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Why does it take so long for IBS C?
      #193618 - 07/09/05 11:20 AM
Lucrece

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I haven't started, but I've heard that it takes a long time to stabalize for IBS C. But why? I can understand, 2 weeks to get the insoluble food out of your system, but why should it take any longer afterwards if your eating correctly?

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Re: Why does it take so long for IBS C? new
      #193625 - 07/09/05 11:55 AM
Sand

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Here's my theory.

If I'm reading Heather right, IBS is basically abnormal gastrocolic contractions. In normal people, the digestive system moves stuff along smoothly; in IBSers, the digestive system goes into violent spasms. For those with D, the spasms cause the colon to expel it's contents too rapidly. For those with C, the spasms cause the colon to lock up in a "charley horse" and nothing moves. IBS-D and IBS-C people both need to get their colons to stop spasming. That's where soluble fiber comes in: it doesn't trigger a violent gastrocolic reflex when you eat it AND it fills your colon with a nice gel stuff that keeps the colon spasms from being able to get a foothold. (Think about a closed toothpaste tube. If it's full, you can't really bear down on it; if it's partly empty you can squish it good.)

For IBS-D people, that's it. Our colon movement tends to force stuff out, so if we can just get enough SF in us to stop the violent spasming, the colon movement can continue but more calmly. In a sense, I suspect IBS-D colons with enough SF are still doing exactly what they did pre-SF, but more calmly. Spasms gone, D gone, life is good. (Okay, not quite that simple, but you get the idea.)

For IBS-C, colon spasms tend to lock up and not force stuff out, so you guys have a two-step process. You have to get enough SF in you to stop the spasming totally - spasming is bad because in you it locks up - and that's a LOT of SF. Once you've done that, though, you also have to get enough IF to tell the colon to move and move normally - just like non-IBSers do. That's quite a balancing act. Too little SF, the colon spasms. Too much IF, the colon spasms. Too little IF, the colon doesn't spasm but it's also disinclined to move at all. (You probably need a lot of water and exercise, also.)

In other words, IBS-D people can live with an overactive colon by reining in the spasms a little with some SF. IBS-C people need to get their colons totally out of spasm mode with a lot of SF, then treat them like normal colons by getting IF (but not too much), water, and exercise.

So that's my theory about why IBS-C takes longer to resolve than IBS-D and why it's trickier to manage. (On which one is worse, though, I agree with AmandaPanda: it's a choice between being burned alive or eaten by sharks.)

As a side issue, I've noticed a number of posts lately about STC (slow transit constipation, slow transit colon), slow motility, etc. If I'm reading things right, STC if NOT the same as IBS. In fact, it's the exact opposite. IBS is a hyperactive colon; STC seems to be an almost inactive one.

HTH.

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Re: Why does it take so long for IBS C? new
      #193861 - 07/10/05 01:31 PM
Lucrece

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Wow. Thanks, I appreciate the detailed explanation. The diet for IBS C seems more complicated, which does intimidate me. I know for sure that Im going to screw up while Im trying to balance the SF and IF in my diet. Ahh.
But as for STC, I'm not familiar with that. But I do indeed feel colon spasms -while Im trying to sleep especially.
I just hope I'll do things right the first time.

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Re: Why does it take so long for IBS C? new
      #193869 - 07/10/05 02:09 PM
Sand

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Well, I don't think anyone on the Board I've heard about did things right the first time, so I wouldn't worry too much about that. Heather's guidelines are great, but there's still a lot of trial and error involved. (I can't tell you how many times I ate stuff with whole wheat in it before I finally admitted I just can't handle any of it at all.)

As an IBS-D, my problem with the diet is that it's too easy to just eat soluble fiber - not really the best idea for health - so there are tricky spots on both sides of the aisle.

As for being intimidated by the balancing act, just do the best you can. If you feel like you're not getting enough SF or IF or whatever, you can always post questions, ask for help. I try to think about just eating normally within the bounds of the diet: eat the IF foods you like, just be sure to get SF in first and take your SFS.

Take care.

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I think you've got it now! new
      #193871 - 07/10/05 02:12 PM
Linz

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C's just have much more of an issue with the balancing act. For example, although I'm actually A, my attacks were D...so when I was totally unstable and first found Heather, I didn't eat IF for at least a month! Now if a C had done that, you'd be soooooo bunged up, but it was a great tactic for stopping my major D.

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