brown instead of white rice
#236606 - 01/08/06 05:26 AM
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niclouise
Reged: 11/22/05
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i know we are supposed to eat white rice but I really hate it but love brown rice which of course is IS,is there any way of making brown rice safe? Maybe by having my acacia just before? any advice greatly appreciated.
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until you're stable, you should really stick to white rice. once your symptoms are well under control, brown rice can be part of the IF you *gradually* work back into your diet. it may work for you, but it might not. remember, though, that it won't count as your SF any more, so you'll always need to be careful with it.
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I eat Spanish rice and it doesn't bother me.
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Try half-and-half and see how it suits you...having your Acacia first and having lots of SF veggies with it will help.
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Half white rice and half brown rice, that is.
Make that your IF for that meal though and stick to SF veggies and such.
Of course how you handle that will depend on your own tolerances and stability.
HTH 
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Edited by SPASMTASTICAL! (01/08/06 09:53 AM)
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I did too. I thought Heather's book even said so but after a while you can get uncertain about anything.
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but they still have their IF exteriors - the bran. This is why you don't want to overdo it on brown rice, but you still need to get as much whole grains and IF as you can tolerate in your diet. Mixing brown with white rice (which is white because the bran/IF has been removed) can make it easier to digest since you'd have a larger SF base.
This is explained in The First Year: IBS, pg 32, "I'm Confused! How Can the Same Food Have Insoluble and Soluble Fiber?" This info is also on the site, in the Diet FAQ section: Both Fibers HTH! 
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In EFI, page 127, there's a recipe for "Basic Brown Rice", which begins:
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Brown rice is wonderful with grilled salmon and all types of vegetarian meals. Try a bowl plain with a splash of fresh lemon juice and a sprinkle of garlic salt for a quick, tasty, and safe snack.
In the Web page you quote, Heather concludes by saying:
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Oatmeal, brown rice, and corn meal (polenta) tend to be the best-tolerated whole grains for IBS.
So it seems that brown rice, like oatmeal, is one of those "soluble fibers" that some people can tolerate and some can't.
It's funny, because I was convinced it was IF, too, but when I took a close look at the SF list, all it says is "Rice". Too bad - I hate the stuff. 
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Thanks for pointing out the EFI one! Wow, that is confusing!
I don't see anything contradictory about the web page quote, but like you said it's one of those "some can, some can't" foods. And I know that's frustrating when you're still feeling bad and just want to know what you can eat without having to experiment. 
Edited by SPASMTASTICAL! (01/09/06 12:52 PM)
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I guess I never noticed that note in EFI. Thanks for pointing it out Sand. I always just assumed that brown rice was just as unsafe as whole wheat, which does terrible things to me. But them, I'm totally fine with oatmeal. Maybe I'll give some brown rice a try...
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The interesting thing about brown rice is that it doesn't have much more fiber than white rice, if at all...so i find it hard to believe that the extra IF (which is probably .5-1g per serving) would be terribly harmful, especially since there is also SF, and rice is one of the safest grains for digestive problems. I would try it and see if it gives you problems.
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That is exactly what was confusing to me. I have been eating a ton of it with no problems b/c I assumed it was SF. No problems with it...so I was surprised it was being referred to as IF. Thanks for clearing it up Sand!
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It's not black and white. We may tell newbies that some things are SF and some are IF to make it easy for them, but it's rarely that simple. SF foods are those with a high SF content and relatively little or minimised IF...this is why Graham crackers are considered safe despite being wholewheat based (high SF content, IF content minimised). Apart from Acacia (one of the few SFSs with no IF), I don't think they are actually many things that are COMPLETELY IF free. But there are plenty of things that are safe.
If you can eat brown rice, oatmeal, etc then GREAT. It's just wise to be careful if you haven't tried it before.
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It might be okay to eat brown rice with veggies and no other SF food with the meal (for some people)...even if I don't take an SFS? 
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Constipation, pain prodominent,cramps, spasms and bloat!
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Beth, Well, According to Northwestern's fiber chart, a half a
cup of cooked brown rice contains a total of 1.7 g's of fiber
of which 0.1 is SF and 1.6 is IF. But that's part of what I'm
going to have for dinner tonight along with my last Whole
Foods sweet potato. You know, I had nine packed in my luggage,
five in a plastic bag in my big suitcase, and four not bagged
at all, in plain sight in my small suitcase, and the
security buggers confiscated them on me!! Well, I guess you
can't transport sweet potatos across state lines. I'll have
to get my sister to smuggle me some more in the mail. I had
some sweet potato pie from Jewel-Osco when I was down there
,and it was good. I'll have to look in Heather's book to
see if there is a recipe for it, or check the recipe board
I suppose. -Bob
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MAYBE!
#237902 - 01/12/06 07:41 AM
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Linz
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It totally depends on your tolerance. Personally I couldn't use brown rice as a base for IF-rich veggies but I could have it with SF-rich veggies.
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Re: MAYBE!
#237912 - 01/12/06 08:09 AM
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Johnny T. Reb
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Linz, Yes, that jives with my post below. -Bob
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How true this is! Foods, in general are rarely completely one or the other, i.e. SF or IF. A lot of people neglect this.
Kate, IBS-D.
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When Sand quotes the book saying. Quote:
So it seems that brown rice, like oatmeal, is one of those "soluble fibers" that some people can tolerate and some can't.
There is a recipe in the book for oatmeal with blueberries. Wouldn't brown rice with spinach or green beans be equivalent to that? Or not?
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~ Beth
Constipation, pain prodominent,cramps, spasms and bloat!
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IT's NOT solule fibre. It is a mixture of soluble fibre (okay it's high in this) and insoluble fibre.
For me, I can have fine oatmeal (so the IF is ground down and therefore minimised) with blueberries just fine. But I can't have coarse oatmeal and blueberries.
The brown rice tolerance is similar (for me I can cope with the IF in the brown rice if it's accompanied by low-IF, high-SF veggies but NOT if it's with high-IF, low-SF ones)....everyone's level of tolerance of the IF is different, that's why I answered maybe.
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I think for you and some others yes! I have been finding myself on the more IF is good side of the fence lately. If you don't get sick from IF then try more to help your C and you may feel better. I have been eating natural ovens oatmeal bread because I am craving whole grains. I ate a sandwich of it today with lettuce and an orange. Yesterday I had some rice and then a big taco salad and Wed I had tacos without rice because I forgot. On Tuesday I had my acacia with a spinach omelet and oatmeal grainy bread. Try it, it might work and if not you won't be much worse off.
I'm sorry if I offend others, but remember that most foods have both IF and SF and so the difference is the ratio that is ok for an individual person.
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IBS-A for 20 years with terrible bloating and gas. On the diet since April 2004. Remember this from Heather's information pages:
"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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