Day 3 please look... made the changes but sick again
#173629 - 04/25/05 07:12 PM
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I need to know if anyone sees anything at all wrong with what I ate today. If not I'll be patient and just keep going until (maybe) I feel better. I need to know so I can tell my doc that I'm eating correctly so he knows whether to concentrate on my stomach or my intenstines (or both).
Thanks!!
Today:
Quit smoking the dang 2 cigs a day. I want to do this by the book. This is what I ate and just like last night I started feeling nauseaous and getting really bad bloating after dinner. It seems to peak at 8pm or so.
BR 7am: 1 cup FF low sugar corn flakes
1/2 banana and 1/2c rice milk
SN 9am: 6 FF saltines, 1/2c rice and 1/4 cup mushrooms sauteed in FF broth.
LN 12pm: 1/2c rice and 1/4 cup mushrooms sauteed in FF broth.
SN 2pm: 1/2 banana
DN 6pm: 2 small slices french bread, 2 fortune cookies and 5 arrowroot cookies.
I also had 3 c fennel/camomille plain spread out through the day and 1 cup peppermint/ginger w/ 8 drops of stevia after dinner to try to settle my tum. (didn't work)
Between the tea and the water I had 64oz which is a huge amount for me considering my stomach problem. And I'm still not voiding even with 3 doses miralax and zelnorm twice everyday. (sigh)  I want this to work SO badly. If I should be posting this to the fitness board please let me know. It's not just an accounting of what I ate, it's getting it down right.
Total cals for the day 860, fat 8%
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Not to be discouraging, but it does take time.  I won't even tell you how long it took me to feel better... but I definitely don't want you to lose hope! It takes longer than a few days, for the vast majority of people, to feel better, but the results in the long-term are worth it.
Your food looks good to me, by the way... I can't see anything in there that would have specifically caused an IBS problem. Your system just needs to calm down, and that might take a little while.
Hang in there! And don't worry - you can keep "reporting" here, that's perfectly fine. 
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Wendy
#173649 - 04/25/05 07:50 PM
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Quit smoking the dang 2 cigs a day. I want to do this by the book.
Good for you!
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I also had 3 c fennel/camomille plain spread out through the day and 1 cup peppermint/ginger w/ 8 drops of stevia after dinner to try to settle my tum. (didn't work)
My advice here is lose the stevia all together. If you don't like the tea plain use plain white (or brown) sugar instead.
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Between the tea and the water I had 64oz which is a huge amount for me considering my stomach problem.
Nice job!
Everything you've eaten today seems relatively safe except for the stevia. So here are some of my thoughts.
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Total cals for the day 860, fat 8%
You are eating an EXTREMELY small amount of food here at 860 calories. Is this because you're feeling so ill? It's my guess that your stomach is staying mostly empty most of the day and never getting filled up, thus it's always staying in a 'vulnerable' position - anything on an empty or half-empty stomach is going to be less safe than on a full stomach. Additionally, you need lots of soluble fiber, with every meal yes but also all day. I can see how it might be kind of difficult to get a good total amount of fiber to line your gut on these few calories. Just a guess.
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If not I'll be patient and just keep going until (maybe) I feel better... This is what I ate and just like last night I started feeling nauseaous and getting really bad bloating after dinner. It seems to peak at 8pm or so.
When I first started the diet (about a year ago now) it took about 2 weeks to really start noticing real results - ESPECIALLY with bloating, which has to be the toughest symptom to manage. The fact that your bloating is pretty regular at 8pm says to me that your body is still adjusting, and that there really isn't anything major in your daily diet that's literally TRIGGERING the bloating. For me, the diet immediately stopped triggered-attacks (but I'm D so it's a bit more obvious), but bloating and cramping persisted for A WHILE - and I still get that fairly frequently. If you're only on day 3, I'd say give it time. Probably not what you wanted to hear but things will get better
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If I should be posting this to the fitness board please let me know. It's not just an accounting of what I ate, it's getting it down right.
