Sweet & Sour Cabbage Soup
#485 - 02/06/03 09:19 PM
|
|
|
|
steather
Reged: 01/29/03
Posts: 345
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
|
|
|
I figured I would go ahead and submit one of my favorite soup recipes - I made it again last night and we gobbled it up! I love cabbage, and since it cooks for so long in the soup, it doesn't bother my tummy at all. Feel free to adjust/substitute at will! It works fine if you split in half as well.
Sweet and Sour Cabbage Stew with Meatballs
2 medium onions
2 Tbs. olive oil
14 1/2 oz. canned whole tomatoes
1 large head green cabbage
5 cups chicken broth
1/3 cup light brown sugar
1/3 cup fresh lemon juice
2 Tbs. tomato paste
1 1/4 tsp. Salt
1/2 tsp. ground allspice
1/4 tsp. paprika
black pepper
dash hot pepper sauce
Mince 12 ounces peeled onion. Heat oil in large pot. When hot, add onion and cook til soft, about 5 minutes. Drain liquid from tomatoes into pot. Coarsely chop tomatoes. Cut cabbage into I-inch chunks. Add tomatoes, cabbage, stock, sugar, lemon juice, tomato paste, salt, allspice, paprika, black pepper and hot sauce to pot. Bring to boil,
then cover and simmer 30 minutes. Meanwhile, make meatballs. When soup has cooked 30 minutes drop in meatballs and simmer uncovered until cooked, about 10 minutes. Adjust seasoning as well as sugar and lemon juice balance. Serve hot.
Meatballs
1 lb. ground turkey or chicken (white meat, no skin)
1-cup fresh bread crumbs
2 Tbs. onion
1/3 cup soy or rice milk
scant tsp. salt
1/2 tsp. dried tarragon
1/2 tsp. ground coriander
1/4 tsp. ground allspice
1/4 tsp. dried marjoram
black pepper
Combine turkey/chicken, bread crumbs, minced onion, soy milk, salt, spices, and pepper in bowl (or food processor). Shape into 36 small balls, using about 1 tablespoon of mixture for each.
--------------------
Heather
"Quod me Nutrit me Destruit"
Edited by Heather (12/27/03 04:12 PM)
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
I can't eat red meat, would chicken substituted be ok?
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Instead of the chuck try ground skinless chicken breast or TVP (textured vegetable protein), a soy product that works fantastically as a replacement for ground beef. Meat is just a huge trigger for so many folks with IBS, it doesn't hurt to just avoid it completely. I'd use soy or rice milk to replace the dairy, too.
Do you serve this over rice or with bread? It seems almost a bit Russian in flavor - maybe potatoes would be great with it?
My husband adores sweet and sour cabbage, so I am definitely going to make this soup!
Best,
Heather
--------------------
Heather is the Administrator of the IBS Message Boards. She is the author of Eating for IBS and The First Year: IBS, and the CEO of Heather's Tummy Care. Join her IBS Newsletter. Meet Heather on Facebook!
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
My bad! I forgot so many people with IBS can't eat red meat....definitely, definitely substitute using chicken or TVP...It would even taste great without the meat! If you weren't using meat, then I would serve over rice or bulk it up with potatoes as Heather suggests...
--------------------
Heather
"Quod me Nutrit me Destruit"
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
I actually do not know the origin of the soup, as I received it thru email....however, one of the reasons I like it is that it tastes alot like the soups that my boyfriend's mom makes (They are Cambodian, and they literally live off soup)....The only difference is her soups use alot more Asian ingredients (I have fallen in love with fish sauce and oyster sauce in my cooking). There are only a couple of her recipes that my boyfriend and I have successfully duplicated...one is a wonderful pineapple tomato soup with cabbage and chicken, and the other is a very simple rice noodle dish with oyster sauce and chicken. If anyone is interested in either of these recipes, let me know. 
--------------------
Heather
"Quod me Nutrit me Destruit"
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Hi there, i'd love the recipe for rice noodle dish with oyster sauce,have you got some recipes that are low fat,i need to loose weight.Prior to knowing that my problems were
ibs i cooked chinese dishes a lot,i really love that food but am a little afraid to mess things up now that i am doing so well on soluable food,i wonder can i make these dishes soluable.Very much appreciated for the info and thank you.
Tina.
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Tina -Heather has a lot of Asian/Oriental recipes in her cookbook. I've tried a few and they're great. Do you have her book? If not, better buy one. All the recipes are figured out for you with calories, fat, etc., and all are IBS safe. How much easier can they get?
