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      #223418 - 11/06/05 03:44 PM
jen1013

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Hey guys ... er ... girls! Need some advice.

(Warning -- gross female stuff ahead. If you are a guy, avert your eyes and go watch football.)

I just can't stabilize. I've been on Heather's diet for well over a year and I think the longest I've been able to go without taking Imodium is probably about 3 days. I got a lot worse early this summer, and then I went off birth control. I've been in hell ever since.

I am getting these strange attacks. At first I just thought they were unusually horrible D attacks. Eventually, I figured out they weren't really D. They are really horrible crampy pains low in my abdomen. During a bad attack, they are almost constant. During a "mild" attack, they come in regular intervals of 5-15 minutes apart. The pain washes over me in a wave and leaves me sweating and dizzy. Sometimes my vision goes black. I usually end up having to put my head on my knees because I'm afraid of passing out. A "mild" attack is about a billion times worse than my worst D attack. Nothing I can take touches this -- I simply have to wait it out. Usually it lasts around 3 hours. Although I do typically eventually get D during this, it feels like the D is incidental -- like it's kind of being forced out just because my insides are contorting so much. There is no rhyme or reason to when these attacks occur. They tend to happen every 3-4 days, but sometimes if I get a bad one I'll have another the next day. They can happen at 3:30 pm, at 7:30 a.m., whenever. A few times I've woken up in the middle of the night with one. I've been eating nothing but bread and potatoes and it has made absolutely no difference. (until yesterday, when I went insane and ate like half a bag of leftover Halloween candy. But let's draw a veil over that one.)

I also have constant pelvic pain -- sometimes this awful dull gnawing ache, sometimes like unusually bad menstrual cramps. Sometimes -- but not all of the time -- I have a sharp piercing pain (not burning) when I pee. My husband and I don't have sex anymore because the last few times we tried it was so painful for me I started bawling. For the last couple years, sex has been gradually more painful and I usually bleed afterwards. I always mention this each year at my pelvic exam/Pap and get only "Interesting. Pay your co-pay at the desk on your way out."

The longer I've been off birth control, the worse my periods have gotten. My first period off birth control was right on schedule, but it lasted for a week and a half. The next period was two weeks. The one after that was two weeks and two days. About a week after my last period, I had the worst attack I've ever had, and in the middle of it started bleeding like I was having my period. It wasn't much, though, maybe 1/2 t or so of bright red blood. The next day I had another really bad attack and had a LOT of blood, including a ton of thick almost black clots. Next day? No blood at all.

So I was finally freaked out enough to go to the doctor. I got in the next day and the first thing she said after hearing my tale of woe was if I had gotten checked out for endometriosis before. I said no. So she is sending me to a gynecologist. I don't get in until the 23rd of this month, which is actually pretty fast for this guy, but which right now feels like an eternity for me. The doctor did do a bunch of bloodwork for some hormone tests or something, but they hadn't gotten the results back yet last time I called.

I know nothing about endo. I did a little reading on it, just the basic info on like WebMD and Yahoo health. Superficially the symptom list is dead-on, but I guess that I'm not so sure these stupid pain episodes quite match up. Is what I'm experiencing maybe some kind of uterine contractions?? The only other time in my life I've had similar pain was when I had a miscarriage five years ago. When I wasn't in the bathroom I was curled in a fetal position on my bed wishing I were dead.

I did a search on the boards for endometriosis and didn't come up with much that was too helpful.

Anyway, I'm not asking for a diagnosis, but I want to be super-aggressive with the gynecologist to make sure I get stuff ruled out. So, I also read that you need to have a laproscopy done to truly be diagnosed with endo. If the gyno tells me he doesn't think I have endo, should I stamp my foot and say "Give me the laproscopy first!!!"? And since I'm at the gyno's anyway, should I bring up ovarian cancer since it's also mixed up with endo and IBS? I don't want to sound like a hypochondriac who spends too much time on the Internet looking up diseases, but at the same time, I'd rather be a hypochondriac than dead. The only thing is I think there isn't a reliable screening for ovarian cancer, just the CA-125 blood test which isn't that accurate. So I'm not sure how you'd actually rule out that one. I know, I should go Google it.

I also got put on 500mg Relafen twice a day. It's no miracle drug, but boy, has it helped. It's a NSAID and should theoretically be tearing up my guts, but I actually feel much better on it. It doesn't do a whole lot for the vicious attacks, but it helps quite a bit with the day-to-day stuff.

Sorry the novel. Any thoughts are appreciated ...

