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Re: CONFUSED?? new
      #316274 - 10/08/07 01:53 PM
IBSHell

Reged: 05/09/07
Posts: 98
Loc: Connecticut

Look to the prior post. You may be able to work up to having a SFS as a base, but not off the bat. Yeah, part of the reason why I lost weight was because I stopped eating anything fried, but I also stopped eating a lot of veggies and fruits I had been eating. and I still have something sweet everyday (safe soy ice cream, sorbet, cake). And I'm eating more than I did before. And still lost weight.

But I agree that you need to prioritize your health. I'm not watching my weight as it's far more important to get my IBS under control. I just happened to be losing weight, very slowly.

First, get yourself as stable as you can, then try adding foods back in. Everyone has different tolerances. A lot of people mix in mashed broccoli or califlower with their potato. Most squash is very good for you.

But you're not going to get stable as long as you're freaking out about the food choices. Definitely don't rush the increase in the SFS as that will definitely cause more problems. Experiment with how much of the "white food" you need to eat in order to safely eat other veggies.

I was really afraid of gaining weight on this diet and I find myself eating healthier than I ever have and my stomach is better than it's ever been. Yes, you've always been healthy and watched what you ate. But it's more important to feel better.

Take some deep breaths. And change as much food as you feel you can right now and see if you feel better. Cut out the more "dangerous" IF items (high fiber, whole wheat is the worst for me). Take it slowly. You don't have to radically change your diet if it's only going to freak you out. That will negate any changes you have made.

Hang in there. You will get the hang of it.

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Re: CONFUSED?? new
      #316301 - 10/08/07 07:35 PM
haleym

Reged: 10/07/07
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thank you so much for your reply. yeah i think i need to just try not to freak about the 3lbs i have gained in the 4 days on this. like i said i am going from no carbs for almost 3 years to now adding what society says are the "worst" kind.....ok i think i will be ok if my day look something like this...a benefiber pill first thing

Breakfast: wheatfree toaster waffles with 1 tbs on all natural pb on it
snack: maybe a luna bar or a few rice cakes
lunch: white rice and some grilled chicken
snack: carrot sticks
dinner: some eggwhites in a low carb-(whitw) tortilla
does that look like Im following it pretty much?

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Re: CONFUSED?? new
      #316306 - 10/09/07 02:56 AM
blackrvn5

Reged: 04/02/07
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This looks like you are getting plenty of SF but you need to add more IF, especially if you have C. More veggies and fruit if you can handle it. Make muffins with fruit added, try some beans,celery, etc. Look at the list of If and SF foods that is somewhere on this site. It will help and you won't feel like you are getting so many carbs. Try mixing in the veggies with your rice or eggwhites for a base.

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Susan
IBS-A, Gas, Pain, Reflux
"The first in time and the first in importance of the influences upon the mind is that of nature. Every day, the sun; and after sunset, night and her stars. Ever the winds blow; ever the grass grows."
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Re: CONFUSED?? new
      #316345 - 10/09/07 03:51 PM
Sand

Reged: 12/13/04
Posts: 4490
Loc: West Orange, NJ (IBS-D)

Quote:

ok i think i will be ok if my day look something like this...a benefiber pill first thing

Breakfast: wheatfree toaster waffles with 1 tbs on all natural pb on it
snack: maybe a luna bar or a few rice cakes
lunch: white rice and some grilled chicken
snack: carrot sticks
dinner: some eggwhites in a low carb-(whitw) tortilla
does that look like Im following it pretty much?




The menu you've laid out is pretty much all SF (Soluble Fiber) which is not going to do what you need - you must eat more IF (Insoluble Fiber). Soluble Fiber calms down a spasming gut which is a necessary first step for IBSers but in order to get your gut moving stuff out you have to have IF - especially if you're IBS-C.

The other thing that bothers me about your menu is that you're sticking with "white" SF. I like "white" SF but you've repeatedly said you consider it unacceptable. Therefore, I think you'll be less anxious and more likely to stick with the program if you incorporate more colorful sources of SF into your day.