Sharon
--------------------
Sharon
"Anything Chocolate"...that is all!
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Thank's again Sharon,I will be sending for the book next week.A friend of a friend came accross Heather's site and sent for the IBS book,she loaned it to me and this is how i started to change to soluable food and what a difference it has made,i am ibs(c).I can't wait to get the cook book but i know we don't have the same food products here in Ireland but i don't think that will be a problem as the help is here when substitute is needed.Thanks a mill.
Tina.
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
It sounds delicious and I love cabbage and miss it so much. But when I eat it now, it destroys my stomach. Are you sure this doesn't bother your stomach, because I miss my cabbage and would love to try this. Also , is there alot of fiber in cabbage??? 
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
That will really minimize both the sulfur and the effects of the insoluble fiber. When veggies are cooked till they're super tender, they tend to be very well-tolerated. I'd also serve this soup over white rice, or pasta, or with big slices of white bread so you get a good soluble fiber base.
I actually really prefer cabbage to lettuce because I can cook it, and then it doesn't bother me. Lettuce I'd have to eat raw, and that is just so much more difficult...
Best,
Heather
--------------------
Heather is the Administrator of the IBS Message Boards. She is the author of Eating for IBS and The First Year: IBS, and the CEO of Heather's Tummy Care. Join her IBS Newsletter. Meet Heather on Facebook!
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
This soup definitely doesnt hurt my tummy...I make sure and let it simmer for a long time...Just like Heather said, cooking the cabbage, or any veggies for that matter for a long time should help make them more tolerable, as it tends to break down the insoluble fiber and make it easier to digest. I love cabbage too...and I find that soup is pretty much the only way I can tolerate it. I definitely cannot handle it raw - any lettuce or green leafy vegetable raw really tears me up. I have pretty much had to cut out lettuce from my diet entirely... even when I eat it at the end of a meal with plenty of soluble fiber, I get heavy gas (which I guess is better than the nono-stop cramping and diarrhea that would ensue if I ate it at the beginning)...but still, it's pretty intolerable.
Hope you like the soup...
chemegurrl
--------------------
Heather
"Quod me Nutrit me Destruit"
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
can I have a copy of the chicken with oyster sauce too!!!
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Cheme...I have all the ingredients ready for tomorrow. I'm using ground turkey instead of beef but the rest will be the same. Is this soup or stew? Anyway, my mom used to make Sweet and sour rolled cabbage (stuffed with ground beef) and it was everybody's favorite. I['m hoping this is similar in flavor. I takes so long to make the stuffed cabbage the way she used to, so maybe this'll take its place. I'm hoping. I'll let you know how it turns out. Can't wait! 
Sharon
--------------------
Sharon
"Anything Chocolate"...that is all!
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Cheme...I made the soup this morning. I added about 1/2 c more brown sugar because it reminded me more of my Mom's recipe that way and I can't smell and so my taste is quite off and I prefer stronger sweet/sour flavors. It was great. I cooked the bejeebies out of the cabbage and had a taste at lunch...one turkeyball and cabbage and juice and no gas. What a treat! Will serve it over white rice tonight for dinner.
Thanks for the recipe. It's much easier to make than the meat inside cabbage leaves.
Sharon
--------------------
Sharon
"Anything Chocolate"...that is all!
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Trish - I substituted ground turkey (lean) for the ground beef and it turned out great. The whole dish was great (I added extra sugar so that it reminded me on what my Mom used to make). My husband loved it too.
Sharon
--------------------
Sharon
"Anything Chocolate"...that is all!
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Chemegurrl - this is one of the greatest recipes ever! I had it made by 8:am this morning and had the rest of the day to do whatever because dinner was done. When I came home around 3 pm I turned it on again, adjusted the sweetness and let it cook for about 2 hrs. I had 1.22 lb of very lean ground turkey and it made 49 meatballs (about 1.25" dia). Now i have enough to have tonight for dinner and freeze the rest for some other time.
Thanks again. BTW, where've you been? Haven't seen any posts from you. Been busy at school?
Sharon
--------------------
Sharon
"Anything Chocolate"...that is all!
