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Did you take a look at the link, Bob? new
      #259393 - 04/21/06 06:16 AM
Augie

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Here are the ingredients again...INGREDIENTS: Molasses and Honey; Brown Rice Flour, Natural Process Cocoa Powder, White Rice Flour, Organic Chocolate Chunks (Organic Natural Evaporated Cane Sugar, Organic Chocolate Liquor, Organic Cocoa Butter, GMO-free Soy Lecithin/emulsifier, Gluten-free Organic Vanilla. Chunks may contain traces of milk protein due to manufacturing equipment.); Tapioca Starch, Sweet Rice Flour, Potato Starch, Gluten-free Natural Flavor (contains corn derivative), Sea Salt, Xanthan Gum, Baking Soda.

As you can see, it has both cocoa and the real chocolate liquoir and cocoa butter. 1.5 grams fat per brownie. Is the caffeine content what makes chocolate a trigger? I thought it was the fat.

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Well, this list also includes... new
      #259398 - 04/21/06 06:25 AM
Augie

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...many IBS "safe foods" and foods the poster is also eating...like figs, papaya, avocado, banana, pumpkin and sesame seeds, and nut butters. It also has sourdough and fresh yeast breads.

I bet migraine triggers are not tension headache triggers. Two different maladies here.

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Thanks Michelle... new
      #259401 - 04/21/06 06:35 AM
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Belinda sounded pretty definite that chocolate was a trigger for all IBSers when she says "By the way, chocolate isn't good for IBS either!"

And since I don't have a handle on my own triggers...I obsess about all potential problems I may be putting into my body. This is a challenge for me.

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Oops, forgot, sorry new
      #259408 - 04/21/06 06:58 AM
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Beth, There would be a little caffeine in the chocolate chunks
,but it's very small. I mean small enough so as to not trigger
. Just like there is a small amount of alcohol in the choc.
liquor. Yes, chocolate is a trigger because of it's fat rather
than the small amount of caffeine. -Bob

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Re: triggers for tension headaches and migraines are not the same new
      #259416 - 04/21/06 07:25 AM
ErinB

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Good question and the answer is NO! Actually, some of the triggers for migraines are the same as tension, and actually tension headaches can trigger a migraine. Here is a list of common triggers and you'll see what I mean about not being the same:

Tension headaches are called tension headaches for a reason, they are caused by tension. Some very common triggers are: stress, anxiety, fatigue, hunger, anger, poor posture, or overexertion. Notice it mentions hunger can be a trigger, but not any food you eat.

Common migraine triggers are: alcohol, MSG, aspartame, chocolate, caffeine, dairy products, fatty foods, lack of sleep or too much sleep (one of my triggers), irregular sleep patterns (one of mine), physical exertion, fatigue, sudden or intense exertion, irregular meal patterns, stress, anxiety, depression, glare or bright light, flashing or flickering lights (one of my triggers), fluorescent lighting, weather changes (one of mine), strong odors (bad or good), repetitive visual patterns (stripes, zigzags, etc.-one of mine), air pollution, secondhand smoke, chemical fumes, nitroglycerine, histamine, reserpine (hypertension drug), hydralazine (drug that lowers blood pressure), diuretics, anti-asthma medications

As you can see, one of the big differences (besides the type of pain) is that tension headaches tend to be specific in what triggers them: tension! Migraines can be pretty random and they are different for different people. I've suffered through tension headaches, migraines, and cluster headaches since I was a little girl. I know food causes migraines for most people, and Belinda is right, Chocolate is a trigger for MOST people, but not everyone. The only problem I have is with caffeine and I'm trying to stop drinking the sodas b/c of the IBS (I never knew it had anything to do with IBS until last week!) and if I try to stop drinking caffeine all together, then I get migraines, so I have to stop gradually. That is my only food trigger for migraines, but almost all the foods listed as triggers DO trigger my IBS. Everything else comes from visual stuff, sleep changes (too much, too little, change in the pattern of when I sleep, etc.), and changes in the weather.


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Re: I am not Ill-Informed new
      #259420 - 04/21/06 07:45 AM
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Belinda, first off, your post came across to me as very rude, I hope it wasn't intentional. If it was, there was no reason for it.

Notice I said that "Caffeine (in chocolate, sodas, coffee, etc.) IS one of the biggest triggers in a lot of people". I agreed with you. If you'd read other posts, I AM a migraine sufferer and have been since I was a little girl, actually migraine, tension, and cluster headaches. Migraines can be caused from withdrawl of caffeine, which is what is happening with me. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about, and if you wish, I can give you more detail about why I know what I'm talking about.

The whole point of what I was trying to get across is that migraine triggers are different for everyone. What triggers migraines for one person is not necessarily a trigger for another. Read my post about migraine vs. tension headache triggers. I was using myself as an example that with the exception of caffeine, or lack of, food is not a trigger for me. Chocolate has no effect on me. I've had migraines since I was 13 years old and I didn't even eat chocolate back then. Even at the onset of migraines, they are experienced differently for different people. For years my mom disagreed with my neurosurgeon about having migraines b/c I didn't have any auras when in reality only 20% of migraine suffers ever experience auras.

Why am I drinking caffeine with IBS?? Because I had no idea until last week caffeine had anything to do with IBS. No one ever told me that until I found this site.

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Just a note on the soda... new
      #259425 - 04/21/06 08:03 AM
Augie

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...it's especially the carbonation...not just the caffeine. So caffeine free wouldn't be safe either. Soda causes gas, bloat, and contains lots of chemicals.

Good luck getting off of it. I went from 8 cans a day to nothing! I really can't say I miss it though.

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Re: Just a note on the soda... new
      #259428 - 04/21/06 08:12 AM
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Thanks for the info Augie. I've heard of carbonation bothering some, but unless the carbonation causes D, I don't think that one is an issue for me simply b/c I don't get bloated or gasy. I'll keep that in mind though, who knows! I was thinking of switching to a non-caffinated soda, but maybe I should just stop all together

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Re: triggers for tension headaches and migraines are not the same new
      #259435 - 04/21/06 08:33 AM
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That's what I thought! Thanks for the info, Erin! I've had both types of headaches and recalled my doctor saying they usually start due to different reasons. When I was having a lot of anxiety and panic, I tended to have tension headaches more frequently. During my period I sometimes get migraines, but these are due to a drop in estrogen.

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Re: Just a note on the soda...
      #259436 - 04/21/06 08:37 AM
lalala

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Oh, and don't forget artificial sweeteners and HFCS found in most sodas. Those are also considered triggers.

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