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Re: girl problems new
      #223427 - 11/06/05 04:37 PM
meep

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My first thought was endometriosis. I've had laproscopic surgery for that before. It did wonders for the pain and I actually had a very mild case. They'll probably do a pelvic sonogram (internal sonogram...not the on-the-top-of-the-stomach kind) first though. It will at least reveal if there is anything there that shouldn't belong where it is! If you've never had one before (I've had a couple) just laugh and tell the tech to make the thing vibrate and you'll be a happy woman! lololol hehe

Hopefully, the ob/gyn you're going to see is not the same one you are currently seeing for your regular yearly check ups. That one definitely needs to be replaced....quickly!


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Re: girl problems new
      #223445 - 11/06/05 05:50 PM
Passanie

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Oh honey! You are going through hell. I am so sorry. This definitely doesn't sound ibs related. IBS ain't that bad! (never thought I'd say that!!) You definitely need to demand answers. If you don't get them, go down your list of possibilities. No one deserves to be in this much pain. (and you may just be right, my gp swore I had allergies and wanted to send me to an allergist, but I knew I didn't and I ended up being right.)

Poor thing. I don't have any experience with endo, but man, if you don't get the answers you need, demand a second opinion. good luck.

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Re: girl problems new
      #223562 - 11/07/05 01:20 PM
lj

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Jen,

I just saw this today. I wanted to give some input since I have had my share of female troubles. Have you ever had an ovarian cyst? Have you ever had an ultrasound to check for them? Cysts can be wicked painful and D can just be a side effect. I had a cyst on my ovary that was about 10X bigger than the ovary itself. The ovary finally rotated and fell because of the weight and of course it had to come out. OUCH!!!!! I don't want to scare you but maybe you could see some one before the 23rd just ot get a pelvic exam and ultrasound to make sure you don't have something like that going on. Maybe you could see a GP now and still keep the appointment with the gyno if he is supposed to especially good. If I was in as much pain as you, I would stop at nothing to find the cause. So what if the doctors think you're a basket case. My doctors always do, but not so much now that they understand I have been very sick and they tend to take me more seriously when I have a complaint. My doctor still calls me a stress dog (whatever that is) but who cares! I'd rather be thought of as a little strange than dead like you said. I would also inquire seriously about ovarian cancer. I think that being young and looking fairly healthy can really work against you when visiting the doctor, but be persistent and don't let them brush you off! I feel so bad for you because of all the pain. I've been there. Good luck with finding out what it is. I would definitely be leary of travel at this time. Please see some one ASAP!

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Re: girl problems new
      #223580 - 11/07/05 02:16 PM
KinOz

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Hi Jen,

I must admit that half way through your post before you mentioned it I was thinking endo too.

I have been checked for it several times and gotten the all clear as in the past i've had similiar cramping pains which end in D. I didn't have endo but I did have a large ovarian cyst.

I always think that anything period related going on can affect/upset the IBS. I know there have been quite a few posts on that.

My periods have always been so irregular and I had major fertility struggles but since having my second son I've had a period every month and I can really notice the way it affects the IBS.

I would think that once you get this issue diagnosed and treated the cramping attacks will be a lot better.

Good luck and I definately agree that the doc you've been seeing for the yearly paps should be replaced!

Good Luck
Kerrie

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thanks, ladies ... new
      #223598 - 11/07/05 03:47 PM
jen1013

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I didn't think about an ovarian cyst. Yuck. But that seems like more comforting than endo. I did have an abdominal CAT scan back in August of 2004 and it didn't show anything. Guess I'm not sure if it would.

You know, though, since I've had all these tests that came back negative, I sort of have this "oh, there's not anything really wrong" thing lurking at the back of my mind. So while what's happening now scares me, and when I'm having an attack I feel miserable and terrified, at the same time I keep thinking that suddenly I'll just feel fine again. If it turns out I really do have a problem (in addition to IBS), I think I'll pass out from shock.

I actually don't have an ob-gyn ... I go to my GP for my yearly pelvic/pap. I meant to go to one this year since I wanted to get pregnant soon, but just haven't gotten around to it. Going in somewhere else isn't really an option at this point since my appointment is only a little over two weeks away, and I'm not going to get in anywhere else much faster. My GP specifically sent me to the gyno because she felt out of her league, so there's no good going back there.

So until then, I will just try to hang on. I had another attack today and had to stay home from work. It was a little overdue, actually, so the irrational "maybe it'll just go away" hope had started creeping in again.

The doctor's office called today with the blood test results and reported everything was OK except I am a little anemic. But I forgot to ask what she tested for. I know she was testing some hormone stuff, so all that must be OK. I'm not sure how much you can test w/ blood, though. Ugh, I am so uneducated.

