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      #323149 - 01/25/08 06:26 AM
renee21

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I have read that acidic foods like citrus and tomato should not be combined with carbs because the two cannot be digested at the same time, causing bloat. Is this food combining business legit or total bunk?

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      #323151 - 01/25/08 06:56 AM
Syl

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It is total bunk. The acidity of the stomach juices ( chyme ) is very high (ph 2) eating citrus or tomato will not change the acidity of chyme or effect the digestion of carbs. More importantly, citrus fruits and juices contain carbohydrates in the form of sugars. It is nearly impossible to separate carbohydrates, fat and proteins because many foods contain all three.

Here is an article that discusses the history of how the idea arose in the early 1900 and why the notion is nonsense.


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Re: food combining? new
      #323154 - 01/25/08 07:12 AM
renee21

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Thanks Syl, good article. I am concerned because my new naturopath has a whole section on her website about food combining - she hasn't prescribed it to me yet but it worries me about her mindframe.

And if you consider the billion people who drink OJ with their breakfast, and the other billion people who put tomato sauce on their pasta, you'd have a virtual epidemic of bloating going on!

Has anyone on here tried food combining and found it helped?

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Re: food combining? new
      #323155 - 01/25/08 07:20 AM
renee21

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FYI, this is what it says on my ND's website:

Food Combining
It is commonly believed that our stomachs should be able to digest any number of different foods at the same time. However, digestion is governed by physiological chemistry. It is not only what we eat that is crucial to our health, but also what we digest and assimilate from it as well.

Digestive enzymes are secreted in very specific amounts and at very specific times for breaking down the foods we eat. Different food types require different digestive secretions. Carbohydrate foods require carbohydrate-splitting enzymes, whereas protein foods require protein splitting enzymes, etc. Carbohydrate foods (bread, rice or potatoes) and acid foods (lemons, limes, oranges, grapefruits, pineapples, tomatoes or other sour fruits) eaten at the same meal can cause severe digestive cramping.

This is because the enzyme, ptyalin, an amylase (carbohydrate digesting enzyme) present in saliva that catalyzes the hydrolysis of starch into maltose and dextrin acts only in an alkaline medium; it is destroyed even by a mild acid present in fruits. Fruit acids not only prevent carbohydrate digestion, but they also cause fermentation, which produces gas in the stomach. Oxalic acid, for example, diluted to one part in 10,000 completely arrests the action of ptyalin. Hence a breakfast of pancakes laden with maple syrup and fruits in bound to cause tummy upsets for most folks.

Pasta without tomato sauce?


Tomatoes should never be combined with starchy foods such as breads or pastas, as the various acids present in the tomato are very much opposed to the alkaline digestion of starches. This leads to inhibiting the enzyme activity in the body to digest (break down) the starches. The starches then tend to "sit" in the stomach for a long time, allowing fermentation to occur, which causes gas and heart burn.

Dr Percy Howe of Harvard Medical School states: "Many people who cannot eat oranges at a meal derive great benefit from eating them fifteen to thirty minutes before the meal".

Herbert Sheldon, author of 'The science and fine art of food and nutrition' reports: "I have put hundreds of patients, who have told me that they could not eat oranges or grapefruit, upon a diet of these fruits and they found that they could take them. Such people are in the habit of taking these foods with a breakfast of cereal, with cream and sugar, egg on toast, stewed prunes and coffee, or some similar meal."

An acid process (gastric digestion) and an alkaline process (salivary digestion) cannot be carried on at the same time in an ideal way in the stomach. Before long, they cannot proceed at all, as the rising acidity of the stomach soon completely stops carbohydrate digestion. The highest efficiency in digestion demands that we eat in such a way as to offer the least hindrance to the work of digestion.



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Re: food combining? new
      #323166 - 01/25/08 12:27 PM
Syl

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Many web sites some of which as naturopaths say exactly the same thing. For example, see section on food combining at this web site.

A statement I found rather humurous was the statement "The starches then tend to "sit" in the stomach for a long time, allowing fermentation to occur, which causes gas and heart burn." In ruminants (e.g. cow or horse) fermentation takes place in the stomach. In humans fermentation only takes place in the large intestine unless one has a seriuos disease like gastroparesis. Makes one wonder about the range of nutritional nonsense some people are selling




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Re: food combining? new
      #323175 - 01/25/08 01:31 PM
renee21

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Well wouldn't you know, Syl, the link to the website you gave is my ND's website! I just started seeing her, she doesn't seem like a quack (yet). Right now she's having me tested for everything under the sun. So hopefully this combining stuff not something she subscribes too....

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Re: food combining? new
      #323179 - 01/25/08 02:35 PM
Syl

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I will keep my fingers crossed for you. Keep us posted

Oh here is another web site that has the same quote. There are a number of them
Good luck

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Re: food combining? new
      #323456 - 01/28/08 07:16 PM
Fatso

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It is total bunk. The acidity of the stomach juices ( chyme ) is very high (ph 2) eating citrus or tomato will not change the acidity of chyme or effect the digestion of carbs. More importantly, citrus fruits and juices contain carbohydrates in the form of sugars. It is nearly impossible to separate carbohydrates, fat and proteins because many foods contain all three.

Here is an article that discusses the history of how the idea arose in the early 1900 and why the notion is nonsense.




One day I had orange juice alone, and immediately had bloating and chest pains.
The next day I tried mixing my breakfast with orange juice, and I had the same reaction, but I can have 3 Clementines in a row without any reaction at all.

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