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Help! doctor told me this
      #288474 - 10/30/06 04:07 PM

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I went to see my doctor about my C and she had some x-rays taken to compare it with last time. I also had blood drawn for some tests and I have an ultrasound and a pap smear scheduled for next time. She told me to stop taking the fennel, peppermint, and natural calm. She told me it can be constipating. What the HELL?

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Re: Help! doctor told me this new
      #288485 - 10/30/06 04:54 PM
Lisa Marie

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What do YOU think? Has the natural calm been constipating to you? It certainly isn't for me! I would listen to your body rather than your doctor in this case!

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Re: Help! doctor told me this new
      #288486 - 10/30/06 04:57 PM

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I don't think so. what do you think about the fennel and peppermint? How can a doctor tell a person not to take that for ibs?

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Re: Help! doctor told me this new
      #288487 - 10/30/06 05:00 PM
Lisa Marie

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Because fennel and peppermint fall into the realm of "alternative medicine", something very few doctors care to learn about. They want to give you a pill to make it all better! I never found either of those to be constipating, and if they help you, by all means, keep using them! Glad you are getting all those tests done. Good luck! Are you feeling any better?

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Re: Help! doctor told me this new
      #288496 - 10/30/06 05:39 PM
feelinggood

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I would have to disagree with the Doctor. I have had bloating and gas for a very long time and fennel tea is the only thing the helps to take it away - I do think that Doctors are wary of any "natural" type of medicine and unfortunately reach for a prescription. It is not really their fault as I do beleive they are trained that way and they do have their place. Take care.

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Re: Help! doctor told me this new
      #288499 - 10/30/06 05:43 PM
GaiasSong

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Doctors are not all-knowing, boy am I finding that out with my IBS adventures!

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Re: Help! doctor told me this new
      #288518 - 10/30/06 07:52 PM

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I remember I said to the doctor they help me. She said "then why aren't you better?" I was angry. I asked her if she knew what natural calm is and she said yes. I'm gonna print the stuff about fennel tea off this website and give it to her when she does my pap smear. I'll say you don't have to read all this right now but will you read it?

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mirilax new
      #288519 - 10/30/06 08:23 PM

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She also said she wants me to take mirilax. Don't people get dependant on that? I don't think i need my stool softer i told her, its already soft without that, i feel like i can't take the mirilax or i will get runny stuff.

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Re: mirilax new
      #288582 - 10/31/06 03:18 PM
Lisa Marie

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I don't know about you, but my ultimate goal in starting this IBS diet and the hypno and everything else was so I could STOP depending on prescription drugs!! If the Natural Calm is helping, then I definitely would not start the Miralax. It's not necessary! And I would definitely print off some info from this site and take it to her.

Sorry if I sound cranky, but nothing makes me madder than doctors who think they know it all and are unwilling to LISTEN to their patients regarding what works for THEM!

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Re: Doctors Recommendation... new
      #288605 - 10/31/06 05:13 PM
Lumiere

Reged: 06/30/06
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From personal experience, a husband in medicine and university courses I have taken on health/gender etc... Doctors here in N.America are taught Western medicine--essentially treating the illness/disease with medication. It is only beginning to change within the medical community
that things such as diet and exercise (what some of us consider pretty basic) are being considered as integral to health. Other cultures seem to be a little more open to "natural treatments." For example, many people benefit greatly by exercising for symptoms of depression (serotonin levels can be very similar to those taking meds) as well as children with ADD/ADHD that are missing fundamental vitamins/nutrients in their diet--many are eating processed foods and not eating real food. Instead, the diet is overlooked and many are heavily medicated. Diet and exercise affects our psyche, our stress levels, as well as our relationships...What I am getting at is generally Western medicine has a long way from looking at the individual as a WHOLE person...you can't just treat something and not have it affect other things. I do think medication has its place, and that some people improve with it, but arm yourself with knowledge (including non-internet research) and remain open to posssiblities. Doctors do get pharmaceutical perks for prescribing meds. Some get bonuses, some get vacations, not all...but some do. Keep this in mind. YOU have been living with your body and YOU know what feels better...and what doesn't. Doctors are not Gods...they make mistakes like every one else. Take everything with a grain of salt, and don't expect them to have all the answers. They don't--many have incredible knowledge, but only YOU know your body. Peppermint, fennel and natural calm are all safe, you don't have any allergies to them...they are helping you. Don't doubt yourself. You can listen, but you don't have to take something you don't want to. My GI wrote a prescription for a drug for D; I decided I was going to try one more thing because I didn't want more stuff in my already overloaded body.. :I began Dig. Enzymes. I haven't had D since. He said to me at my last appt, "Why aren't you taking the meds?" He was surprised that I didn't need them but wasn't going to argue with me...I know what works for MY body.

