Are grapes safe? -nt-
#294140 - 12/19/06 09:11 AM
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The skins and seeds are IF and the pulp is SF.
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#294169 - 12/19/06 05:26 PM
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Grapes are an IF fruit that can be eaten after SF. Personally grapes are my worst fruit. I also don't do well with drinking grape juice or wine. I get really sick all over instantly from grape wine but not from honey or rice wine. Grapes are the last fruit to try in my opinion. Stone fruits and citrus fruits are easier.
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IBS-A for 20 years with terrible bloating and gas. On the diet since April 2004. Remember this from Heather's information pages:
"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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#294181 - 12/20/06 12:20 AM
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Jeio
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I have read the guidelines, as well as both of Heather's books. In fact I have been on the diet for over a year. However, as we all know some things on the safe or not safe list vary among different people. For example, even though apples are supposedly safe when they are peeled, I cannot handle them. Therefore, my question was intended to retrieve experiences from others who have tried grapes. Maybe I should have worded the question differently as to avoid condescending responses.
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Is it possible?
#294199 - 12/20/06 08:01 AM
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If you cannot eat apples is possible that you are fructose intolerant? Can you eat pears and does HFCS bother you? What fruit can you eat with problems? Or do you think the IF in apples is too high for you?
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I'm not sure. I cannot handle pears either. To tell you the truth, I steer clear of most fruits unless they are pureed in a smoothie (most often with strawberries and bananas). Bananas are the only fruit I can successfully eat in their original form. HFCS does not seem to be an issue. The IF could be an issue although I am able to handle other IF without difficulty. Its all a mystery...
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I eat grapes and do fine with them. I don't usually eat too many though, as it's usually just something I see on the counter and grab a few of. Try having a handful and see how you do.
I guess grapes are not on the 'safe' list, but they aren't not safe either. It's another fruit/IF thing that needs to be tried trial-and-error and see if you do ok with it. I would also not suggest eating a ton of them if you don't normally eat them, start out with just a few.
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My problem with a question that asks "is something safe" is that to me "safe" means Soluble Fiber foods, so my reaction to your question would also have been to suggest you review the list of Soluble Fiber foods. How lucky for me that I was too weary to post such a response.
If what you want is feedback on how other people do with grapes it would indeed be clearer to word your question that way. Clarity is especially important if you plan to be unpleasant when people who are trying to help make an honest mistake because they respond to what it sounds like you're asking rather than to what you really want to know.
I do fine with grapes and RachelT's Almond Chicken Salad with grapes is one of my summer staples. In fact when I make the Salad I usually throw in far more grapes than it calls for.
Incidentally, as far as I know, peeled apples are not on the list of Soluble Fiber foods although applesauce is.
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Peeled apples
#294223 - 12/20/06 11:49 AM
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No, peeled apples are not on the SF list, BUT it's listed under the IF part of Heather's cheat sheet. However it says there: apples (peeled they're safe).
/Ulrika, IBS-D
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#294226 - 12/20/06 01:12 PM
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My intention was not to be unpleasant to anyone, and I am sorry you interpreted it that way. Unfortunately, when using any form of text communication, individuals are unable to decipher the tone behind the message. For example, one could interpret your response as sarcastic and admonishing, when you may really desire to clarify and defend a friend. I simply think there are more amicable ways to communicate: "Please read the EFI dietary guidelines more thoroughly...".
I have always received very helpful and friendly responses in this forum, from people who are eager to help based on their own experience. I hope new people will have the same experience in the future.
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#294242 - 12/20/06 04:00 PM
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Apples are more likely to cause gas than other fruits (except pears- they do it too). I put apples at the second to the bottom spot on my fruit list.
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IBS-A for 20 years with terrible bloating and gas. On the diet since April 2004. Remember this from Heather's information pages:
"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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#294267 - 12/20/06 09:38 PM
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I certainly don't believe that anyone needed defending. My post was prompted by your description of the advice you received as "condescending".
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and I'm sorry if I came across that way. When I was asked to be a moderator by Heather, she asked that I do two things: 1. Notify her of inappropriate posts and 2. To redirect people to answers already posted on the website. I was simply doing my job. Furthermore, after helping others for 4 years, I sometimes grow tired of answering the same questions over and over again when the answer is already available. Since no one at the time had responded to your post, I referred you to the most direct answer possible: Heather's.
Furthermore, everyone is asked to thoroughly read through all the guidelines before posting. I will explain the referred area more thoroughly. First, here is the quote from Heather's insoluble list: (quote)-
Once glance will tell you these insoluble fiber foods are the best (and tastiest) around, but your colon simply can't handle it if you eat them with abandon. You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem.
In general, if a plant food (no animal products contain fiber) seems rough, stringy, has a tough skin, hull, peel, pod, or seeds, be careful, as it's likely very high in insoluble fiber. This is not a comprehensive list of insoluble fiber foods by any means but it should give you the general idea. (quote)
Since grapes (at least some) still have seeds, and all have tough skins, they should be eaten carefully, as all insoluble foods should be. You may have better success with peeling them, as that is where the most insoluble part of the grape is.
Again, I apologize, but those who know me fairly well I would hope they know I only try to help here. We're all in this together. After 4 years of helping Heather, I do my best. Perhaps there should be a clarification for everyone posted on "safe foods." I think Heather would refer to these as soluble fibre. The Insolubles are ones that should be eaten with care, therefore be cautious, and the trigger foods are the "unsafe". Perhaps a sticky post of some kind will be helpful. I will ask Heather.
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I didn't think you sounded condescending at all - just informative, to the point, and helpful! I think the EFI Diet Cheet Sheet (Go, Caution, Stop) does a really good job of summarizing what to eat and how to eat to it, plus listing the triggers you must avoid. Even if the list doesn't contain every fruit, vegetable, or grain it does give you guidelines on how to eat something that may be IF. If I try something new I prefer to follow these guidelines rather than taking a poll of how it's affected others. Although, I can understand wanting to know others reactions to it in order to save yourself from some pain. I've asked this question before and I've replied to such questions as well, thinking that my experience my help. But now I'm not too sure about that. You can't know for sure if the person you're asking IS following the EFI correctly and incorporating this fruit/vegetable/grain into his/her diet in a safe way or if he/she has another issue in addition to IBS (diverticulosis, colonic inertia, etc). So, now, that's why I usually just experiment on my own.
Alicia, you've always been very helpful and kind to me and others on the boards, so I know you weren't being rude. 
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I completely understand why people are afraid to try foods and prefer to ask. Of course they want to avoid pain. The unfortunate thing, I think, is that every one of us can have a different reaction to the same IF food. It's a really tricky zone. Some would tolerate something just fine, and the next couldn't tolerate a teaspoon of it even if it's cooked, peeled, mashed and pureed.
It's going to be a risk anyway - just because one person is fine with it, doesn't mean the person asking is going to be fine. So taking a poll in my opinion is not a real good measure - you simply have to try it yourself in the safest way possible. It's just the sad reality of IBS. The good news is we have a wonderful website (thanks to Heather), have good guidelines and tons of support. We're all in this together, just trying to help each other out in the best way we can.
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#294344 - 12/21/06 07:52 PM
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For every person you will get a different answer. Especially about bananas. They are some people's safest food and other people cannot tolerate something about them. Besides no one wants to say something is safe without question and cause someone to have pain; so rarely do people give black and white answers to those sorts of questions. And if people do, who's to say they know what they are talking about? If you know what I mean.
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"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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