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Re: falling off the vegan wagon
      11/22/08 10:57 AM
dragonfly

Reged: 05/12/08
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Loc: canada

Actually I have read some of his literature.

While I may agree with some of the things he has to say I would gladly take you to my parents farm where he raises 40 head of cattle .They are pasture fed all summer and fed hay in the winter as well as corn fed.Their corn is limited and their hay is always full.They are never injected with steroids or chemicals unless one falls sick .I think you would agree that to give a cow antibiotics or medicine when sick is the humane thing to do.

Knowing where your beef comes from or your vegetables is the key here. We know our beef is safe to eat.We know our beef is taken care of.Even though we do not hold a certificate claiming organic, we know our animals have been taking care of.

Mr Robbins states that no matter if you buy organic or lot cattle, they are all taken to slaughter houses that "skin the animals alive and have their feet cut off while still breathing" I would gladly take you to our local slaughter house and you would find a clean environment and a abattoir that does none of those things.


Mr Robbins is a man that has many interesting ideas however when he goes searching for his information, he is doing so without the benefit of an open mind.He already knows he doesn't approve of eating meat.That is a personal choice for anyone but I have a problem with the people who say ALL farmers do this or that ALL slaughter house do that.

There are those farmers who yes do NOT treat their animals well who find no issue with raising their pigs in crates or chickens in cages and NO I do NOT agree with them.I believe animals should be treated properly and have the best living conditions possible.My dad knows all his cattle by name and they all have unique personalities.

We still choose to eat beef.

Our home grown beef tastes ten thousand times better than store bought.

We live in the middle of farm country and all around us are farmers who makes good choices and some who do not.It is unfair to lump them all in the same category.That would be like saying all politicians are liars...no wait they all are.

No that would be like saying all teachers are bad at teaching.Some are some aren't.It takes education on both sides to get the whole picture and if going into something with an opinion already made,you will never be able to make the right decision.

I do agree that as a society we all eat too much meat. Obesity is certainly on the rise and I feel that is do to less home made meals and vast quantities of meat.

I do not however blame all the farmers for the deplorable conditions found in some barns nor do I feel eliminating meat from ones diet will solve all the problems either.

Vegan, Vegetarian or not is a personal choice but shouldn't be made by using the information of only one man who clearly does not eat meat.

Besides all that we will go to the garden pull a carrot, skin it chop it into pieces and throw it into boiling water while it's still alive. How cruel is that?



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Little Minnie
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