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Re: Help! doctor told me this new
      #288640 - 11/01/06 06:25 AM
Roland

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Peppermint constipates me sometimes. I no longer take 3 caps a day because of this. But thats just me!

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Re: Doctors Recommendation... new
      #288646 - 11/01/06 07:57 AM
Syl

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Thing I found most interesting about your post was the comment "I began Dig. Enzymes. I haven't had D since".

Each enzyme in a complex of digestive enzymes works in a specific and well-defined manner. You such be able to determine which foods are causing your D. For example the enzyme lactase works specifically on the carbohydrate lactose and the enzyme alpha-galactosidase hydrolyzes alpha-D-galactosides (e.g. raffinose, stacchyose, and verbascose) found in legumes and other veggies.

Do you have other IBS triggers such as caffeine, alcohol, high fat foods, etc too?

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Re: mirilax new
      #288651 - 11/01/06 08:40 AM
Jordy

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I've had 4 doctors assure me that I cannot become dependent on Miralax. I hope they are right, as it is the only thing that makes my bowels work. I have not had to increase my dose since starting it about a year ago.

Does anyone else know for sure the facts about Miralax and dependency???

I've tried decreasing the dose, as my SFS has increased, but then, unfortunately, I am still stuck with constipation and that is painful. I guess we need to take whatever it takes to have a better quality of life.

However, I agree...you probably will get softer stools...and if you already have soft stools, that might make it worse. That's one thing I don't like about Miralax. why don't you try it, and see how it goes?

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Totally new
      #288656 - 11/01/06 10:20 AM

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when it works a doctor should listen!

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Re: mirilax-Lisa Marie new
      #288684 - 11/01/06 12:22 PM
Jordy

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Have you ever taken Miralax? I was just curious how it compared to the Natural Calm with results. I am so confused...I don't know which one helps me...but I agree, I would feel more comfortable taking something natural...if it would only work!

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Re: Doctors Recommendation... new
      #288705 - 11/01/06 02:40 PM
Lumiere

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I started dig. enzymes because it was my last resort as to a supplement/pill. I was given an Rx for Pamine (anti-D) but was recommended by a friend to try the enzymes. I take a multi enzyme because I think I have alot of triggers...I laid off on all dairy, I was about to go completely vegetarian, and I could never leave the house without tummy rumblings, bad D and generalized anxiety. I couldn't trust my body at all...I never knew what it would do. I have now introduced some dairy (I mainly drink soy & rice milk) but if I have dairy near the end of the day, it doesn't bug me. Meat has always made me gassy, and having a husband that loves to cook fried/high fat/tasty food was a problem. I avoid red meat now...and I take enzymes before every meal. The probiotic really helps keep me regular...I really noticed when I ran out for 4 days, so I know they are beneficial. I can only have 1/2 cup of coffee in the afternoon...my tummy is sensitive to food early morning...always has been, even before IBS diagnosis...Alcohol doesn't bother me...I can drink red wine. I don't know if you're familiar with the eating for your blood type..I am AB - so red wine is beneficial for me...just in moderation though.(not an entire bottle!) I found prior to the enzymes I was not assimilating my vitamins/nutrients and now I have had normal BMs...every a.m., it never fails. I don't have bloat anymore either, and I am sure if I took the fennel tea my "Buddha" would go down even more. Say hi to Corner Gas for me! (I am from BC)

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Re: Doctors Recommendation... new
      #288713 - 11/01/06 03:56 PM
Syl

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Wow! Sounds like you have a wonderful routine worked out. I am sure the digestive enzymes help a lot. I take Beano with lunch and dinner just to make sure. I take lactase if I have diary; however, I have it infrequently. I tried probiotics but I did not find them helpful. The clinical evidence is mixed. It is nice to have eliminated enough triggers that generally speaking I can identify a new one when it occurs. However, sometimes I have to really go digging for the answer. Oh well - it makes life interesting