Nope I'd say this is the right board since you're looking for advice on the diet.
Hope this helped a bit!
...and hope you're feeling better soon too!
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It looks pretty good to me too. I'm new at this too, so I always read other people's accounting and then the responses, to see if I might be making the same mistake.
Things to check:
Just be sure the "low-sugar" in the cereal doesn't mean "has sugar substitutes". It probably doesn't, but you never know, they crop up everywhere these days.
Also, be sure you checked the bread, fortune cookies, and arrowroot cookies for triggers. They are very very good staples, but I just came to the realization myself that even some brands of staples have triggers. The arrowroot cookie brand I bought the first time had dairy, but I didn't realize it because I knew arrowroot cookies were recommended. I think almost all arrowroot cookies are fine though, I just happened to pick the wrong brand.
I also agree that being "empty" makes you more vulnerable, but I'm in the same position of hardly being able to eat. It's a tough balance...I'm working at inching towards more food, but *very* slowly.
Good luck! Seems you are going quite well...
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That's probably a bit harder to give up then beef, for example. 
I'm agreeing with everyone else on the diagnosis. Give it more time and maybe try to eat more.
Good luck and keep up the good work!
Myra
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I agree too. Just double check the cereal, cookies, bread and broth ingredients...triggers get sneaked in all over the place! 
Otherwise, for you, you did real good!  Is this an okay amount of food with your GP? Have you considered doing more SF smoothies and soups...would that help you get more cals in or not?
Keep going with the fennel tea...it is so good for IBS bloating. Not sure how it would cope with the GP, but it can't hurt (much) and it'll be better at combating the bloating and over-full feeling than peppermint or ginger.
Keep it up!
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Total cals for the day 860, fat 8%
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You are eating an EXTREMELY small amount of food here at 860 calories. Is this because you're feeling so ill? It's my guess that your stomach is staying mostly empty most of the day and never getting filled up, thus it's always staying in a 'vulnerable' position - anything on an empty or half-empty stomach is going to be less safe than on a full stomach. Additionally, you need lots of soluble fiber, with every meal yes but also all day. I can see how it might be kind of difficult to get a good total amount of fiber to line your gut on these few calories. Just a guess.
It's just the opposite actually. When your stomach is is paralyzed (gastroparesis) a meal can stay in your stomach for days. Also you feel full after eating just a little. It's kind of like having a forced stomach stapling. I know when my stomach is empty because I can feel it, and it growls which doesn't happen too often. But the good thing is that I'm actually eating more than before this diet and keeping the food down because it's easy to digest. I was eating a liquid only diet for several months. Liquid empties just from gravity. Maybe this diet will help with that too. The same foods are recommended for GP (gastroparesis). I don't think I could tolerate hardly any food before this diet because my liquid was milk and whey powder.
Thank you all for the feedback!!!!! 
Wendy in Oklahoma
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I don't know about you but I cannot eat banana's. They's send me into an attack every time.
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Is this an okay amount of food with your GP? Have you considered doing more SF smoothies and soups...would that help you get more cals in or not?
Keep going with the fennel tea...it is so good for IBS bloating. Not sure how it would cope with the GP, but it can't hurt (much) and it'll be better at combating the bloating and over-full feeling than peppermint or ginger.
Keep it up!
With GP you eat what you can. I try to shoot for 1200 cal minimum but that doesn't always happen. I need to go shop for chicken quarters and make some soup. And I'm going to practice more smoothies. My banana ones turn out slimy unless I put lots of ice in them. Thanks for the tea advice!!
Wendy in Oklahoma
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Is the GP not what makes you stay full too long...or is that something else? Sorry, bit new to all them.
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Gastroparesis which is referred to as paralyzed stomach causes slowed transit time. It's basically the same as having IBS-D, but in your stomach. When you have IBS-D your intestinal emptying is delayed and you end up with food sitting in there because it takes so long to get anything to come out. It ferments in there and causes all the problems.
