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combo of EFI and fodmaps , re post capricorn1943
      #364199 - 04/08/11 09:02 PM
CellSalts_Work

Reged: 08/15/10
Posts: 225


for capricorn 1943 or others who may be interested, here is my diet. as for my email address, it's been on this board before and I was not spammed, happy to forward a very general/summary pdf file on hypnosis to anyone interested

SUSIE'S DIET:
carbs:
-potatoes, white rice - as much as I want, although shouldn't be too much at any one time because of the high glycemic index and the concomitant slump in concentration
-oatmeal - as much as I want, although does cause bloating
-white bread, pasta, cous cous - as much as I want, but too much causes bloating. you are advised to restrict fructan intake to the equivalent of two thin slices of bread if you have problems with fructans but not overly sensitive to them, depends on the individual
-sometimes gluten free corn flakes - http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/asda-compare-prices/Breakfast_Cereals/Doves_Farm_Organic_Gluten_Free_Cornflakes_375g.html
- rarely quinoa - with bit of SF


veggies (always soft and well cooked):
-carrots - as much as I want
-courgette, aka zucchini - with bit of SF
-tomato puree - as much as I want
- rarely parsnips, swedes, pumpkins, sweet potato - with a bit of SF
- occasionally: spinach, green beans, beansprouts(low fat, low fibre variety only) (latter two with beano which helps with the bloating)- limited amount and always with enough SF , ie look up fibre content , then eat with just as much SF supplement


fruits:
-bananas - no brown spots, yellow, green - sometimes I do eat as many as 2 per day, although does cause me bloating
-orange juice -smooth ie no IF, at least 250ml per day
-pomegranate juice - I live in the UK: http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/tesco-price-comparison/Longlife_Fruit_Juice/Pomegreat_Pomegranate_And_Blueberry_Juice_Drink_1L.html at least 100 ml per day

protein:
-chicken breast,
-white fish: cod/haddock,
-on occasion salmon - not too much cos high in fat
-shrimps

fats - very careful about amount, no more than 25% of calories per meal should come from fat:
-olive oil for cooking
-sesame seed/walnut/flaxseed oil for garnishing after meal is cooked as volatile oils
-non dairy spread -
http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/tesco-price-comparison/Butter_Margarine_And_Spreads/Pure_Dairy_Free_Spread_with_Sunflower_500g.html


spices:
-cinnamon
-basil
-black pepper
-curry powder
and others
(these are all IF though)

also
-rice milk,
-oatmilk with little SF
-peppermint/rooibos/fruit tea


I take Benefiber (UK variety is inulin free) for SF when is relevant (ie with spinach e.g.), usually no more than 3 g per day, which is two teaspoonfuls with relevant meal.
when i wrote 'with little SF' I meant not necessarily that, but cooled white rice/potatoes/pasta, which has more SF on account of the resistant starch that forms on it

it probably also matters how much IF you have per meal even with SF, ie overall IF content should be not too much either

I am also taking
-a vitamin B complex supplement - with a little food
-flaxseed oil tablets which has vitamin E in it - with food
-zinc -with food
-iron - with orange juice
-calcium and vitamin D- with evening meal
(I take these at separate times during the day, usually with at least 2 hours between them)

so once again general rules for me, ie gist of it was:
-no alcohol/caffeine
-no dairy (I was diagnosed as severely lactose intolerant),
-fat content of meals restricted to 20-25 per cent of calories per meal - too much fat causes me really horribly painful spasms and irregularity
-IF very limited and only with SF, too much IF on its own causes me D and a little pain
-the FODMAP approach simultaneously

if I eat like this, I have no pain at all, no D or no C, ie 1 or 2 easily passable BM per day, bloating is OK, more with bananas, oatmeal and fructans, but even with those not that bad

I no longer take the cell salts/homeopathy, cos it has lactose in it, not sure whether it really works after all, never did proper scientific trials

hope this helps.

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Susie, born in 1985,
(pseudo-)D and bloating April 2007-December 2010, now stable



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Thanks -nt new
      #364200 - 04/09/11 04:11 AM
capricorn1942

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Re: Thanks -nt new
      #364208 - 04/09/11 01:09 PM
hudlander

Reged: 09/26/10
Posts: 198


1) How much has this helped?

2) You ARE able to tolerate Fish/Flax seed oil capsules (even though fat content is high)?

3) Why does it matter if spices are high in IF? Those are powdered spices which are blended in with protein and are SO small, you would think the IF would be inconsequential.

4) Garlic/onions...no?

5) Squash/yellow zucchini?

6) Any corn products?

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Re: Thanks -nt new
      #364210 - 04/09/11 01:14 PM
hudlander

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Also....how much bread/wheat/gluten do you eat a day?

Like do you have JUST two slices of bread a day...or is that two slices of bread is ok PER MEAL?
I don't have a fructose malabsorbtion so have been wondering.