Instead of a toaster waffle for breakfast, how about oatmeal? Oatmeal is about half SF and half IF and the IF in it is usually tolerated well by IBSers. Instant oatmeal is fine as long as it's safe - no dairy, no artificial sweeteners. Oatmeal gives you some IF and in the form of a whole grain. Try throwing a few berries in for even more IF. For protein, try a hard-boiled egg white.

If your snack is a few rice cakes, add a little fruit, too, even if it's just a peeled apple. That gives you some IF.

Instead of white rice with your lunch, try brown rice. More IF, more color. If you can manage a tiny bit of veggie soup so much the better.

Carrot sticks are fine but they lean toward SF so see if you can augment them with maybe one small celery stick.

How about some squash with more chicken or fish for dinner? Add a little well-cooked green beans or peas to get some IF in you at that meal too.

As your gut calms down you can increase the amount of IF you're consuming. Eventually you'll hit that magic spot where you're eating the bare minimum of SF necessary to keep your gut happy while rounding out your diet with safe protein and IF.

And please be sure to get some fat in your diet. Too much isn't good for IBS but you need some. Heather recommends no more than 25% of calories from fat. You can go lower if you feel better that way, but don't go too low. Think of a reasonable amount of fat as lubrication to keep all your systems - including your gut - running smoothly.

Another way to approach this is to think about what you were eating before you found this Website and try to tweak that so it's more IBS-friendly. For example, if you used to have, say, tabouleh with chicken and veggies for lunch, try the same approach but use orzo in place of the tabouleh and be sure most of the veggies tend toward the SF side. As you do well with that, start mixing some tabouleh in with the orzo and bump up the IF veggies.

I have a feeling you found this Website by finding the Boards and you really can't get a good handle on Heather's approach just by reading the Boards. Here's a list of stuff to read through that might help you better understand that all-SF all the time isn't where you want to go with this approach.

Here's a post I wrote a while back that will point you to the basic reading you need to do to get a better handle on how this is all supposed to work. Just follow the links: web page

Here are two old newsletters that address common misconceptions about dealing with IBS-C. Please do read these. They explain better than I can why IF is so important:

Constipation Frustrations 1

Constipation Frustrations 2


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i think i need to just try not to freak about the 3lbs i have gained in the 4 days on this.




Please don't freak out about this. It seems pretty unlikely you've gained 3 pounds of fat in 4 days. The fact that you're constipated may be sending your weight up or you may be retaining more water or it may just be the normal weight variation we all experience on a day to day basis. (If you're going to weigh yourself more than once a week you might want to figure a moving average and follow that - it smooths out the daily weight swings everyone experiences.)

Unless I've forgotten everything I once knew about weight and calories, 1 pound of fat "costs" 3500 calories. So in order to gain 3 pounds of fat you'd have to have consumed 10,500 calories more than your body needed for basic metabolism plus activities. Over a 4-day period, that would mean consuming 2,625 extra calories per day. That seems pretty unlikely.

I hope this helps. Good luck.

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Re: CONFUSED?? new
      #316373 - 10/10/07 04:12 AM
welshsarah

Reged: 06/30/07
Posts: 297
Loc: England, UK

Great post, Sand! Even though i'm not asking the questions i still found your reply eally helpful and encouraging.

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Re: CONFUSED?? new
      #316389 - 10/10/07 10:04 AM
Sand

Reged: 12/13/04
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Loc: West Orange, NJ (IBS-D)

Thanks. I'm glad it helped.

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[Research tells us fourteen out of any ten individuals likes chocolate. - Sandra Boynton]

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Re: CONFUSED?? new
      #316395 - 10/10/07 02:24 PM
haleym

Reged: 10/07/07
Posts: 73


thank you very much for the help!!! i actually have read so much of the site that my husband is wondering what I do until 1am! but thanks so the links again, i re read just to make sure. Yeah I think that my problem is that Im an all or nothing kinda gal I did the low to no carb diet for 3 years and even when it was ok so slowly start adding I didnt because I wanted to make sure I was doing it completely "right" . SO when I found this I though, wow maybe this is the answer to my prayers so I ran out and bought everything on her safe list and jumped right in. I am going to do what you said and find the balence of my eating for the last 3 years which has been something like

eggwhites for breakfast, a chicken salad on all romaine for lunch and chicken or beef with veggies or a salad for dinner and a sugar free fudgsicle for dessert.