Gastroparesis is the same thing. The muscles in your stomach don't contract and hydrochloric is usually absent so you don't digest food easily (or not at all). So it just sits there. If it sits long enough and you continue eating you get to the point where you can't eat at all because you are too full. You never know when your stomach will empty.
If the food stays in there too long, or if you eat something that's a GP trigger you get sick (like morning sickness or stomach flu) and vomit.
It's a weird disease. I hope this made some sense.
Wendy in Oklahoma
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This may help the to kick in the digestive process??
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Maybe in the form of the rice powder or some egg whites.
And bananas can be awful for some folks, like it has been mentioned. I'm pretty sure they cause me constipation and indigestion. Plus, they fill me up and seem to just sit there, more so than other foods!
Oh, Wendy, doesn't GP just stink! I too find that it usually hits me 1/2 way into dinner. Actually, I'm really full before dinner, but eat because I need the cals. And sometimes my tummy growls even though I feel full. Does that ever happen to you?
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Do we need to limit the amount we drink too? I have been trying to drink as much as I can tolerate because I have such bad Constipation. But is this making me feel too full to be able to eat? 
Do I need to limit the drinking too? If so, how will I prevent myself from getting no BMs at all! I couldn't handle that!
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According to my reading of Heather's "The First Year", IBS-D results from too many gastrocolic contractions (also too prolonged and too violent), while IBS-C results from too few. This sounds like the opposite of what you're saying about IBS-D. Or did I misunderstand something somewhere?
Your description of GP makes perfect sense. I'm so sorry you're having to deal with this.
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According to my reading of Heather's "The First Year", IBS-D results from too many gastrocolic contractions (also too prolonged and too violent), while IBS-C results from too few.
This is exactly correct. Thanks and sorry if explained it wrong. It's a complicated disease because it is so diffreent for everyone. Here is link of basic info if anyone is curious. It's a short read. One paragraph on the main page, then click at the top "Gastroparesis Info" and there's another couple of paragraphs:
G-Pact.org
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I don't know about you but I cannot eat banana's. They's send me into an attack every time.
I just read today that bananas are on the BRAT diet for diahrrea. "Bananas, rice, applesauce and toast"
I'm eating all those foods because that was on the list to eat.
Oh good Lord. Now I don't know what to eat.
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I've not heard of this on the GP boards. You would have to ask your doctor.
Wendy in Oklahoma
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Maybe in the form of the rice powder or some egg whites.
And bananas can be awful for some folks, like it has been mentioned. I'm pretty sure they cause me constipation and indigestion. Plus, they fill me up and seem to just sit there, more so than other foods!
Oh, Wendy, doesn't GP just stink! I too find that it usually hits me 1/2 way into dinner. Actually, I'm really full before dinner, but eat because I need the cals. And sometimes my tummy growls even though I feel full. Does that ever happen to you?
I'm not doing protein right now. I'm only on day 3 of the break the cycle diet. I'll eventually try rice powder or egg white protein.
I'm sure some people tummy growls when they are full. If it was me I would not eat more to get calories in when I was already full. It makes me sicker. There are days I don't eat at all to let the food get out of my system.
Yes even just water can fill you up. I'm doing ok w/ the liquids for now, but there are times I just can't get in what I should unless I'm on a liquid diet.
If you need more calories w/ less bulk I would see if your doctor can get you w/ a nutritionist that can help. I think that's what I will have to do.
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Do we need to limit the amount we drink too? I have been trying to drink as much as I can tolerate because I have such bad Constipation. But is this making me feel too full to be able to eat?
I really think you need to see a gastroenterologist. There is no answer that works for eveyone. There are too many degrees of GP to guess. Only you know how you feel when you eat or drink. I'm so surprised you Dr has not been over this with you. But then again I can believe it.
I eat what I can, and I drink what I can. If things get too bad I see the doctor. That's why I'm on 2 different "C" medications. Miralax and zelnorm.
