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nearly all IF - I guess that explains it. I do eat IF -- but for some reason -- lettuce does not get along with my gut.
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the chart had 0 SF for rice. Not even .2 or anything like some of this other stuff. Plus the quote mentions not to go by fiber charts -- why? Is there a reason they aren't accurate?
I know white bread definitely helps when I'm in a D attack, but white rice does not -- it tends to go straight through me. (Yes, I do chew my food!!!) So that's why I'm kind of obsessing on that. I have also made homemade rice milk and rice doesn't all turn into a gel -- there are all kinds of bits and pieces left behind.
Not expecting any answers from you, just kind of babbling.
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#215751 - 09/25/05 03:17 PM
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i think the smushable rule would work for starch, too. sometimes it seems like heather's diet treats SF and starch as the same thing. SF is proscribed for two uses, too - to create the happy 'gel' in your colon to help D and C (mostly SFS's do this), and to get your digestion going easily before you have harder to digest foods that could incite an attack (this is where low-SF foods that are mostly starch, like white bread, work, too).
this is mostly personal deduction, but also a little research... it seems to make sense, though i wish heather would address the lack of SF in the safe 'cushion' foods like white rice and bread that she refers to as SF foods.
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I got one of those from a gardener this summer. I've never seen a zucchini that big. (Actually I'm not sure I've ever seen any single food item that big.) I de-seeded mine also and after tasting it, I think I should have peeled it, too. My husband and I actually decided it wasn't really a zucchini - I guess we were wrong if you've seen the same phenomenon.
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First of all cheerios is spelled wrong, secondly it says apples have 1.5 total grams fiber 0 grams IF and 4.2g SF. That makes no sense. And oranges and grapefruits register so differently. And how can mushrooms have so much IF? They are just mush. And mashed pumpkin has so much IF! I think the list is a good resource to check with but not to rely on. It is better to rely on the experience of others with IBS. And remember it is right about fiber causing C without adequate liquid intake!
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"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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Those giant zucchinis are not really good for eating! They are good for baking, but are too woody-foamy to be used for eating. I seeded my last huge one before baking with it, but left the skin on, because it was so fluffy and that makes for nasty bread. Anyway zucchinis are best eaten small, with the peel and seeds if you can handle them and if they are small it should be fine when they are cooked. That is why deseeding and peeling an eating zucchini is sort of silly cullinary-speaking.
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"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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I think the reason Heather says to go by the smushable rule rather than charts is because charts are very often inaccurate, mostly I think because there hasn't been much research done into standardizing IF/SF amounts in food, rather than just 'total fiber' (I didn't even notice all those spelling mistakes and discrepancies - thanks for pointing that out Tamara!  ).
The smushable rule, and the experiences of others, are pretty reliable though - IF is the fiber that gives things form and structure. So the easier it is to mash, the less IF is in there, plain and simple. For example, it would be pretty easy to mash up cooked zucchnini flesh, but almost impossible to mash the skin. That's because the skin is loaded with IF, giving it a form and structure. Also, once things are mashed, you break up that structure, making the IF that is in there easier to digest. So, for example, mashing beans makes them easier to digest without actually removing any of the IF because the chains and structures of the IF are broken up. Same for, say, cooked vs. raw carrots.
Hope that helps a little 
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#215774 - 09/25/05 06:19 PM
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There is a big difference between the amount of fiber recommended TOTAL, from SFS and from food, and the amount recommended JUST from SFS. Heather recommends that C's get that much from acacia, but she expects, I would imagine, that you're getting more still from food. You still need to eat good fiber-rich foods (both SF and IF) - it's not healthy to rely on supplements for *any* nutrients, macronutrients etc. ~50g of total fiber a day is not a bad number at all. I usually get that much (IF and SF together) before I even add in the fiber I'm getting from my acacia.
What limit are you referring to? I'm not sure who you're talking about when you say "it says that as a result your C will get worse..." ....
At any rate, I wouldn't take this chart to be gospel - there's lots of other ones available that (frustratingly!) will tell you very conflicting information. Best to go by the "smushable" rule, as Heather says.
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I didn't notice the mistakes either. Thanks for pointing them out.
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Re: Bob
#215821 - 09/26/05 04:58 AM
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Laurel, Under Toxicity, they say if you take in more than 50
grams of total fiber that will promote C, D, or spastic colon
disorder. That's the limit I was refering to. Thanks for
your clarification! -Bob
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