Temptation non-dairy fozen dessert
#294768 - 12/28/06 08:12 AM
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Reged: 11/07/05
Posts: 73
Loc: Ohio
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http://www.welovesoy.com/index.html
Best one I have tasted out there. Rice Dream is to salty and Soy Delicous dosn't have a good texture to me.
They have many flavors. Check out there website. It is hard to find around here. Only found it at one store, and only there because someone sugested it to the owner.
Sample ingrediants. Site has all flavors listed.
French Vanilla (1.5Qt, Pint): Chicago Soydairy Soymilk (Filtered Water, Organic soybeans, sea salt), organic evaporated cane juice, organic soybean oil, corn maltodextrin, natural French vanilla flavor (vegan), guar gum, vegan monoglycerides, citric acid, xanthan gum, carrageenan.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrageenan
http://www.notmilk.com/carageenan.html
http://www.tomsofmaine.com/toms/ifs/carrageenan.asp
http://www.marcelcarrageenan.com/
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about carrageenan and degraded carageenan that causes cancer? I have read that isn't in food. What symptoms do people who have problems with carrageenan have?
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"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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Carrageenan is a SF made from complex carbohydrates extracted from algae .
There are a lot of myths about Carrageenan that were originally started by Joanne K. Tobacman from the College of Medicine, University of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa, USA in a 2001 article titled Review of Harmful Gastrointestinal Effects of Carrageenan in Animals.
However, since this article was published the research has been re-examined in detail. Recent information has been published by the Joint FAO/WHO Expert Committee on Food Additives (JECFA). In 2003 overall, the JECFA concluded that there was no concern to the continued consumption of carrageenan and assigned it to the group "Acceptable Daily Intake - not specified". This classification is used when the JECFA has determined that a food additive does not represent a hazard to health . It also allows for the use of the additive at the level necessary to achieve the technical or functional effect in food, also referred to as the level of Good Manufacturing Practices (GMP).
Here is a link to the complete report titled the Opinion of the Scientific Committee on Food on Carrageenan from European Commission Health & Consumer Protection Directorate-General
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Yes but...Splenda is also considered safe as is sorbitol but both are not safe for people with sensitive stomachs. So is carrageenan like that? I know Amie (can't remember her user name) was bothered by it; is anyone else?
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"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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It's in my turkey and I have no problems with it. 
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Please tell me if you avoid it or not...please. I don't know if I should avoid this. 
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I have been eating it in soy products again for now, but will at some time try a solo test of avoiding it. I wish Amie was here to explain carageenan!
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IBS-A for 20 years with terrible bloating and gas. On the diet since April 2004. Remember this from Heather's information pages:
"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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It's in the turkey I eat and the soy milk I drink. I do not seem to have any problem with it.
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Courtney (IBS-D)
"Do your part to live in peace with everyone, as much as possible." Romans 12:18
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I just wish there was a definite answer on this. Or reliable. I searched through some old posts and Amie and some others say it causes problems. I could not find anything in the research library.
I just don't know if I should play it ultra safe and not consume anything that contains it (all cheese substitutes and nut milks) just to be safe. I'm not stable now, so I wouldn't be able to tell if it was causing me a problem. 
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I don't know if I'm sensitive to it or not. I have seen some people post that they are, so I just tried to avoid it by choosing other alternatives. For example, I use Soy Dream or Rice Dream for milk, and I get either Boar's Head oven roasted chicken from the grocery store deli or one from the HFS deli. I have been able to avoid carageenan this way.
However, since I don't actually know if it really bothers me or not, I don't necessarily try to completely avoid it. If it were in a new product I really want to try, it's not a big deal. I just try not to overdo it by consuming it in large quantities. I figured that the more natural options would be better regardless.
Remember, a LOT of IBSers consume carageenan in their soy milks, cheeses, meats, etc. without trouble. You'd really just have to do what feels best for you. If it worries you, don't eat it. If it doesn't worry you and you don't have ill effects from it, eat up! This is one of those things that can make you totally paranoid. Stick to Heather's recommendations, and if you still have trouble you can look for other possible culprits like this.
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I searched for Amie/Khyricat's posts about carageenan. Quote:
I absolutely CAN'T eat anythign with carageenan in it.. thats my latest newfound trigger.. and I have only found one brand of rice or soy milk without it so far- rice dream and soy dream.. at 3 stores.. one of which is my local HFS.... haven't tried whole foods yet or trader joes.. they are on the other side of town... but I can't imagine there being more brands then our Meijers, Kroger and Arbor Farms carry since the 2 bigger stores have very large health food sections.. Kroger has an entire aisle of alternative milks, but nothing other then those 2 (including nut milks) was without carageenan... and it gave me horrid D and cramping without a long lag after drinking it...
Amie
In further posts she said that it was because of its connection with MSG and she is extra sensitive to MSG. Not everyone is sensitive to MSG and carageenan is in almost all soy products. If someone is sensitive to MSG they cannot eat hydrolized proteins, yeast extract, etc.
So it would be a good idea for those who aren't as stable as they want to be to do a test of removing all MSG derivatives for a week or two- including carageenan.
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IBS-A for 20 years with terrible bloating and gas. On the diet since April 2004. Remember this from Heather's information pages:
"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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