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I don't believe this new
      #224453 - 11/11/05 08:37 PM
jen1013

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I am getting my period AGAIN. I just bled buckets a week ago. Where the !@#$ is all this coming from????? AGGGGGHHHHHH

sorry I feel so helpless. I'm cramping again and will probably spend half of tomorrow in the bathroom.

this sucks so much!

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So wait... new
      #224462 - 11/11/05 09:59 PM
epa_ginger

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ARE you getting checked for endometrioisis?? I had a screwy schedule a few years ago (I'd have a period, then 45 days later another, then 15 days another one...) and went on the pill to regulate. I went off when I got married, and have been off since, and my cycle has evened off so I'm pretty regular.

I know my sister in law has polycystic ovary disease but she had NO period, not excessive bleeding. I would definitely pursue this, especially since you want to get pregnant soon. Good luck with that. I'm hypersensitive about that area of my body because I want to have a baby soon too. Don't worry about sounding like a hypochondriac. Who cares, as long as you can find out what the problem is. Much better to be proactive.

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Re: So wait... new
      #224487 - 11/12/05 08:30 AM
jen1013

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Yes, I'm going to get checked out for endo. But my appointment isn't until the 23rd.

I've been on birth control pretty much non-stop for the last five years. Before that, my cycles were always very regular. I did try going off BC when I first started experiencing mild IBS problems. I didn't give it long enough, only a couple months. That was when my IBS got bad, and I started breaking out, and my periods were getting rough, so I went back on the pill.

Up until the last couple weeks, I just figured I was going through an adjustment period for going off the pill, but the longer I've been off, the more horrible it's becoming. So I don't know what's going on.

Good luck on the baby-making!! Have you decided yet if you're going to stay at work full-time, or are you going to try to get part-time at least for a little while?

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You poor thing! new
      #224490 - 11/12/05 08:42 AM
Snorkie

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Oh, Jen! I don't have any advice whatsoever. Though I've gone through a fair amount (for me anyway) with my health this year, I haven't had to endure anything like what you are dealing with. I just wanted to say I'll be thinking good thoughts for you.

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Re: So wait... new
      #224498 - 11/12/05 10:36 AM
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Well, I told my boss a few months back that my husband and I wanted to start a family soon, and working full time just wouldn't work for us. And he said "I'm open to that!" so I said good! So I'm thinking once I finally get pregnant, I'll sit down with him and figure out a schedule. My ideal is 2 days at the office and one at home, but we'll see. The problem is I'll still need to figure out child care for those 2 days. I'm hoping that I can find someone I know at least, but I'm trying not to let that problem stop me now.

So of course now that we've decided I can barely think of anything else. And the trouble is, my husband was in Detroit all last week, but has to go back Monday, for a few days, and I think next week is a "good" week for us to try, you know? But he can't change it, and I don't want to stress him with that fact so I haven't told him. We wanted this to be a low pressure thing (at least at first) so no sense making him think about it if I already am!


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Re: So wait... new
      #224519 - 11/12/05 02:28 PM
jen1013

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That's great that your boss is understanding like that. I think my boss would be willing to do it, but I don't think my company will let him. So I am definitely going to ask, but not until I'm already pregnant.

How many kids do you think you'll want? How long do you think you'll be doing part-time?

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Re: So wait... new
      #224528 - 11/12/05 04:17 PM
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I think I'll want 3+ kids....and I'd probably want to do part-time until they were a bit older. So I'd guess a long time!! Who knows, maybe part-time forever if we can afford it. (I sure wouldn't mind!) What about you?

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Re: So wait... new
      #224529 - 11/12/05 04:26 PM
jen1013

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wow! 3+! what does your husband want? My husband says 2 and that's it. I want more. But, I kind of think that once I experience childbirth, I might be just fine with only having two. How long do you plan to wait in between? Or whatever happens, happens?

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Try doing a search for "endo"... new
      #224669 - 11/13/05 05:24 PM
Nelly

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... it's what we call it here. If you do a search for Nelly and endo on all boards, no time limit, you'll get everything I've posted on the subject. Your gut pain sounds just like mine, unf...

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Re: So wait... new
      #224776 - 11/14/05 08:37 AM
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My husband comes from a big extended family...his parents have 10 brothers and sisters---each! So he likes the idea of a big family. But his aunt is having her 7th in about 5 months and we both agree that's too many--at least for us.

I probably won't wait long in between the first two, I know my mom always said she liked that my brother and I were only 17 months apart...and then my younger brother came 5 years later. So we'll see. I know for sure, that god willing, I'll have more than 2. For some reason, that just isn't enough for me! I like the idea of having things a bit unbalanced.

