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You should equal quantity of SF and IF foods at the meal? Or should we aim for equal fiber amounts for each, which would mean more SF since they tend to be lower.
I would think a C person would need more IF than SF in a meal...or is that not eating safely? Can you count your Acacia as the SF?
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Augie - when I said an equal ratio of SF to IF .. I mean in the fiber amounts. The amoung of IF should be equal to the SF. And yes, for C people *eventually* it would be better to have a little more IF than SF ... but I think for someone who is just starting out, it would be better to start off with equal amounts first.
As far as counting your SFS ... here is what I do. I eat my meals with as much SF and IF as possible (in the food itself) ... I treat the SFS as a bonus. I don't really try and add up the fiber amounts between my actual food, and my supplement. Does that make sense?
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#216279 - 09/28/05 08:26 AM
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Augie
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You are saying you try to eat the same amount of grams of SF as IF in the meal...so if you had peas (4grms fiber) you would need to eat 4 grams worth of SF food?
Bob once posted that he thought we should eat 2 grams of IF to 1 gram of SF. Maybe everyone is different.
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I'm so glad I could help! I just tried to answer all of the questions I remember having when I was in your place. Yes, at the moment, I am fairly stable. As far as bloating goes, I still am struggling with that. Bloating has always been my biggest problem. But I also realized, that regular pooping and bloat, don't really correlate. After breaking the cycle, I too, did not have a BM for about a week!!  Some people on here have taken gentle stool softeners in the beginning to help get things going. Its kind of up to you. Honestly, if I had to say what I think really helped .. it would be the hot tea. At first I was kind of skeptical, and was just like "Eh whatever, its just hot liquid .. how much can it do?" But then i got so desperate, I started having a cup in the morning and in the evening. Also, I had a smoothie almost everyday (the blended IF made it really easy for my tummy to handle I think). The main veggies that I stuck to were zucchini, summer squash, and peas .. also, I used vegetable pasta sauces any time I had pasta. I eventually realized I was not drinking enough water .. and also, I came to the realization that I was not EATING enough either. Skipping meals and snacks was a big set-back for me. Without the food in my stomach, my body didn't have anything to work with ya know?
I would say, if you still haven't had a BM and you are completely uncomfortable, go ahead and take a safe, gentle stool softener. There is no reason for you to have be so miserable.
- Also, start drinking a cup of hot STRONG tea (fennel is best, but ginger and chamomile work well too) in the morning and in the evening .. really, the more the better. But remember, STRONG tea. I used 3 packets of tea in each cup.
- Definitely get your SFS amount up some more. I was up to a heaping teaspoon before things starting moving. (I take benefiber too)
- Drink water constantly .. limit your amount during meals a little bit though
- Also, if its possible, try and give yourself some quality time in a comfortable place. I found that being at work, or in a store, or even Barnes and Noble .. I was too distracted and subconsciously anxious, that my body wouldn't let a BM happen. It really helps to be somewhere where you are totally comfortable.
- Exercise! Even if it is minimal, anything will help! Moving around is key for Constipation. Shake that poopy up!!! 
- Also, eating "safe" foods isn't enough. You need to make sure that what you are eating is HIGH in fiber. No fiber, no poo. (I'm sure you know this already, but this was something I didnt pay attention to at first)
Also, one thing that confused me was all of the different things people were taking!! supplements, probiotics, prebiots this that everythingggg ... I dont know if that is something you are confused with as well, but if it is let me know. Elizabeth is a "Cer" and she is very stable. I emailed her and asked her about her daily regime. If you would like, I can forward you that email. I find it very helpful.
Let me know if you have any other questions!
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Ah, I haven't done this myself because I feel perfectly happy with eating them raw. But you could peel or not peel or half-peel 'em if you want something in the middle. 