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Hi Sharon! I am currently in my senior semester of chemical engineering...tough stuff! So ya, I haven't had nearly as much time to check the boards as I would like....plus I never get to cook! It's not fair! But anyhow, I'm so glad you liked the soup/stew (its more of a stew, but I usually add more liquid to make it more soupy...personal preference!!)...and after reading your message, I'm totally going to make this with turkey...I love ground turkey. When you made it early in the day, did you just let it sit in the pot? That would definitely be a time-saver to prepare ahead of time.
Sorry for the VERY delayed response.
-chemegurrl
--------------------
Heather
"Quod me Nutrit me Destruit"
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Chemegurrl - Yep, I made it in the morning because that's when I have most of my energy and I let it cool in the pot on the stove and then reheated it again around 4:30 pm and so it was hot for dinner. I made so much that I ended up putting half in the freezer for another time--and that time is getting near...I can feel it! Thanks, again, for the great recipe.
The turkey works out great. I think I made around 49 balls the last time. It seems that the grocery store likes to put about 1.17 lbs of meat in each pkg. I couldn't find one with less than 16 oz. So I just made a lot.
Geez, chemical engineering. That's beyond me. What does a chemical engineer do?
Sharon
--------------------
Sharon
"Anything Chocolate"...that is all!
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Hey Sharon--
Thanks, next time I make it, I'm going to use turkey for sure. I too find that meat in the supermarket comes in pretty large quantities, I guess you could always try splitting it in half and freezing the rest.... but if you're happy with 49 balls, then I'm happy!
So a chemical engineer is probably the most multifaceted of all engineers...can do anything from designing a chemical plant (blech, I am in the middle of designing an ethanol plant using landfill trash as a starting product...) to designing better materials for things like artificial organs (theres always a need for more natural materials that your body won't attack or possibly reject) to cleaning up water, pollution, etc. They can work in the food industry (think M&Ms, all the different colors in huge batch reactors), in the pharmaceutical idustry, or they can go on to become doctors, lawyers....
Hmm, to tell you the truth, though currently I haven't a clue what I want to do. Since I live in AZ, the normal track for chemEs with bachelors is to work at Intel or Motorola (did you know Phoenix is considered silicon desert?? Interesting tid bit I worked at Intel for one summer, and boy did my IBS flare! Too much stress, too long of work hours, and not to mention, i really dont see how helping to make computer chips run faster fits into the bigger picture (don't get me wrong, I LOVE my computer...)
Lately I've become really stressed (more so than usual, especially since I graduate soon) trying to figure out if all the hard work is worth it, and if I'll find a job I truly love, yadda yadda.... I just hope that somewhere I find something I truly enjoy that makes a difference. Who knows, I might end up being one of the few people with doctorates in chemical engineering teaching high school chemistry. LOL!
Thanks for your inquiry...
-Chemegurrl
--------------------
Heather
"Quod me Nutrit me Destruit"
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
I was just wondering about your soup recipe that you had posted and I only saw it when Mags2003 put all the recipes together. It looks so Good!! It says 14 1/2 oz canned whole tomatoes is that 14 of them. I know this may be a really stupid question or how many cans of Tomatoes.
Georgette
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Hey Georgette! I'm pretty sure it should be 1 can size 14 1/2 oz.
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Thanks Mags I'll give it a try. It looks so good.
Georgette
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Hi Georgette! Mags is right, it means one 14 1/12 oz can of tomatoes -- which seems to be a pretty standard size in our supermarkets. Make sure and use organic if you can --- especially when it comes to canned tomatoes, though anything tastes great in this recipe. I have yet to use real tomatoes, though I'm sure that would be marvelous!
--------------------
Heather
"Quod me Nutrit me Destruit"
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Hi chemegurrl
Do you know if Organic Tomatoes are acidic free? I just found out that I can't have Acidic fruits and No Tomatoes. If you could let me know that would be great then I can make your soup.
Georgette
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Hi there - it won't make a difference if the tomatoes are organic or not. Raw tomatoes are actually not very acidic at all - but cooked tomatoes are! So you wouldn't want to use tomatoes in a soup if you can't tolerate the acidity of cooked tomatoes.
- Heather
--------------------
Heather is the Administrator of the IBS Message Boards. She is the author of Eating for IBS and The First Year: IBS, and the CEO of Heather's Tummy Care. Join her IBS Newsletter. Meet Heather on Facebook!
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Georgette -- if you can't handle tomatoes, you can always eliminate them (the flavor wont be quite the same, but the soup/stew is still very flavorful). You could try adding potatoes, or some other soluble staple if you wanted instead....
