IBS seem to have perfectly healthy digestive systems, but they frequently develop cramping pain in the lower abdomen along with either diarrhea or constipation (sometimes alternating bouts of both). Typically, the pain flares up after a meal and goes away after defecation. Many people also experience gas, bloating, small stools, or mucus in the stool. The symptoms tend to come and go and can occur in any combination.

About 10% to 20% of Americans have IBS at some point in their lives, and only the common cold causes more missed work time. Women are twice as likely as men to have the condition.

For many years, doctors thought irritable bowel syndrome was mainly a condition of the mind. After all, these patients always had normal physical exams, and many said they noticed symptoms only during times of stress. Many questions remain, but it's clear that IBS isn't "all in your head." Researchers now suspect the problem springs from a communication breakdown between the nerves and muscles that control the colon.

Without the proper controls, the contractions that move waste through the colon can speed up, leading to painful spasms and diarrhea. Alternatively, the contractions can become sluggish, setting the stage for constipation. The colon also becomes extremely sensitive, and even normal contractions can cause considerable pain.

Stress and anxiety may not cause irritable bowel syndrome, but they can definitely make symptoms worse. Some people also react strongly to certain foods and drinks, especially fatty foods, dairy products, and drinks with alcohol or caffeine. "





I believe personally in IBS its very important and can help a lot to get a basic understanding of it all.

One important aspect of stressors and IBS is antisipatory anxiety, that you can have anxiety of a proceeding attack.

But

Relaxation resistence.

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Our widespread inability to relax is rarely acknowledged. Few of us are comfortable admitting that we have a tremendous amount of difficulty in being able to relax. Come Monday morning, when asked about your weekend, you reflexively spout out that is was "great." It is equally as common for us to list our relaxation activities (i.e., we were at the beach house, out on the boat, etc., etc.) as though these activities clearly imply that we truly enjoyed them and we were readily able to relax. However, relaxation is usually about a state of "being" and not about a state of "doing." Therefore, no list of relaxation activities guarantees "being" in a state of relaxation.

Most people view being able to relax as simply mind over matter. Should someone tell you that they were unable to relax, you might listen sympathetically but also might feel that the person was just not exercising enough control over himself or herself. Often, we see the inability to relax as a sort of weakness on the part of the person. In addition, many people also believe that relaxation is a natural state. You just take time off, do things you like to do, and relax. If there is a barrier to relaxation, it is believed that it is linked to stress – too much work, too little money, too little time, and too many responsibilities. Many believe that if they had both more time and more money, then relaxation would be sure to follow. News Flash: All of the above beliefs are false … relaxation is an unnatural state!

To understand this you need to look at human brain development and observe some basic elements in nature. One major feature here is the instinctual drive for survival. Nature gives all animals some protection against its natural predators. But, in order to survive, surveillance is required. The bird that decides to take a nap at the base of the feeder might be easy prey for the local cat. The chipmunk that doesn't keep a close lookout will fall prey to a hawk. The unpleasant reality is that in nature, most everyone is trying to eat everyone else. "Eat or be eaten" is one of the primary laws out there.

Although human beings are capable of rational thought, our brains developed in an evolutionary way. Part of early brain development (often called the reptilian brain) is where primitive impulsive and archaic behaviors reside. We can often override these primitive impulses, but they remain intact and emerge episodically through life. Therefore, our natural state is to maintain our sense of alertness in order to protect ourselves. Relaxation implies that we let down this antenna system. It means turning off the radar so that we will not be attuned to incoming missiles. The natural state is to maintain round the clock radar. Our built in radar system does not come with an on – off switch. It is hard wired and always working. Hence, when we try to relax, we are often frustrated. You may have a planned day off and you want to relax. Although you have created the "right" environment, you sit there trying to relax while your radar system fills your head with all kinds of stuff. The next day, rather than feel refreshed, you feel depleted. Remembering that relaxation is an unnatural state, recognize the bind you are in and relieve yourself of the pressure and the guilt you may feel as a result. Rather than help you to relax, pressure and guilt only serve as barriers. Many of you feel that you are supposed to be relaxed and try to drive yourself into a state of relaxation. Pressuring yourself to relax will guarantee your inability to relax. Relaxation only comes when allowed; it cannot occur when forced. Similarly, guilt is both unwarranted and non-productive.

So, how do you relax? Can anything be done to achieve a relaxed state? The answer is a conditional "yes". It can be done. However, your expectations need to be realistic. Although you can learn to relax, you probably will not be able to do it "on command" and "at will." Some days it will go well. Other days, for a variety of reasons, it will not.

The key to relaxation is to find ways to temporarily fool the reptilian brain into going on vacation. If it remains at its sentry post, then you will be too aroused and defended to achieve a state of relaxation. Next, there are a lot of individual differences in what will work. Below are just a few of the more common methods to achieve a state of relaxation. None are universal. You will need to experiment to see what works for you. And, even then, it may not work consistently. Bottom line: you must pick and choose techniques that are suited to your needs, temperament and lifestyle.