--AC
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Yes I would love that email! Thank you, Crew. I'm trying to figure out what all stable Cers are doing on their own to maintain their diet successfully. welcometomynightmare87@hotmail.com ((from alice cooper. )
Yes, I am very confused. People are telling me to eat beans. Leave the skin on fruit. (Which confuses me, because I remember reading the site, and Heather tells us not to do those sorts of things.) And also now, I'm supposed to be eating all of this stuff, and not only do I have a very small stomach (can't tolerate large amounts of foods ..become easily full) but I don't know how to get enough IF and ...and ...AHHH
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Well, the reason they are probably telling you to eat beans and fruits with peels, is b/c these are good sources of IF.
Just something to kind of keep in mind ... many, if not majority of the people with IBS, are IBS-D .. including Heather. Although this diet works for all types, adjustments need to be made depending on what type you have. For example .. IF will worsen diarrhea .. therefore people who are IBS-D have to be very careful with it (This is why you will hear many IBS-D people speaking of how certain veggies or fruits with skin, give them a D attack!). But for people who are IBS-C, that extra PUSH is needed! In the BTC diet, Heather says no IF. This is so your stomach will calm down. But like I said earlier, in order to have BM's, we have to have IF. So, after the BTC diet, it is imperitive that you begin bringing IF into your diet again, slowly. Beans, whole grains, vegetables, and fruit skins are all sources of Insoluble Fiber. Some of these though, are harder to tolerate than others. And, depending on the person, certain ones will cause gas and bloating. This is where the trial and error comes in. You have to kind of test the waters and find out which IF foods work best for you.
As for your small appetite, this is something that can be worked around. Actually, small meals throughout the day are recommended for IBS! I have about six meals a day .. all small in size, but as high in fiber as possible. I almost always bring leftovers from the night before, as my lunch the next day. Breakfast is usually a smoothie at 9am, and then ONE of the following at about 11:00 or 11:30 (Oatmeal with berries; Pl Bagel with h/m fruit spread; Whole-grain cereal with toast;) I also keep baby carrots and mashed potatoes(made with the peel) for snacks. Plus, your SFS will eventually account for a large portion of your fiber intake. Luna Bars are great too! They have 3 grams of fiber and tons of protein .. and they're safe!
I will forward you that email right now! 
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Could you please forward Elizabeth's email to me as well? Pretty please with sugar on top! It's deerbeth@yahoo.com.
Thanks! Did you decide not to use the SuperSeed? Do you take any supplements at all...probiotic, fish oil, magnesium, Digestive Advantage? Or do you do it all by diet?
How are mashed potatoes with skin on them? Sounds sort of yucky...but I'll try it if it helps! 
What kind of whole grain cereal do you eat and do you eat wheat toast or white? Thanks for your great input!!!
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I sure can!
Yeah, I went against the SuperSeed. No specific reason really .. I just figured it wasn't anymore special than anything else out there. No, I haven't been on any supplements .. I've been doing it all just from food and my SFS. But, the D.A and magnesium are pretty tempting. We will see how things go. My bloating is really the only thing now that bothers me, and from what it sounds like, D.A. helps with that. I may try Acacia as well, as I have heard that helps.
You know, my boyfriend has always eaten his mashed potatoes with skins, and at first I thought that seemed soo yuck! But I tried it and it hardly tastes any different. Actually, if you season the skin with salt, pepper and some safe margerine, its BETTER with the skin! But yeah, I just chop em up, boil them, and mash!
I eat Frosted Mini Wheats as my whole grain cereal. But I also found this really great cereal. The brand is "Barbaras bakery" and it can be found in HFS's. The name of the cereal is Shredded Oats. It has Whole Oat flour and Whole wheat flour .. the fiber ratio is good for a C'er b/c its got 2g of SF and 3g of IF per serving (One serving is 1-1/4 C.) I don't have any problems with it.
The toast depends on what cereal I am having ... if the cereal is predominately IF, I will have white toast .. If its an SF cereal I will have wheat.
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