If you decide to make it let me know how it turns out! I just made a batch yesterday (all this talk put in me in the mood for some Plus its rainy and cold here, so it warmed me up. Mmmm.
--------------------
Heather
"Quod me Nutrit me Destruit"
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
This e-mail reminded me of a conversation I had sometime ago with my GI doc when he first diagnosed me with IBS. I told him I couldn't possibly have IBS because I eat a lot of salads and they don't bother me. He said, "A lot of IBS patients not only tolerate salad greens well, but need it in their diet, and you're obviously one of them!" Heather, was he pulling my leg? Or should I change doctors? Bev.
--------------------
<img src="http://home.comcast.net/~letsrow/smily3481.gif">Bevvy
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
FANTASTIC SOUP!!!
#33711 - 12/26/03 07:40 AM
|
|
|
|
Bevvy
Reged: 11/04/03
Posts: 5918
Loc: Northwest Washington State
|
|
|
Steather, this is EXCELLENT soup! I made it yesterday for our Christmas dinner -- it's all we had -- and my hubby RAVED about it! Don and I both love good soup, and this goes at the top of our list. I used my own chicken stock and ground turkey, and I browned the turkey balls first in a little olive oil. Do you add the raw meatballs to the soup without browning them a little first? I've never done that before -- does it cook it thoroughly enough?
Anyway, thanks for a terrific Christmas dinner! My hubby said for me to add this recipe to my Lentil Soup recipe; they're his faves.
Bev
--------------------
<img src="http://home.comcast.net/~letsrow/smily3481.gif">Bevvy
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Wow, Christmas dinner, that sure is special!(Actually, that sounds better than the dry turkey I had for dinner  ) I'm glad you enjoyed the soup! I have never browned the meatballs first, and they turned out fine, but your method sounds even nummier! So I'm going to try it that way next...
I love how recipes on the board keep evolving
--------------------
Heather
"Quod me Nutrit me Destruit"
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
YOU BET! That's what I used -- ground turkey and soy milk. Steather says she just drops the "meat"balls in the soup, raw, whereas I browned them in a non-stick pan first. I think it's probably better if you don't brown them first because they come out hard. Actually, the "meat"balls are so good by themselves, last night I raided the ice box by picking a few of them out of the soup and microwaved them. YUM!
The soup is incredible -- today, when Don said he wanted more for dinner again tonight, admitted he actually likes it better than my infamous lentil soup! WOW!
And the best part is, I'm getting all that great insoluble fiber WITHOUT THE CRAMPS!!! It's tummy-happy food.
ENJOY!
Bev
--------------------
<img src="http://home.comcast.net/~letsrow/smily3481.gif">Bevvy
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Heather, is there a way to go back and edit the original post, and include the IBS friendly substitutions? (Of course, I would never imagine posting a recipe without making it IBS friendly first now, but that was back in my "EFI ignorant" days )
Of course, one only has to read the follow up posts to know that turkey should be used for the meatballs and water or soy milk for the milk....But it would just help folks out if the original recipe was edited
--------------------
Heather
"Quod me Nutrit me Destruit"
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
That's the part I worry about most Bev. Do you ever eat salads, and if so how to they sit in your gut? I've not been brave enough to try any insolubles sice starting this diet.
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Joanmarie,
I can't eat salads at all, without diarrhea and severe cramps -- raw lettuce or greens of any kind are one of my biggest triggers. But apparently letting the cabbage cook long enough in the stew breaks down the insoluble fiber enough to make it tummy friendly...at least for me. I hope you are able to try the soup and enjoy it too!
--------------------
Heather
"Quod me Nutrit me Destruit"
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Do you have any other ways you are able to eat insolubles?
Thanks for the great recipe and great advice.
Joan
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
JoanMarie, I understand PERFECTLY! I have been SOOO much better since I cut out all insoluble fiber from my diet. I used to love salad bars, but every time I left Izzie's after only one small serving, I barely made it back home in time -- I was doubled over with pain and had to run to the bathroom, where the attack began -- for the rest of the night!
But I have to add back the insoluble fiber. We have to have it. No, I can't eat broccoli or cabbage or salad. Cooking it in soup is the ONLY answer for me. The broccoli leek soup in here and this cabbage soup do NOT bother my tummy AT ALL! In fact, I have a happy tummy after eating either. The broccoli is cooked and pulverized in the soup 'till you barely recognize it -- very easy to digest! And the cabbage in this recipe is chopped into little tiny pieces and cooked and COOKED; it's also easy to digest. AND -- here's a real plus -- I think it was even better tasting tonight than it was last night. The only thing about this soup is that I don't know how well it would freeze. It makes a lot -- but so far my hubby is eating it so fast I won't have any to freeze!