Yesterday I had this:
Oatmeal for breakfast (with some finey chopped walnuts)
an apple for snack( if Im IBS-C dont i want the skin???)
lunch was a wrap on a spinach tortilla with chicken and romaine lettuce
no snack- i was at the gym
and then for dinner a lean turkey patty, some squash and some brocolli.

the apple was the first piece of fruit ive had in about 3 years....it was very yummy

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Apple skin new
      #316400 - 10/10/07 04:09 PM
Sand

Reged: 12/13/04
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Loc: West Orange, NJ (IBS-D)

Quote:

an apple for snack( if Im IBS-C dont i want the skin???)




Ideally, yes, but some people find it a tough IF to start out with especially if an apple is all you're having as a snack. If you want to eat the skin, too, then I'd add some SF in with it even if it's just a few pretzels to get things started.

Your new meal plan looks good and I'm glad you're enjoying your apple.

Take care.

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Re: CONFUSED?? Adding Natural calm new
      #316689 - 10/15/07 12:40 PM

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I thought I'd jump in here if that's okay? I was on here for a while venting, frustrated, at my wits end. So many helped me on here I can't tell you. With each person's input I am finally under control. This whole system of Heather's really works as well as some other suggestions some people have used.

I was so constipated that all that was coming out were these tiny hard as a rock what I call doodie balls. I thought I'd never see a normal stool again it'd been years.

Then someone, I believe Lisa, (love you Lisa you saved me along with Heather!) mentioned Natural Calm. You can get this at Whole Foods or any health food store. It's so easy on the tummy and boy does it work. It's basically magnesium. I showed it to my Gastro doc and he gave me the okay to take it.

I have increased my apple sauce with my warm cereal and bananas so I have either warm brown rice cereal, a tiny bit of margerine, the combo of apple sauce/1/2 banana and for myself I like to sip on hot water or I get a wheat alterative warm cereal Kamut and do the same. Millet I found was too harsh on my belly.

The hot water I sip seems to really get things relaxed enough to go and it's not harsh. I can't seem to tolerate the fennel tea. I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome so I react odd to things and fennel even though no caffine I felt hyper, BUT that's just me. It shouldn't do that to others.

For lunch I have been using a lot more butternut squash and then I have some chicken or turkey. Snacks I make tiny quarter size ground turkey patties. I have 2 of them, with some apple sauce or papaya. I also can tolerate Kamut bread which is a wheat alternative and I can have that with banana mashed and some almond butter. I eat small amounts so my tummy doesn't get over loaded.

Dinner is fun for me cause I have either salmon, chicken, ground turkey, steamed veggies, mostly asparagus or carrots and then, either potato or rice or rice pasta.

More easy fruit for snacks with something IF.

Then I sip on my Natural Calm. I happen to have really bad constipation so I use 3 tsp of it in warm water. I love the taste. It took a while for my stomach to get used to it. I'd get gas a little after I went, but now my stomach loves it. I take it about once every 3 days and it keeps the bowels going the right now. Not like harsh laxatives.

I agree with the poster who said you will find the right balance for you. I thought I never would. Now IBS is managable and not on my mind 24/7.

I did go out to several dinner parties recently and it's hard. You have to pick and chose carefully. I can't seem to tolerate any eggs, white or not. They stuff me up. Since stopping that along with the above I found my balance. Don't give up.

As for the 3 lbs. Yep I get that too. I have introduced walking which I think really has helped the body move enough to keeps things working better. I notice when I don't walk I get more bloated and stuffed feeling. Between the added IF and Natural Calm and walking I found my way. I know you will too!

Lainey

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