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Nelly new
      #224915 - 11/14/05 03:24 PM
jen1013

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I did do a search for endo ... actually, I searched for endo + laparoscopy because what I was really wondering was if I should be insisting on getting the laparoscopy done. Or something else. But I didn't get any answers from what I did turn up. Unless maybe it's because I'm not the only one who keeps misspelling laparoscopy??? How did you get diagnosed w/ endo?

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Re: So wait... new
      #225832 - 11/17/05 04:40 PM
Snow for Sarala

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I just want to say "yay" for big fams!!!

I have been told by the medical community I will not having kids for now. They hope to find meds that are birthing safe for women with bipolar...so we'll see....

Hubby and I might adopt. If we do, we have talked about adopting one child every 2 years or so till we reach like 4 kids.

Anyhow...just wanted to chime in! yay for mommie hood!

*hugs*

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Re: Nelly new
      #225834 - 11/17/05 04:41 PM
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When I was 14 and started getting my periods, I had horrible pain that left me sidelined for about 5 days every month. I told the doctors it was like 1000 tiny fishhooks piercing my gut, all with fishlines pulling DOWN. The pain was constant and blinding, and predictably started 1 day before my period every 28 days. I wasn't bleeding very much, but the stuff that did come out of me was like somethin gout of Aliens... all veiny and membranes. Truely horrific. I was taking 36 advil at the time, as serious meds weren't available to me (Yeah, my parents don't BELIEVE in pain management for kids. )

Doctors told me the lining was forming mostly on the outside of my uterine wall instead of the inside, and that's what accounted for all the pain-- it was being reabsorbed into my bloodstream instead of coming out of me. This also accounted for the small flow.

I was treated with different bc pills-- first in the US where there are still only about 17 different kinds out there, then in France where over 100 are available (I went to France every year to visit my family over the summer, so that's where I got a lot of my treatment). I took all of the Orthos, plus some lighter estrogen ones and even the mini-pill. Unf, all of them made me bleed every day of the month, and gave me headaches which felt like I had an ax stuck in my skull.

Unf, they told me, you can't take estrogen. Well, s***! That sucks!

So when I heard about the progestrone shot (depo provera) I was the first in line when it got approved in the States. I've been on it constantly for the last 6 years (last period was in August '99, thank god!!! :grin), and all the endo symptoms, the cramping, PMS, etc. have dissappeared. I also have no more ovarian or uterine cysts (I had one that exploded when I was 14 or 15, truely a terrible experience).

A doctor can diagnose endo by you having the above symptoms, or if it seems that the tissue isn't being reabsorbed into your system, they can cut you open and scrape it off. Many women have this kind of surgery. I personally would rather set myself on fire, so I would rather control it with drugs. Hope I answered your questions!!

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Jen.. new
      #225835 - 11/17/05 04:42 PM
Snow for Sarala

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Hi, nice to meet you!!

Sorry I didn't see this post sooner...

a) def be aggressive with your doc. You are PAYING them to help you...you are SO worth it *hugs*

b) check out the ic network (do a search on google for the website). I have interstitial cystitis. They also explain definitions for many female probs out there as well as how to get diagnosed and treatments and it is AWESOME!!

c) just wanted to say hi :-)

Keep us posted ok? And keep asking questions too...

Love ya, Ruchie

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Re: Ovarian Cysts new
      #226311 - 11/20/05 08:09 AM
Summertime

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Don't know if this is where I should post, but in searching the message boards I found this post about ovarian cyst so I'll just reply to it with my question. (Sorry if in wrong place!)
At doctor appt (Went for abdominal pain, etc. since couldn't see gastro at the time. After gastro tests, found it's from Crohn's flare) she issued a pelvic ultrasound & bloodwork. At follow-up appt, dr. said everything looks okay. But when I read the ultrasound report later it said "possible ovarian cyst". I looked it up but still not sure what it all means (good or bad) and when I called dr. to ask what it means & that dr never mentioned it, they said she did bloodwork test & that was her way to let me know not cancerous (but bloodwork done before ultrasound; not after ultrasound results known) & that I can make another appt with dr to talk about it.
My question...shouldn't I have to have a follow-up on this possible ovarian cyst to check on it or something?
I feel like I don't even want to bother going back to this dr (new dr-have only been to 4 or so times because had to switch drs recently)& just find a new one (for this and other reasons...& you can never get through on phone and when you do, the phone people seem clueless & insensitive)
Sorry for the long post.







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