Wendy in Oklahoma
Do I need to limit the drinking too? If so, how will I prevent myself from getting no BMs at all! I couldn't handle that!
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except my post! Did you mean to reply something?
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Welcome Wendy! *hugs*
You seem like such a sincere, genuine person and I am so sorry you are suffering so *hugs*
I'd like to suggest a food diary. Some days I can eat certain things and some days not. For ex. I just had a banana on an empty tummy and I went too long without eating  and it gave me heartburn. This is because I was too hungry for too long and I ate too fast....NOT because I can't eat bananas. there ARE flks that cannot tolerate bananas. Then there are folks that live by em'.
It's sooooo frustrating when you are just starting out. You have no idea what is safe for YOU...
Keep posting. You WILL figure it out. I know...it's rough right now. But you're gonna get better....and we're all praying for you.
Hang in there...lots of love, Ruchie
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You might want to change your cereal. Low sugar FF corn flakes are not acceptable for IBS. You can eat Kix, Rice or Corn Chex, Cheerios, but not corn flakes. Also, saltines are not good per Heather's recommendations. Try graham crackers instead. Also, I'm not sure, but mushrooms may be a IBS trigger.
I've had IBS for about a year now and I'm C. I finally feel like I've stabilized, but I still have my bad days. Just keep a careful eye on what you eat and how it reacts to your body, while making sure you follow the diet to a tee. It's not easy since some things that Heather says are good for you, may not agree with you. If that's the case, cross that off your list and try something else on her list.
Good luck!!
Carol
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except my post! Did you mean to reply something?
I put my response inside the quote box by mistake. I responded. Just read past your part
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Thanks Ruchie! I use www.fitday.com and track everything I eat. It's totally free w/ no pop-ups and adds your cals, nutrients and everything, It will even track you fitness. I've been using it for 3 years. What is flks ?
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Oh...sorry...to clarify: as a food diary I mean to keep track of how what you eat makes you feel!
I mispelled folks there
Keep posting...you're doing super! 
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You might want to change your cereal. Low sugar FF corn flakes are not acceptable for IBS. You can eat Kix, Rice or Corn Chex, Cheerios, but not corn flakes. Also, saltines are not good per Heather's recommendations. Try graham crackers instead. Also, I'm not sure, but mushrooms may be a IBS trigger.Good luck!! Carol
I know everyone tolerates different things. I was just going by Heather's lists below. I'm definetly going to try what you said about crossing things off and trying others. It's hard at first because you don't know what is triggering you, and maybe nothing is if it's been severe for a long time. I appreciate your comments and eveyone elses. You all are the BEST!
Safe Foods To Eat When You Can't Eat Anything
* White breads (such as French or sourdough), not whole wheat or multi-grain
* Toasted plain bagels
* Toasted plain English muffins
* Cream of Rice cereal
* Pretzels (salted or unsalted)
* Fat-free saltines
* Fat-free fortune cookies
* Plain angel food cake, homemade or from a mix
* Plain baked potatoes (without the skin)
* Plain white rice
* Arrowroot crackers
* Cold fat-free cereal such as Corn Chex, Kix, Rice Chex, Rice Krispies, Honeycomb, or Corn Pops, eaten dry.
* Homemade dried or fresh bananas
* Plain cooked pasta (not egg), sprinkled with a little salt
* Lots and lots of strong hot peppermint, fennel, chamomile, or ginger tea
And this list:
Rice
Pasta and noodles
Oatmeal
Barley
Fresh white breads such as French or sourdough (NOT whole wheat or whole grain)*
Rice cereals
Flour tortillas
Soy
Quinoa
Corn meal
Potatoes
Carrots
Yams
Sweet potatoes
Turnips
Rutabagas
Parsnips
Beets
Squash and pumpkins
Mushrooms
Chestnuts
Avocados (though they do have some fat)
Bananas
Applesauce
Mangoes
Papayas (also digestive aids that relieve gas and indigestion)
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