Try it -- you'll like it! And I think your tummy will too. Eat some soluble fiber first, like some crusty French baguette bread, then have a little more that you can dunk in the soup. Oooh, I'm starting to drool!
Bev
--------------------
<img src="http://home.comcast.net/~letsrow/smily3481.gif">Bevvy
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Thanks Bev.
I'm not much of a soup eater, but I'm going to the store today and will give them a try. My daughter loves soup so that should help with the volume.
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
--------------------
Heather is the Administrator of the IBS Message Boards. She is the author of Eating for IBS and The First Year: IBS, and the CEO of Heather's Tummy Care. Join her IBS Newsletter. Meet Heather on Facebook!
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
In general, cooking insoluble fiber foods will help a lot. So will diceing, chopping, or pureeing them. You can make fresh fruit smoothies, veggie pasta sauces, bean dips, that type of thing. And always have with soluble fiber - that will greatly help too.
- Heather
--------------------
Heather is the Administrator of the IBS Message Boards. She is the author of Eating for IBS and The First Year: IBS, and the CEO of Heather's Tummy Care. Join her IBS Newsletter. Meet Heather on Facebook!
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Any ones in particular that you recommend? I made the cabbage soup and the broccioli soup, but aren't these foods that tend to create a lot of gas?
Joan
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
--------------------
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." ~ Groucho Marx
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Cooking sulfur-containing vegetables (like cabbage, broccoli, onions) turns the sulfur to gas and it cooks off. Cooking also really breaks down the insoluble fiber and makes that much more tolerable.
- Heather
--------------------
Heather is the Administrator of the IBS Message Boards. She is the author of Eating for IBS and The First Year: IBS, and the CEO of Heather's Tummy Care. Join her IBS Newsletter. Meet Heather on Facebook!
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
--------------------
Formerly known as Ruchie
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
Cabbage Juice
#34258 - 12/29/03 03:21 PM
|
|
|
|
|
Bevvy
Reged: 11/04/03
Posts: 5918
Loc: Northwest Washington State
|
|
|
EW.
--------------------
<img src="http://home.comcast.net/~letsrow/smily3481.gif">Bevvy
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Bev,broccole & cabbage? if you cook it in soup doesn,t give you gas.I,m just starting to mix insoluble with my food.so I,m really afraid what will happen.but I have to have something beside fish,chicken,rice.I,m getting awful week.
Gerry10.
--------------------
Neta G.Yale
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Heather said, "Cooking sulfur-containing vegetables (like cabbage, broccoli, onions) turns the sulfur to gas and it cooks off. Cooking also really breaks down the insoluble fiber and makes that much more tolerable."
The cabbage soup AND the broccoli leek soup did not give me gas -- but I wouldn't dare go near broccoli or cabbage any other way than soup. Broccoli tears my stomach up something fierce! However, I've had that cabbage soup now for 5 nights in a row (my hubby keeps asking for it!), and I gotta confess I'm getting a little tired of it! No gas, no cramps, no pain, so I should be a happy camper -- but PUL-LEEZE! I'm like you and all that chicken and rice -- isn't there something besides cabbage soup?!?
--------------------
<img src="http://home.comcast.net/~letsrow/smily3481.gif">Bevvy
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Geez Bev, that's alot of cabbage soup! Does your hubby really like it that much? Wow!! I don't think I could eat anything for 5 nights in a row and be a happy camper! You must love your hubby an awful lot 
Let us know when you get some variety into your dinner routine...especially if it doesnt involve cabbage or broccoli!!
--------------------
Heather
"Quod me Nutrit me Destruit"
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
|
|
Steather, you're so cute. Yes, he DOES like that soup that much! I like it too, but get real! FIVE NIGHTS?!? There's still a little left over, but I'm gonna hide it in the frig so he can't see it. I need a break! I went down to the health food store yesterday and bought some more of my fave -- soy cheese pizza -- and I'm gonna eat the WHOLE thing! He can have the leftover soup tonight, I'm eatin' PIZZA, Girlfriend!
--------------------
<img src="http://home.comcast.net/~letsrow/smily3481.gif">Bevvy
Print
Remind Me
Notify Moderator
|
Posts