1) Music: – For many people, music is effective. It bypasses the sensor and can draw you in, in a meaningful and pleasurable way. Most all cultures have rituals based in music that have evolved over many centuries. The key here is to focus on what music evokes in you. The idea is to feel something. Numbness is not equivalent to relaxation. If any activities are making you feel numb, then you are narcotizing yourself, not relaxing.

2) Meditation: – Meditation has been a staple for relaxation for quite some time. This technique is about focusing your attention. The problem with it is that its results are subtle; it takes a good deal of time and effort, and is easy to abandon. Meditation is not for everyone. But, it is worth a try. Herbert Benson's "Relaxation Response" may be a suitable beginning guide as is "The Relaxation and Stress Reduction Workbook" (New Harbinger Publications).

3) Religion: – Religion, if it provides you with a sense of sanctuary, often achieves a relaxed state. The key here is your sense of safety and security. If you feel you achieve this feeling, then religion may be one of your avenues to relaxation.

4) Move Your Butt: – Exercise, if not compulsively driven, can help relieve some of the physical tension that builds up in the course of a day. Walking, jogging, running, bicycling, swimming, or playing tennis relaxes muscles and relieves tension. Give yoga a try … it's a soothing way to exercise. Note: some find the relaxation in the aftermath of the exercise rather than during the exercise.

5) Touch: – Touch is the only universal relaxer. It bypasses all of the defenses and is actually vital to survival. If you are not getting enough touch, then achieving a relaxed state will be very difficult. But there are some caveats here. The main one is that there are two kinds of touch. One is a "giving touch" in which you feel someone is giving something to you. The other is a "taking touch" in which you feel someone is taking something from you. The "giving touch" is essential and productive one. The "taking touch" has nothing to do with the spirit of touch. Do not be a party to "taking touch". It will only get you father away from where you need to be. "Giving touch" leads to genuine intimacy and relaxation. Sensual and erotic touch is a legitimate part of "giving touch". "Taking touch" turns the people into objects. The intimacy is counterfeit and will only re-energize the sensor. Most everyone can instinctively tell the difference between the two.

6) Relax Your Muscles: Learn about progressive muscle relaxation, s-t-r-e-t-c-h your muscles on a regular basis, or treat yourself to a massage, all great ways to relax muscles and enhance feelings of relaxation.

7) Get Practical: Learn about the benefits of deep breathing, visualization techniques, or picture yourself relaxed through guided imagery. Cut down on caffeine (a potent central nervous system stimulant), get plenty of rest (sleep deprivation compromises your immune system, reduces your ability to cope with daily stressors, clouds your cognitive functioning, makes you sound stupid, and increases irritability. Use alcohol in moderation, when the "high" wears off, you'll feel drained – not relaxed.

Get Smart: Learn to say "no" to excessive demands on your time and energy that increase your stress level, deal with and express your anger/rage, learn to manage your time effectively, and rejuvenate yourself through a hobby – all way's for you to cognitively and socially nurture yourself.

9) Get Connected: Develop a social network. An influx of new research suggests that emotional support helps protect people against the ill effects of stress. Consistent contact with supportive people, community organizations, and/or satisfying causes, all act as a built-in buffer to stress. Therefore, make your world larger than your spouse, lover, family and/or your immediate circle of friends. Carve out time for each and nurture these attachments and they will nurture you.

10) Too Bad If They Can't Take a Joke: Have a good laugh! Laughter deepens your breathing, lowers your blood pressure and releases endorphins, stimulating the pleasure center of the brain. At the same time, studies show, laughter seems to decrease the production of stress hormones from the adrenal glands.


Also, with excersise some people need to be careful, excersise is great for colon function and health, but some people with d predominate IBS if they over do it, can actually cause more d, like runners d in normal people.

So excersise might vary with the individual.



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Re: I think most of it is stress because.... new
      #33335 - 12/23/03 03:10 AM
nurturingkneads

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I definately have antisipatory anxiety...when we go out I always am thinking about it. when at home, Im like ok so i went to the bathroom and knowing Im home I usually will not get nervous and not have to go more than once but if I do its not as bad, but I do tend to beat myself up over this alot...It like I know Im a strong person why cant I get ahold of this....I really helped myself with the panic disorder...that wasnt easy!!!!!!I had gotten to the point that i could be alone, I couldnt drive, etc, etc, etc but I conquered that, Im not saying I dont have hard days when it comes to that. I will always have it and have to deal with it....if i can do that why not IBS.

Bevrs- Thanks for all the great ideas...Im going to start walking after Christmas...But I am going to go palates and yoga in the house...I might even go ahead and start...I bought 2 tapes..one I just got and the other Ive had. and if it rains Im going to do a little step arobics inside.
Thanks everyone else

I also take zoloft and have since 1996. The Drs said I will always have to be on it cause I have a chemical imbalance...and I dont make enough seretonin in my brain and when Im stressed its easilyu depleated...I do remember her telling me that 100 mg was the usualy dose, Im on 75 I may need to go up. to 100. Its not that I dont think its working just need a little more, maybe. I wouldnt change unless it was a HAVE too...hopefully I wont. the first week was hard...it made me feel awful til my body got used to it

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