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Re: Thanks -nt new
      #364221 - 04/10/11 10:42 AM
CellSalts_Work

Reged: 08/15/10
Posts: 225


It is meant to be two slices of bread per day. I usually eat a lot more. It only causes me bloating.

1) I told you, eating like this I have no pain or D or C, only varied amount of bloating.

2) I always take it with a meal and it's probably 1g ie 10 kcal of fat, easy to eat a lot more carbs and protein with it.

3) I eat spices all the time, Syl told me that it's still IF. Syl's diet is a lot less lenient on IF than mine.

4) I sometimes cook with garlic for the taste, usually remove it before eating. I have had onions, but only rarely, as am not a huge fan. They are IF, but not too much and I guess not too much means it's OK since they are listed in the fructan column and if I can eat bread then surely other fructans are meant to be OK too.

5) squash rarely, but well cooked then and with little IF. a rule of thumb is meant to be that the more mushy veggies are , the safer they are. usually. (apparently). I have zucchini on a regular basis.

6) corn flakes, that gluten free variety sometimes whose link I posted, esp as that contains minimal amount of fibre.

well cooked maize, like corn on the cob, sometimes, but that has IF in it, so only with enough SF

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Susie, born in 1985,
(pseudo-)D and bloating April 2007-December 2010, now stable



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Re: Thanks -nt new
      #364222 - 04/10/11 10:49 AM
Syl

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Posts: 5499
Loc: SK, CANADA

Regarding wheat products. The recommendation is to have leass than > 0.2 g of fructans per serve. Wheat has 1-4% fructans. An average slice of bread contains between 0.3 and 1.2 grams. I eat 1 thin slice of bread with a meal that contains no other source of fructans.

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STABLE: ♂, IBS-D 50+ years - Science of IBS

The FODMAP Approach to Managing IBS Symptoms
Evidence-based Dietary Management of Functional GI Symptoms: The FODMAP Approach
FODMAP Chart & Cheatsheet
The Role of Food & Dietary Intervention in IBS

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Re: Thanks -nt *DELETED* new
      #364247 - 04/12/11 02:36 PM
hudlander

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Wow - Naturapanic is on a rant today -nt- new
      #364255 - 04/12/11 03:11 PM
Syl

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STABLE: ♂, IBS-D 50+ years - Science of IBS

The FODMAP Approach to Managing IBS Symptoms
Evidence-based Dietary Management of Functional GI Symptoms: The FODMAP Approach
FODMAP Chart & Cheatsheet
The Role of Food & Dietary Intervention in IBS

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hudlander/a.k.a. naturopanic new
      #364256 - 04/12/11 03:26 PM
Gerikat

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Posts: 1285


You know, this is a bit of a ridiculous post. Syl, being knowledgeable, only tries to share what works for him, as we all do. Take what you want and leave the rest.

Some of us, me being one, do make many things from scratch, and it is NOT because I am afraid of Kraft foods, nor because I think you are lazy. It's because of the crap that many manufacturers put in their product. I want to be the healthiest I can possible be, so I take the time and effort to make that happen.

You seem to want the quick and easy way out. The sooner you come to terms with IBS and what it takes to get well and stay well, the better off you will be.

Ranting at Syl is not going to help you!

And by the way, what the heck is a "hypocondrate"?

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Re: hudlander/a.k.a. naturopanic
      #364257 - 04/12/11 03:43 PM
hudlander

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Posts: 198


What exactly do manufacturers put in their food which is so offensive?

You know I have thoroughly read Heather's books.
NEVER once did Heather lead me to believe that I would have to make my own oatmeal/cereal/bread/chicken broth.

NEVER!
Her book states in fact that having IBS does not mean you can never eat out again.
She provides a sample 3 day diet for people who HATE TO COOK.

She never, NEVER, ever, leaves me to believe that I have to avoid 'commercial food.'
All she and FODMAPS did was give a list of troublesome ingredients, leaving the impression if food does not have 'x' (say dairy) it is safe.

I'd LOVE for you to tell my your tummy can't handle non-dairy, non-gluten bread or cereal?

I have sacrificied and come to terms with IBS, which is why I followed EFI and FODMAPS, so don't you dare, don't YOU dare belittle me with your condescending attitude.
Oh don't you dare!

I am not a hypocondrate who revolves his 24/7 life around making me own food like a pre-historic hunter-gatherer for fear that KRAFT foods is evil.

If you can't eat chicken broth/cereal/store made bread...simply put...you are being overly protective and paranoid.
There is nothing wrong with buying food from the grocery, that is what GOD intended. If your stomach is so weak and wussy that you can't, then maybe that is natural selection or nature's way of saying you were not long for Earth.

Good god.
I'll believe and validate your worldly views the second you tell me what is so wrong with:
-Chicken broth/cereal/bread/juice

It's one thing to make your own dinner.
Another to make all your ingredients.
Good lord.

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