Corner Gas! Four thumbs up

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Re: Help! doctor told me this new
      #288715 - 11/01/06 04:06 PM
dmdentre

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Hi there
I am a medical student and the first thing that I tell patients is that they know their own body better than anyone else. A doctor who does not have IBS (or any other particular disease) has read about it somewhere and is trying to help, but does not know from experience. Sometimes doctors forget that medicine is an art, not an all or nothing thing! With all advice you get from the doctor - remember that what you do and how you feel is completely up to you! You can heed their advice and try it or you can continue with the supplements if you think they work for you! The problem with medicine is that everyone is different and advice for one person may not work while it works for another! With IBS, this is particulary frustrating becuase medical doctors know so little about it...it is not like blood pressure, where everyone gets the same treatment. I count myself as lucky to have IBS, because I think that it will help me be a better physician...I know what it is like! In terms of your constipation, I would suggest fiber (you are probably already doing that) and lots and lots and lots of water! I know some people think it is gross but prune juice seems to work wonders for some people...and by all means, if you don't trust your doctor...switch!!!

I hope this makes you feel better! Take care!
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Re: mirilax-Lisa Marie new
      #288716 - 11/01/06 04:08 PM
Lisa Marie

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Sorry, Jordy, I've never taken Miralax. I had never even heard of it until someone on this board mentioned it! For years I was told by doctor after doctor that there aren't any good prescription drugs out there for C, so just "eat more fiber!" I always either just suffered, or took Milk of Magnesia if it got unbearable. I'm SO grateful for the Natural Calm!!

How much are you taking? I think I've settled on 2 teaspoons per day - for now!

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Re: Doctors Recommendation... new
      #288717 - 11/01/06 04:10 PM
Lisa Marie

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Which digestive enzyme do you take?

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Re: Doctors Recommendation... new
      #288732 - 11/01/06 05:18 PM
Lumiere

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Hi Lisa Marie, I take Multi-Enzymes from GNC.They are about $17. I take the multi because I don't necessarily know exactly what I have more difficulty digesting and I think I need all the help I can get! Fat, some veggies are harder for me and occasionally dairy...so that's a bit of an explanation.
I noticed that you also volunteer at a cat sanctuary--so do I! We have taken in 400 cats in the last year and have adopted out 329. It's great to know you are making a difference. Take care!

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Re: Doctors Recommendation... new
      #288811 - 11/02/06 12:43 PM
Lisa Marie

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Hi Lumiere! Yes, I have quite a large soft spot for kitties. Luckily DH doesn't complain! There are five in my house right now - three of which are ours. The volunteer work definitely makes me feel GOOD!!

I recently bought Renew Life brand digestive enzymes but they were quite pricey; ~$50 for 90 pills. However, that's really not SOOO bad since 1 per meal (lunch and dinner) seems to work really well, whereas I had to take 4 Beanos with each meal! Did you try Beano before? If so, do the digestive enzymes work better? Just trying to find the "best" enzyme I can without spending a fortune!

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Re: Doctors Recommendation... new
      #288861 - 11/02/06 06:48 PM
Lumiere

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No, I myself didn't have much success with Beano. I had to take alot too! I buy the GNC multi enzymes (120 caps) and they're $17.99. I thought that was enough $ because I go through about 2 bottles a month. My husband also takes them before a high fat meal (he has an iron stomach.) They seem to be working great. The probiotics are more, but I order from vitacost.com and the deals are significant...even with shipping.
I am happy that you are enjoying the volunteering...it's good for the soul, isn't it?

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Digestion Essentials new
      #288909 - 11/03/06 10:29 AM

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i take digestion essentials, its made by the same guy who makes natural calm. Has anyone tried this one?! Could you please tell me your experiences with it? Also, could you look at its ingredients and compare it to other brands? Anyone know what brand heather takes for a digestion thing, probiotic, fiber, and all that?

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Re: Doctors Recommendation... new
      #289091 - 11/05/06 08:43 PM
Lisa Marie

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Ah, yes, VERY good for the soul.

Perhaps I will give the GNC brand a try next time. Thanks for the recommendation!

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      #289251 - 11/07/06 01:57 PM

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